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Muslim women cannot object to husbands’ marriages: CII chief

@Syed.Ali.Haider .. what is the case in pakistan... I presume as you follow same british law as us, women and men will have equal worth (wrt testimony).

More fundamental question, is polygamy immoral?
 
@Syed.Ali.Haider .. what is the case in pakistan... I presume as you follow same british law as us, women and men will have equal worth (wrt testimony).

More fundamental question, is polygamy immoral?
yups..............


as for the second thing, it depends in which era u r living

It depends whether it is a criminal, civil or family court. A confused mishmash, overall.
who cares about testimonies nowadyas, they are just formalities, now technology shows us everything
 
No.....I was talking about polygamy
Please don't do that


According to my religion if one can afford more than one wife and can deal just among them then nothing wrong in it :)
 
Imagine the misinformed....

THAT is ONLY in the case of finance...and not EVERY case of FINANCE a certain case ...Please read the Quran before opening your mouth ...Maybe someone more learned than you should answer questions that you are ignorant to:


Dr. Jamal Badawi, professor at Saint Mary's University in Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada, and a cross-appointed faculty member in the Departments of Religious Studies and Management, adds:

Most Qur'anic references to testimony (witness) do not make any reference to gender. Some references fully equate the testimony of males and females.

One reference in the Qur'an distinguishes between the witness of a male and a female. It is useful to quote this reference and explain it in its own context and in the context of other Qur'anic references to testimony:

(O ye who believe! When ye deal with each other, in transactions involving future obligations in a fixed period of time, reduce them to writing. Let a scribe write down faithfully as between the parties: let not the scribe refuse to write: as Allah Has taught him, so let him write. Let him who incurs the liability dictate, but let him fear His Lord Allah, and not diminish aught of what he owes. If they party liable is mentally deficient, or weak, or unable Himself to dictate, let his guardian dictate faithfully, and get two witnesses, out of your own men, and if there are not two men, then a man and two women, such as ye choose, for witnesses, so that if one of them errs, the other can remind her.) (Al-Baqarah 2:282)

A few comments on this text are essential in order to prevent common misinterpretations:

a. It cannot be used as an argument that there is a general rule in the Qur'an that the worth of a female's witness is only half the male's. This presumed "rule" is voided by the above reference (24:6-9), which explicitly equates the testimony of both genders on the issue at hand.

b. The context of this passage (verse, or ayah) relates to testimony on financial transactions, which are often complex and laden with business jargon. The passage does not make blanket generalization that would otherwise contradict 24:6-9, cited above.

c. The reason for variations in the number of male and female witnesses required is given in the same passage. No reference is made to the inferiority or superiority of one gender's witness or the other's. The only reason given is to corroborate the female's witness and prevent unintended errors in the perception of the business deal. The Arabic term used in this passage, tadhilla, literally means "loses the way," "gets confused," or "errs." But are females the only gender that may err and need corroboration of their testimony? Definitely not, and that is why the general rule of testimony in Islamic law is to have two witnesses, even when they are both male.

One possible interpretation of the requirements related to this particular type of testimony is that in numerous societies, past and present, women generally may not be heavily involved with and experienced in business transactions. As such, they may not be completely cognizant of what is involved. Therefore, corroboration of a woman's testimony by another woman who may be present ascertains accuracy and, hence, justice. It would be unreasonable to interpret this requirement as a reflection on the worth of women's testimony, as it is the only exception discerned from the text of the Qur'an. This may be one reason why a great scholar like At-Tabari could not find any evidence from any primary text (Qur'an or hadith) to exclude women from something more important than testimony: being herself a judge who hears and evaluates the testimony of others.

d. It must be added that unlike pure acts of worship, which must be observed exactly as taught by the Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, testimony is a means to an end, ascertaining justice as a major objective of Islamic law. Therefore, it is the duty of a fair judge to be guided by this objective when assessing the worth and credibility of a given testimony, regardless of the gender of the witness. A witness of a female graduate of a business school is certainly far more worthy than the witness of an illiterate person with no business education or experience.




Qur’an 24:6-9, (in the matter of the wife’s suspected infidelity) the testimony of the wife, supersedes that of the husband’s: “And those who accuse their wives and have no witnesses except themselves,let one of them testify four times, bearing Allāh to witness, that he is of those who speak the truth.And the fifth (time) that the curse of Allāh be on him, if he is of those who lie. And it shall avert the chastisement from her, if she testify four times, bearing Allāh to witness, that he is of those who lie.And the fifth (time) that the wrath of Allāh to be on her, if he is of those who speak the truth.”

Maybe one of these days you're going to realize that banging your head against a rock only manages to leave a scar on your forehead while the rock...well it remains the rock that it was !

According to my religion if one can afford more than one wife and can deal just among them then nothing wrong in it :)

According to that same religion; the Koran very explicitly mentions 'And you won't be able to deal justly with them so marry only one' !
 
Yes and no brother....Many "CALL THEMSELVES" religious but usually dont have a single bone related to religion in them....they pretend really well in public....so those are things you need to beware off!


Indeed and this is parents responsibility to check guy's credibility ... If they find something wrong then they should think first for best interest of their daughter .......

Abû Hurayrah relates that the Prophet (peace be upon him) said: "If a suitor approaches whose religion and character please you, then let him marry. Otherwise, there will be a lot of immorality and corruption in the world." [Sunan al-Tirmidhî(1084) – authenticated by al-Albânî]

According to that same religion; the Koran very explicitly mentions 'And you won't be able to deal justly with them so marry only one' !


I too mentioned "deal with just" :)
 
yups..............


as for the second thing, it depends in which era u r living


who cares about testimonies nowadyas, they are just formalities, now technology shows us everything
what do you mean.. whats wrong with polygamy in today's world...
I think people should be able to have sex and have babies with whoever they want... state should not intervene..
marriage is so last century.. :devil:
 
I too mentioned "deal with just"
you CANNOT deal with just, like the Quran says

what do you mean.. whats wrong with polygamy in today's world...
I think people should be able to have sex and have babies with whoever they want... state should not intervene..
marriage is so last century.. :devil:
i hope someone kills all the men on Earth............

Are the results of those tests regard as valid evidence in Pakistani Courts?
they should be, but your CII and other "Tanzeems" still ask for witnesses, i mean where the hell are we going to get witnesses? no one is stupid enough to commit a crime in the middle of the street
 
they should be, but your CII and other "Tanzeems" still ask for witnesses, i mean where the hell are we going to get witnesses? no one is stupid enough to commit a crime in the middle of the street

So these tests are not regarded as valid evidence, and hence useless in court.
 

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