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Jammu: The Pakistani army violated the ceasefire yet again today, targeting several Indian Army posts in Jammu and Kashmir.

According to reports, heavy firing was reported from the Hamirpur, Mendhar and Barasingha sectors of Poonch in Jammu.

Small arms, rockets and mortars are reportedly being fired from Pakistan. The Indian Army is retaliating in equal measure, said officials.

This comes days after the army's encounter at the Keran sector 100 km from Srinagar, the largest in years, comprising a series of gunbattles in which soldiers fought about 30 heavily-armed Pakistanis who crossed over the Line of Control for 14 days.

India has accused the Pakistani army of links to the group. Five Indian soldiers were injured.
Pak violates ceasefire again, several Indian Army posts targeted in J&K | NDTV.com
 
JAMMU: Pakistan troops resorted to heavy shelling at Indian positions in RS Pura sector of the international border in Jammu district late on Monday night.

A senior paramilitary Border Security Force (BSF) officer told IANS that Pakistan troops used 82 millimetre mortars and other heavy weaponry to target their positions in Nikkowal and Abdullian areas of RS Pura sector late on Monday night.

"The firing started at 9.45pm on Monday. We have retaliated strongly to Pakistan's shelling. Firing exchanges continued till early morning on Tuesday in these areas," the officer said.

Union home minister Sushilkumar Shinde is visiting some places along the international border in Jammu region on Tuesday along with Jammu & Kashmir chief minister Omar Abdullah to take stock of the situation.

High tension has gripped residents of border villages as Pakistan rangers have been frequently violating the bilateral ceasefire signed by the two countries in November 2003.

Many villagers close to the Line of Control (LoC) have already left their homes for safer places as they accused Pakistan troops of targeting their homes during trans-border shelling.
Pakistan violates ceasefire yet again - The Times of India
 
Jammu: Pakistani Army today again violated the ceasefire by firing on forward areas along the Line of Control (LoC) in Poonch district, prompting Indian troops to retaliate.

Pakistani troops opened fire with automatic weapons and small arms on forward areas along LoC in Gambhir area in Bhimbher Gali sub-sectors from 0510 hours this morning, Defence Spokesman Col R K Palta said here.

Indian troops guarding the borderline retaliated with equal calibre weapons, triggering exchanges which ended around 0700 hours, he said.


"There was no loss of life or injury to anyone in the firing and shelling by Pakistan", the spokesman said.

Pakistani Rangers had yesterday targeted an Indian border outpost along the IB in Kathua district, drawing retaliation from BSF troops.

There have been nearly 150 ceasefire violations by Pakistani troops along the Indo-Pak border in Jammu and Kashmir this year, the highest in the past 8 years.
http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/pakistan-army-violates-ceasefire-fires-on-forward-areas-438812
 
LET old ammo to be finished off by both sides without injures.
 
Escalating tensions: Top commanders’ meeting put on hold – for now
By Kamran Yousaf
Published: October 30, 2013

ISLAMABAD:
Top military commanders from Pakistan and India were likely to meet this month to de-escalate tensions sparked by weeks of border skirmishes. However, the meeting between directors general military operations (DGMOs) has been put on hold, for now, due to India’s intransigence.


“The meeting is unlikely to be held in the near future due to a disagreement over a framework under which the DGMOs could meet,” a senior foreign ministry official told The Express Tribune on Tuesday.

“Pakistan wants foreign ministry officials to attend the DGMOs meeting – which is apparently not acceptable to the Indian side,” added the official who requested not to be named in the report.

A military official confirmed there was no precedent of face-to-face talks between DGMOs, although senior military officials met in the past as part of talks on defence and security related issues.

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The two countries agreed on a meeting between the DGMOs to lower tensions along the Line of Control (LoC) and the international border during talks between Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif and his Indian counterpart Manmohan Singh at the sidelines of the UN General Assembly last month.

The Indian side had proposed a face-to-face meeting between the DGMOs. The rare meeting was expected to take place by the end of this month or early next month. The DGMOs were mandated by the two prime ministers to work out a plan to restore the 2003 ceasefire agreement along the LoC in the disputed Himalayan state of Kashmir.

