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oh fck !!!

cant believe this !! seems that all atheists are becoming more and more interested in this forum !!!

seems that we have to do it our way , if u know what i mean !



and p.s :

you are disgustingly racist !!! as an azeri iranian azeri i love my country much more than u do .

i love iran so much that i will give my breath for it every second if needed . you are just a racist wannabe iranian

So if you love Iran so much then convert, prove your loyalty. Btw, youre not an ethnic Persian to tell me how we think.

the whole nationalism is a racism Idea.
in a multi race country like Iran, nationalist = separatist
If I was a non Persian minority I would totally say what you just wrote. Btw, nationalism Is needed in all society, healthy societies, hence why all Iranians are leaving your shiasm and embracing nationalism.
 
If you have stupid leaders, then yes. Otherwise thats like saying feeding, taking care of, and putting your family first instead of the neighbors brings the demise of your own family.

Furthermore,, nothing I stated up there is extreme. There are nations who uphold these laws, and they are doing fine and well, like saudi arabia for example, whether you think theyre barbaric is another issue. They are doing fine and putting their people first, thats all that counts at the end of the day.


Yea, come back and tell me that when you can pay salaries to your own government workers, lol. None of the ones you mentioned are nationalist, either islamo communists or seperatists.

America doesnt even fund the nationalist groups, at all. They diff want a liberal governmrnt that pushes westernization and americanization in power.
Okay,I will ask you some questions and respond to individual points from your original post.
1.Do you have any existing nationalist leader who is good enough for the job?
2.You cannot convert one ethnicity to another ethnicity.Ethnic groups usually have different agendas depending on the place they live and their economic needs....it is really difficult to bring them under one banner if not impossible....are there any ethnic minorities in Iran who would want to sacrifice their identity and call themselves Persian?And regarding Turks and Arabs...they did not convert from one ethnicity to another...the merged through intermarriages and social mixing.....and it usually takes a long time to do that.I don't think you would want to wait a thousand years to take control of your country.
3.Good luck with shutting down your border and throw all the foreigners out in the age of globalization and not become North Korea....isolationism is neither helpful for trade nor is it for security...as it is difficult for isolationist countries to make allies.
4 and 5.You could try that.
6.You can change your name....But I live in the West(back home for a visit)....people do not know Persia(except for the rug and the cat)...the know I-ran....Iranians in the west call themselves Persian but do not say they are from Persia....they say they are from Iran.
7.That is probably the worst thing you can do...creating a political militia usually never helps in maintaining popularity....We had a national socialist government in our country....they did the same thing and it was a contributing factor for their demise.
8.Good point.
9.It is almost impossible to guide languages back to their roots.It is not easy to change the way millions of people write and speak a language.Language cannot be changed by force.It changes naturally.
10 and 11.You can try that.But again each country and each group has their own agendas....they may not align with you agenda.
12.I do not know which countries you are talking about....but if people want to go they'll go....there's not much you can do to stop them....
13.It is also really difficult....since successful and rich Iranians in the west or other countries become rich and successful using their host countries resources not Iranian resources....unless Iran can provide them with those resources there is no reason to think that they will be rich and successful in Iran...and if they do not have the guarantee of such resources in Iran they won't come!
14.Good plan...but then again you cannot be isolationist and do business with everyone at the same time.
15.Good action plan...not aggressive.

And most importantly I did not find(or missed it) any mention of how you plan to come to power??Is your party democratic??Do you plan to uphold democracy once you go to power??Or are you planning to use you Imperial guards against your opposition??
 
please remove your avatar .

you are an insult to his cause .

cyrus the great was great . you are racist . you'll be banned
 
Lol, height of foolishness.
Minority contributes to a society when you give them EQUAL rights and respect their sentiments.
Secularism is the way to go.
 
[quotim="Anubis, post: 5079863, member: 144014"]Okay,I will ask you some questions and respond to individual points from your original post.
1.Do you have any existing nationalist leader who is good enough for the job?
2.You cannot convert one ethnicity to another ethnicity.Ethnic groups usually have different agendas depending on the place they live and their economic needs....it is really difficult to bring them under one banner if not impossible....are there any ethnic minorities in Iran who would want to sacrifice their identity and call themselves Persian?And regarding Turks and Arabs...they did not convert from one ethnicity to another...the merged through intermarriages and social mixing.....and it usually takes a long time to do that.I don't think you would want to wait a thousand years to take control of your country.
3.Good luck with shutting down your border and throw all the foreigners out in the age of globalization and not become North Korea....isolationism is neither helpful for trade nor is it for security...as it is difficult for isolationist countries to make allies.
4 and 5.You could try that.
6.You can change your name....But I live in the West(back home for a visit)....people do not know Persia(except for the rug and the cat)...the know I-ran....Iranians in the west call themselves Persian but do not say they are from Persia....they say they are from Iran.
7.That is probably the worst thing you can do...creating a political militia usually never helps in maintaining popularity....We had a national socialist government in our country....they did the same thing and it was a contributing factor for their demise.
8.Good point.
9.It is almost impossible to guide languages back to their roots.It is not easy to change the way millions of people write and speak a language.Language cannot be changed by force.It changes naturally.
10 and 11.You can try that.But again each country and each group has their own agendas....they may not align with you agenda.
12.I do not know which countries you are talking about....but if people want to go they'll go....there's not much you can do to stop them....
13.It is also really difficult....since successful and rich Iranians in the west or other countries become rich and successful using their host countries resources not Iranian resources....unless Iran can provide them with those resources there is no reason to think that they will be rich and successful in Iran...and if they do not have the guarantee of such resources in Iran they won't come!
14.Good plan...but then again you cannot be isolationist and do business with everyone at the same time.
15.Good action plan...not aggressive.
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And most importantly I did not find(or missed it) any mention of how you plan to come to power??Is your party democratic??Do you plan to uphold democracy once you go to power??Or are you planning to use you Imperial guards against your opposition??[/quote]


Ok, im not really gonna argue with you concerning most of what you wrote as you dont know Iranian society, politics and people like I do. The only thing ill adress is the ethnic convertion thing. The turks and greeks did a population exchange, muslim greeks came to turkey and from then on were known as turks. Turkey still to this day has a policy of ethnic conversion, I know it didnt work out with the kurds due to mistreatment, but it worked with all the other ethnic groups, if they did not have ethnic conversion then turks would probably be 40% of turkey, thats not including all the past conversions over the centuries.

Persification has been going on in Iran for a long time, since the time of the pahlavi dynasty. Most of these ethnic minorities are persified, especially their new youth, who cant even speak their own native tounge cause they dont know it, they practice our holidays, customs, values, eat our food and have Persian names, so yes, if you were to offer them a chance of conversion and unity, most I do believe would take it.

As for arabs, you must be out of your mind if you think a handful of arabs mixed with all of these people in all countries. Arabs in north africa, egypt, iraq, syria, lebanon, palestine etc.. are no doubt minorities. Arabs themselvesmarabized crapload of ethnic Persians in these persian gulf arab states.

Ethnic conversion is an option if the minorities youre targeting are willing.

There are many azeris on this site for example who are persified and consider themselves Persian.
How do you think there are black and asian looking ethnic Persians in bandari abbas and tajikestan/afghanistan?

please remove your avatar .

you are an insult to his cause .

cyrus the great was great . you are racist . you'll be banned
Why are you trying to take pride in cyrus the great if youre not Persian.

keep In mind that Persians have all the land and resources in Iran, we dont need you, you need us.

Lol, height of foolishness.
Minority contributes to a society when you give them EQUAL rights and respect their sentiments.
Secularism is the way to go.
Yea, just like in canda and spain where minorities have all their rghts and still want to seperate (catalona and quebec). India is probably gonna split into ethnic lines as well, pakistan and bangladesh are already gone..
 
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Why are you trying to take pride in cyrus the great if youre not Persian.
keep In mind that Persians have all the land and resources in Iran, we dont need you, you need us.

well , i am not ethnically persian , still i am iranian . i own this country not less than u , maybe even more cause i contribute in unity and construction unlike u racist creature !!

cyrus the great was not racist !! his name is the holy book of muslims . he is not yours !!

idiot
 
well , i am not ethnically persian , still i am iranian . i own this country not less than u , maybe even more cause i contribute in unity and construction unlike u racist creature !!

cyrus the great was not racist !! his name is the holy book of muslims . he is not yours !!

idiot
The holy book of muslims that encourages arabization? That mentions all muslim names are arabic, to read the quran in arabic, that god can only speak arabic, to face mecca (arab city) and dress like an arab? To say words like salam, wallahi, inshallah, muslim etc.. which are all arabic? Hmmm, by your logic then the qurn is racist and so is islam (another arabic word).. so, what is it gonna be? If im a racist then so is your religion and so sre you for practicing it. Makes you think, huh?
 
How do you guys think arabs went from 2 countries before islam to being 22, or how the turks of turkey and azerbeyjan arent asiatic looking like their ancestors? Its cause of ETHNIC CONVERSION! You either get on with the program or lose.

someone ban this idiot !!

@Serpentine @Aeronaut @Jungibaaz
Excuse me, ban me for voicing my opinion? Youre the one insulting me here. All im doing is suggesting.
 
Excuse me, ban me for voicing my opinion? Youre the one insulting me here. All im doing is suggesting.

racism is against forum's law . for u to know i am well aware of the forums laws , hence i never cross the red lines that is racism .

so if the forum moderators read your posts from the start , be sure you'll get at least an infraction .
 
Also, exactly, youre not ethnically Persian therefor you shouldnt try to take credit for our achievments. You dont see me trying to take credit or praise the seljuks, do you? Whenever you start considering yourself a Persian and convert, then you can consider Cyrus as one of your own. Til then, he is my heroe, not yours :p

Im not trying to be mean or what not, just realistic.

racism is against forum's law . for u to know i am well aware of the forums laws , hence i never cross the red lines that is racism .

so if the forum moderators read your posts from the start , be sure you'll get at least an infraction .

And what did I write that was racist? People who have lost the arguement usually throw around racist accusations. The mods can read my whole thread as they wish.

Again, instead of getting mad debate me in a civil manner you racist.
 
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The holy book of muslims that encourages arabization? That mentions all muslim names are arabic, to read the quran in arabic, that god can only speak arabic, to face mecca (arab city) and dress like an arab? To say words like salam, wallahi, inshallah, muslim etc.. which are all arabic? Hmmm, by your logic then the qurn is racist and so is islam (another arabic word).. so, what is it gonna be? If im a racist then so is your religion and so sre you for practicing it. Makes you think, huh?

That is stupid allow me to say. Are you implying that the bible is racist since it was written in Hebrew and the Talmud as we'll because it was reveled in Aramaic?
 
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