Tensions between the two nuclear armed neighbours have escalated since the Sharif-Manmohan talks, with firing incidents also taking place along the working boundary in recent days.

Indian External Affairs Minister Salman Khurshid on Monday voiced his disappointment over the delay in the DGMOs meeting and Pakistan’s Foreign Ministry spokesperson Aizaz Ahmed Chaudhry reiterated that Pakistan wants the New York decision to be implemented on a priority basis. However, sources said chances of the DGMOs meeting were slim as India was not ready to resume the process of dialogue at this stage.

On Tuesday, Press Trust of India quoted unnamed Indian officials suggesting New Delhi put on hold the DGMOs meeting. The decision was taken by the Indian government in view of the advice from its armed forces that Pakistan was not showing interest in such a meeting.

Published in The Express Tribune, October 30th, 2013.

 
New insurgency has been created by indian side behind their hook and crook items...
They want only to busy forces inside Pakistan..:dirol:
 
He said Pakistan desired an independent inquiry into the Aug 6 incident and other incidents along the LoC this year.

“We also lost 11 soldiers last January. It is difficult to hold anyone responsible for firing at LoC at this stage without a thorough probe. It is important to hold on the ceasefire along LoC reached in 2003.”

Pakistan ready to work with Modi: Aziz - DAWN.COM

So 11 Pakistani Soldiers were killed in January 2013 & not 3 as Pakistan Media reported.
The truth is the Ghatak raid on a Pakistani outpost in January killed 8 Soldiers of PA & not 1.

It is well known that Pakistan Army covered up the deaths of 7 soldiers in January 2013 by telling the media that unidentified gunmen abducted 7 Pak Army Soldiers.
Funny thing is that nothing else was heard about it in the media since & no militant group claimed responsibility for any such incident.
 
BBC News - The housewives taking on militants in Kashmir

The bare unpleasant truth behind the LOC flare up, obvious past three years, but pakistani members trained to close their eyes and keep repeating state propaganda have not taken notice.


Tucked away in the northern-most recesses of the insurgency-hit region of Kashmir, a community is fighting a little-known battle to keep Islamist militants at bay. And the charge is led by none other than a band of housewives.

During the last three years, these women have conducted a sustained and vociferous street campaign to shun militants from their native district of Neelum, a river valley located on the northern fringes of Pakistani-administered Kashmir.

This summer has been no less dramatic.

In mid-August, the police stopped a bus-load of these housewives at the main road of Athmuqam town, the headquarters of Neelum district. They led it to the police station and confiscated its registration papers, ordering the driver not to transport his passengers.

The angry women descended from the bus, brushed aside some policemen attempting to stop them, and started to walk on foot to their destination - the nearby army camp, some 6km (4 miles) away along the Line of Control (LoC), a de facto boundary that divides the Kashmir region between India and Pakistan.

Continue reading the main story

Start Quote
When the firing begins, it is us poor people that suffer. This has to stop”
End Quote
Sarwar Jan
They were carrying hand-written placards demanding an end to militant activity in the area which they say provokes Indian firing on their towns and villages.

A crowd of local men had started to gather, and fearing public unrest, the policemen held back, letting the women pass.

I meet one of their leaders, 60-year-old Sarwar Jan, at her house in a village near Athmuqam.

The courtyard where we sit extends into a small patch of farmland where a maize crop has just been harvested. There's an empty cattle shed in one corner.

In front, high on top of the green mountains across the river, I can see a tiny grey spot which she says is an Indian border post.

This entire area seems to be lying open before the Indian guns up there.

"In recent weeks the [Pakistani] army had been telling people to build bunkers, which amounts to telling us that bad times are about to return," she says, explaining the reasons behind the August protest.

"There was also increased visibility of militants in our area. We were afraid that an attempt by them to infiltrate the LoC would invite Indian fire into our area. We had to do something."

Unlike other parts of Pakistani-administered Kashmir, where villagers affected by insurgency can move back from the front line when tensions rise, people in the Neelum valley are trapped by Indian positions on one side and the mountains on the other.

It is this desperate situation that has prompted the women of the valley to take action.

Two incidents that followed the women's protest illustrate the deeper undercurrents of the movement they are leading.

Firstly, on the night following the protest, a group of militants tried to cross the LoC and sparked an armed clash with Indian border guards some distance east of Athmuqam, with locals saying they could hear the firing and the shelling.

The next morning, as well as the women marching to the army camp again, the town's traders also pulled down their shutters and held a protest rally in the centre of the town, which was joined by the lawyers from the district bar council.

"The entire district seemed to be up in arms, which made the government officials nervous," says Khwaja Fayyaz Hussain, a local journalist.

Days later, an attempt by militants to cross the LoC was frustrated by none other than the residents of a small village, Ban Chhattar.

"Some three or four armed men tried to cross the river in a rubber boat at night, but were spotted by a villager who raised the alarm," says Malik Naseer, a resident of Ban Chhattar.

The villagers stoned the boatmen and forced them to turn back. Someone also called the police who arrived half an hour later. The suspects had disappeared by then.

But can the Neelum women, and the society that stands behind them, keep the militants at bay forever?

Fires rekindled

Analysts say the Neelum housewives are only a tiny factor in the wider geo-strategic war games that the Indian and Pakistani militaries have been playing in Kashmir since their independence in 1947.

In 1948, the two neighbours fought the first of their two wars over Kashmir, leading to the division of the region and the establishment of a ceasefire line - now called the LoC. However, both countries still claim the region and there are often clashes across the LoC.

In 1989, separatist groups supported by Pakistan started an armed insurgency in Indian-administered Kashmir which continued until 2003 and claimed more than 50,000 lives, but failed to shake Indian rule there.

Down the years, the insurgency evolved from a nationalistic war of independence by indigenous Kashmiri groups, to a jihad, or holy war, against India, led mainly by outsiders, predominantly militants from Pakistan's Punjab province.

Continue reading the main story

Start Quote
For several years we didn't have a single moment when we could sit out in the open”
End Quote
Khwaja Fayyaz Hussain

local journalist
By the late 1990s, the Kashmiri fighters had become largely disillusioned with the fighting and withdrew from battle, leaving the field open to the Pakistani groups.

A ceasefire was put in place in 2003, and initially the Pakistani military put the Punjabi militant networks under tighter control. But in recent years there has been a build-up of Punjabi militants along the LoC.

"Fires have been rekindled in the kitchens of some abandoned militant camps, and there are more frequent sightings of their vehicles on the roads, especially after dark," says a top official in Athmuqam, requesting anonymity because he is not authorised to speak on matters of national security.

Analysts point out that such militant activity along the LoC has tended to coincide with signs of improvement in India-Pakistan relations.

The recent tension along the LoC dates from January when the Pakistani government was close to granting preferential trading status to India.

The situation worsened after May's elections which were won by Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif, who has publicly supported normalisation and greater trade relations with India.

Analysts feel that elements in Pakistan's powerful military establishment consider the politicians' overtures to India as premature, and that their surrogate militant groups view tension on the LoC as a means to slow down the process of normalisation.

Most recent clashes along the LoC have taken place further to the south, away from the Neelum valley.

This is quite unlike the past when the geographical isolation of the Neelum valley made it the most favoured spot for militants to launch attacks into Indian-administered Kashmir.

For the Neelum people, this isolation meant they found themselves in an information black hole, in which they suffered countless miseries for 14 years without making headlines.

The valley is an arc-shaped narrow strip of land that runs for some 150km (93 miles) in an east-west direction. It is hemmed in by the Himalayan mountains to the north and east, and by the Indian positions to the south.

The majority of its roughly 300,000 inhabitants live in villages and towns along the Neelum River which flows through the length of the valley.

Most of the main population centres are exposed to Indian fire, and they bore the brunt of the insurgency in the 1990s.

Through the decade, houses and government buildings were flattened by Indian shelling, and underground bunkers multiplied. More than 2,000 civilians lost their lives, while nearly 5,000 were injured or maimed.

"For several years we didn't have a single moment when we could sit out in the open without the fear of a mortar shell landing on our heads," says Khwaja Fayyaz Hussain.

"In 1998, the shelling was so intense it forced us to stay permanently in bunkers. I don't recall when the winter ended and the summer began."

Mohammad Khursheed, a pharmacist who runs a medical store in Athmuqam, says the war gave the people arthritis, a disease which he says is normally rare in mountainous regions.

"We have been treating hundreds of arthritis patients in recent years. They got it because they were forced to spend long hours - sometimes up to 18 hours at a stretch - sitting on damp ground inside the bunkers."

Trying to rebuild

The insurgency also brought economic misery.

The only road connecting the valley to the outside world passes through a narrow corridor at its south-western tip.

Shortly after the start of the insurgency, Indian fire brought traffic on this road to a halt, bottling up the valley. It stayed that way for 14 years.

An alternative road built by the Pakistani army over the mountain passes to the north could only be used by all-terrain vehicles, and increased travel time from two hours to over six.

"There were times when people had to pay 20 times the original price for stuff like cooking oil, bread and vegetables shipped in through this road," says Mr Hussain.

While prices soared, local agricultural production fell sharply because constant shelling by the Indians made farming difficult.

The insurgency also kept the children of the valley away from school for 14 long years, "making them strangers to the alphabet", he says.

Since the ceasefire in 2003, people have been picking up the pieces. Many have rebuilt their houses, but many more are still without the means to do that.

And the spectre of militancy has been raising its head again in the valley.

Despite the mounting opposition they face in Neelum, militants managed to cross the LoC in late September from that area and spent two weeks fighting Indian forces on the other side.

The clashes were going on as the two countries' prime ministers met on the sidelines of the UN General Assembly in New York.

There have also been reports, but few details, of numerous militant forays across the LoC to the north-east, near the town of Kel.

Whether or not the people of Neelum valley will succeed in forcing the authorities to eliminate militants permanently is a question only time will answer.

What is clear is that the women of Neelum valley are in the driving seat in the community's fight against the menace, and for good reason.

"As compared to men, they are less likely to be assassinated by militants or painted as spies by the military, as this would create a scandal and fuel more anger in the wider society," says Arif Bahar, a scholar and journalist based in Muzaffarabad.

And they have a powerful voice, shorn of the restraint that the men sometimes have to show.

"We are poor people. We don't give weapons to the militants. It is the army that gives it to them, and gives them the expenses, and orders restaurants to send them naan bread when they are in town," says Sarwar Jan in a firm voice.

"But when the firing begins, it is us poor people that suffer. This has to stop."

Mohammad Khursheed agrees.

"We can't fight India or Pakistan, but we will stop the militants any way we can, even shoot them," he says.

"If we don't do that, they will drag us back to the life of the 1990s, which is not worth living''

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BBC News - The housewives taking on militants in Kashmir

The bare unpleasant truth behind the LOC flare up, obvious past three years, but pakistani members trained to close their eyes and keep repeating state propaganda have not taken notice.

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Tucked away in the northern-most recesses of the insurgency-hit region of Kashmir, a community is fighting a little-known battle to keep Islamist militants at bay. And the charge is led by none other than a band of housewives.

During the last three years, these women have conducted a sustained and vociferous street campaign to shun militants from their native district of Neelum, a river valley located on the northern fringes of Pakistani-administered Kashmir.

This summer has been no less dramatic.

In mid-August, the police stopped a bus-load of these housewives at the main road of Athmuqam town, the headquarters of Neelum district. They led it to the police station and confiscated its registration papers, ordering the driver not to transport his passengers.

The angry women descended from the bus, brushed aside some policemen attempting to stop them, and started to walk on foot to their destination - the nearby army camp, some 6km (4 miles) away along the Line of Control (LoC), a de facto boundary that divides the Kashmir region between India and Pakistan.

Continue reading the main story

Start Quote
When the firing begins, it is us poor people that suffer. This has to stop”
End Quote
Sarwar Jan
They were carrying hand-written placards demanding an end to militant activity in the area which they say provokes Indian firing on their towns and villages.

A crowd of local men had started to gather, and fearing public unrest, the policemen held back, letting the women pass.

I meet one of their leaders, 60-year-old Sarwar Jan, at her house in a village near Athmuqam.

The courtyard where we sit extends into a small patch of farmland where a maize crop has just been harvested. There's an empty cattle shed in one corner.

In front, high on top of the green mountains across the river, I can see a tiny grey spot which she says is an Indian border post.

This entire area seems to be lying open before the Indian guns up there.

"In recent weeks the [Pakistani] army had been telling people to build bunkers, which amounts to telling us that bad times are about to return," she says, explaining the reasons behind the August protest.

"There was also increased visibility of militants in our area. We were afraid that an attempt by them to infiltrate the LoC would invite Indian fire into our area. We had to do something."

Unlike other parts of Pakistani-administered Kashmir, where villagers affected by insurgency can move back from the front line when tensions rise, people in the Neelum valley are trapped by Indian positions on one side and the mountains on the other.

It is this desperate situation that has prompted the women of the valley to take action.

Two incidents that followed the women's protest illustrate the deeper undercurrents of the movement they are leading.

Firstly, on the night following the protest, a group of militants tried to cross the LoC and sparked an armed clash with Indian border guards some distance east of Athmuqam, with locals saying they could hear the firing and the shelling.

The next morning, as well as the women marching to the army camp again, the town's traders also pulled down their shutters and held a protest rally in the centre of the town, which was joined by the lawyers from the district bar council.

"The entire district seemed to be up in arms, which made the government officials nervous," says Khwaja Fayyaz Hussain, a local journalist.

Days later, an attempt by militants to cross the LoC was frustrated by none other than the residents of a small village, Ban Chhattar.

"Some three or four armed men tried to cross the river in a rubber boat at night, but were spotted by a villager who raised the alarm," says Malik Naseer, a resident of Ban Chhattar.

The villagers stoned the boatmen and forced them to turn back. Someone also called the police who arrived half an hour later. The suspects had disappeared by then.

But can the Neelum women, and the society that stands behind them, keep the militants at bay forever?

Fires rekindled

Analysts say the Neelum housewives are only a tiny factor in the wider geo-strategic war games that the Indian and Pakistani militaries have been playing in Kashmir since their independence in 1947.

In 1948, the two neighbours fought the first of their two wars over Kashmir, leading to the division of the region and the establishment of a ceasefire line - now called the LoC. However, both countries still claim the region and there are often clashes across the LoC.

In 1989, separatist groups supported by Pakistan started an armed insurgency in Indian-administered Kashmir which continued until 2003 and claimed more than 50,000 lives, but failed to shake Indian rule there.

Down the years, the insurgency evolved from a nationalistic war of independence by indigenous Kashmiri groups, to a jihad, or holy war, against India, led mainly by outsiders, predominantly militants from Pakistan's Punjab province.

Continue reading the main story

Start Quote
For several years we didn't have a single moment when we could sit out in the open”
End Quote
Khwaja Fayyaz Hussain

local journalist
By the late 1990s, the Kashmiri fighters had become largely disillusioned with the fighting and withdrew from battle, leaving the field open to the Pakistani groups.

A ceasefire was put in place in 2003, and initially the Pakistani military put the Punjabi militant networks under tighter control. But in recent years there has been a build-up of Punjabi militants along the LoC.

"Fires have been rekindled in the kitchens of some abandoned militant camps, and there are more frequent sightings of their vehicles on the roads, especially after dark," says a top official in Athmuqam, requesting anonymity because he is not authorised to speak on matters of national security.

Analysts point out that such militant activity along the LoC has tended to coincide with signs of improvement in India-Pakistan relations.

The recent tension along the LoC dates from January when the Pakistani government was close to granting preferential trading status to India.

The situation worsened after May's elections which were won by Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif, who has publicly supported normalisation and greater trade relations with India.

Analysts feel that elements in Pakistan's powerful military establishment consider the politicians' overtures to India as premature, and that their surrogate militant groups view tension on the LoC as a means to slow down the process of normalisation.

Most recent clashes along the LoC have taken place further to the south, away from the Neelum valley.

This is quite unlike the past when the geographical isolation of the Neelum valley made it the most favoured spot for militants to launch attacks into Indian-administered Kashmir.

For the Neelum people, this isolation meant they found themselves in an information black hole, in which they suffered countless miseries for 14 years without making headlines.

The valley is an arc-shaped narrow strip of land that runs for some 150km (93 miles) in an east-west direction. It is hemmed in by the Himalayan mountains to the north and east, and by the Indian positions to the south.

The majority of its roughly 300,000 inhabitants live in villages and towns along the Neelum River which flows through the length of the valley.

Most of the main population centres are exposed to Indian fire, and they bore the brunt of the insurgency in the 1990s.

Through the decade, houses and government buildings were flattened by Indian shelling, and underground bunkers multiplied. More than 2,000 civilians lost their lives, while nearly 5,000 were injured or maimed.

"For several years we didn't have a single moment when we could sit out in the open without the fear of a mortar shell landing on our heads," says Khwaja Fayyaz Hussain.

"In 1998, the shelling was so intense it forced us to stay permanently in bunkers. I don't recall when the winter ended and the summer began."

Mohammad Khursheed, a pharmacist who runs a medical store in Athmuqam, says the war gave the people arthritis, a disease which he says is normally rare in mountainous regions.

"We have been treating hundreds of arthritis patients in recent years. They got it because they were forced to spend long hours - sometimes up to 18 hours at a stretch - sitting on damp ground inside the bunkers."

Trying to rebuild

The insurgency also brought economic misery.

The only road connecting the valley to the outside world passes through a narrow corridor at its south-western tip.

Shortly after the start of the insurgency, Indian fire brought traffic on this road to a halt, bottling up the valley. It stayed that way for 14 years.

An alternative road built by the Pakistani army over the mountain passes to the north could only be used by all-terrain vehicles, and increased travel time from two hours to over six.

"There were times when people had to pay 20 times the original price for stuff like cooking oil, bread and vegetables shipped in through this road," says Mr Hussain.

While prices soared, local agricultural production fell sharply because constant shelling by the Indians made farming difficult.

The insurgency also kept the children of the valley away from school for 14 long years, "making them strangers to the alphabet", he says.

Since the ceasefire in 2003, people have been picking up the pieces. Many have rebuilt their houses, but many more are still without the means to do that.

And the spectre of militancy has been raising its head again in the valley.

Despite the mounting opposition they face in Neelum, militants managed to cross the LoC in late September from that area and spent two weeks fighting Indian forces on the other side.

The clashes were going on as the two countries' prime ministers met on the sidelines of the UN General Assembly in New York.

There have also been reports, but few details, of numerous militant forays across the LoC to the north-east, near the town of Kel.

Whether or not the people of Neelum valley will succeed in forcing the authorities to eliminate militants permanently is a question only time will answer.

What is clear is that the women of Neelum valley are in the driving seat in the community's fight against the menace, and for good reason.

"As compared to men, they are less likely to be assassinated by militants or painted as spies by the military, as this would create a scandal and fuel more anger in the wider society," says Arif Bahar, a scholar and journalist based in Muzaffarabad.

And they have a powerful voice, shorn of the restraint that the men sometimes have to show.

"We are poor people. We don't give weapons to the militants. It is the army that gives it to them, and gives them the expenses, and orders restaurants to send them naan bread when they are in town," says Sarwar Jan in a firm voice.

"But when the firing begins, it is us poor people that suffer. This has to stop."

Mohammad Khursheed agrees.

"We can't fight India or Pakistan, but we will stop the militants any way we can, even shoot them," he says.

"If we don't do that, they will drag us back to the life of the 1990s, which is not worth living''
It is damn true. If these Pakistan backed militants fire at us..Pakistan's civilians/cattle/assets/soldiers will suffer.

Good step.
 
BTW I must commend the women of neelum valley. Despite the propaganda, its the kashmiris living in pakistani control who have no freedom to speak their minds. The recent murder of pro independence leader Sardar Arif Shahid is clear signal of the kind of intimidation kashmiris face when they refuse to tow the official line from rawalpindi. Its worth noticing that a kashmirir leader on indian side, Moulana Shoukat Ahmad Shah, was also murdered by pakistani terrorist organisation lashkar e taiba when he refused to follow orders from rawalpindi on stone pelting.
 
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