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Navy’s Tense 14 Year Wait Ends With India-US Chopper Deal Today

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When India and the United States sign a $2.6 billion deal today to procure 24 MH-60R Sea Hawk helicopters, it will be after a tense 14-year wait for the Indian Navy. Six of the Sikorsky-built helicopters will be delivered early next year, with the remaining 18 to follow in batches over two years. For the navy, they couldn’t possibly be arriving sooner. And the journey to this point, like several other procurement programs, highlights the troubling stomach the Indian armed forces are compelled to have for delays.

Confirming that the deal would be signed today, US President Donald Trump said in Ahmedabad yesterday, “I am pleased to announce that, tomorrow, our representatives will sign deals to sell over $3 billion in the absolute finest, state-of-the-art military helicopters and other equipment to the Indian Armed Forces.”

The second deal that will be signed today, that Trump refers to, is for 6 AH-64E Apache attack helicopters for the Indian Army as options on an earlier IAF procurement. But it is the deal today for MH-60Rs that merits a closer look back.

The 24 Sea Hawks being contracted today are a twisted culmination of an erstwhile Indian Navy procurement program called the Multirole Helicopter (MRH) that was first articulated in 2006-07. The MRH sought to quickly, but competitively, choose and procure 16 naval helicopters to augment and replace the Indian Navy’s Sea Kings. The navy operates Westland Sea Kings and a flight of Sikorsky UH-3H Sea Kings that came as part of the USS Trenton supply deal in 2007. It was amidst plans to upgrade and extend the life of its Sea Kings that the navy decided at the time to forward plan for replacement helicopters.

Five years passed before the contest reached anywhere close to finality, with India left to decide between the European NH90 and Sikorsky’s S-70B Sea Hawk. A protracted and unusually ill-tempered contest, it seemed that amidst the turbulence of an annoyed Indian Navy and the AgustaWestland helicopter scandal (AgustaWestland’s parent company owns 32% of NHIndustries), it seemed for a while that the Indian Navy was being empowered to award the program to Sikorsky for 16 S-70Bs.

All through the contest, Sikorsky had pitched the MH-60R, a higher capability helicopter based on the same Sea Hawk airframe as the S-70B, but the Indian Navy had held off on the offer, saying it would consider the more expensive Romeo helicopters for the the separate Naval Multirole Helicopter (NMRH) program that sought to procure 44 helicopters. In 2015, Sikorsky was bought out by Lockheed-Martin Inc., which put significant energies into persuading the Indian government that the MH-60R was the way to go in a no-fuss government-to-government deal. In consequence, the troublesome MRH procurement then went into familiar limbo for two years, with no official word on whether the Indian MoD planned to announce a decision one way or the other. During this time, there was significant debate within the Indian Navy whether to abort the program entirely, or keep it alive.

In August 2017, the Indian Navy made a dramatic announcement. The erstwhile NMRH requirement was rebooted, with the number of airframes nearly tripled from 44 to 123, and a degree of detailing in terms of a split between multirole utility and special operations. But what about the dormant MRH? Almost exactly a year later, things became clear.

In August 2018, days before the crucial ‘2+2’ dialogue between India and the United States, the Indian MoD cleared the Indian Navy to pursue the acquisition of 24 Sikorsky MH-60R helicopters. Less than two years later, that deal will be signed today by India and the United States under the latter’s Foreign Military Sales (FMS) program. The MRH program was never officially laid to rest, but with the 24 Romeos to cost $2.6 billion, the navy will be hoping it can keep the NMRH program for 123 such helicopters alive. The latter program is to be executed under India’s ambitious Strategic Partnership (SP) model.

On the back of today’s deal, the MH-60R will hold an obvious advantage going into the NMRH program, if and when it happens as proposed. Not surprisingly, the NH90 which vied for the original MRH program won’t be a player in the NMRH. Instead, NHIndustries’ majority shareholder Airbus Helicopters has decided to pitch the H225M Caracal. The latter is also a contender for the Indian Coastguard’s procurement competition for 14 twin-engine heavy helicopters (TEHH) cleared by the MoD last year. The Caracal goes up against Sikorsky’s S-92.

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The 24 MH-60Rs and the 123 NMRH helicopters (if that numbers holds steady) will operate off aircraft carrier INS Vikramaditya, the upcoming indigenous aircraft carriers Vikrant, the three Shivalik-class stealth frigates, the follow-on P-17A frigates as well as current and future destroyer types, the Delhi-class, Kolkata-class and Visakhapatnam-class.
https://www.livefistdefence.com/202...it-ends-with-india-us-chopper-deal-today.html
 
Spanish Shipbuilder Navantia Proposed Advanced Derivative of S80 Submarine to Indian Navy: https://www.globaldefensecorp.com/2...d-derivative-of-s80-submarine-to-indian-navy/
S80 is :
Non operationnal,
costly,
equipped with a US weapon system (good luck for integrating non US weapons... and same luck for the ability to use your sub where you want...),
over weighted (Navantia need the US support so as to study a 10m add-on hull so as to accomodate a too high weight...)

The sole asset is that as a Scorpene derivative, it may be (except Scorpene) the easier to produce.
 
S80 is :
Non operationnal,
costly,
equipped with a US weapon system (good luck for integrating non US weapons... and same luck for the ability to use your sub where you want...),
over weighted (Navantia need the US support so as to study a 10m add-on hull so as to accomodate a too high weight...)

The sole asset is that as a Scorpene derivative, it may be (except Scorpene) the easier to produce.

there is next to no chance of a Spanish sub winning the P-75I tender. There is no strategic gains to be had with Spain, which is a lightweight on the strategic front. The front-runners will be France and Russia which are already close strategic allies of India.
 
What is the reason of this protest of Pakistan ? They estimate that the AGM84L is a threat to the Pak Navy ?
I am curious to know, because we buy the same missile.

Pakistan concerned over US Harpoon sale to India

Top StoryAgenciesApril 19, 2020

ISLAMABAD: Pakistan has expressed its concern over the sale of Harpoon Block II air launched missiles by the United States to India.Foreign Office Spokesperson Aisha Farooqui said that the sale of...

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ISLAMABAD: Pakistan has expressed its concern over the sale of Harpoon Block II air launched missiles by the United States to India.

Foreign Office Spokesperson Aisha Farooqui said that the sale of such missile systems, along with technical assistance and logistic support, at a time when there is a global effort to fight the pandemic, is particularly disturbing.

She said that Pakistan has articulated its concerns regarding the sale of sophisticated weapons to India, which would further destabilise the region. “Pakistan has alerted the international community many times about India’s aggressive designs not only towards Pakistan but also towards other neighbouring countries in South Asia.” She said that sale of the weapons would destabilise the already volatile situation in South Asia. There is a high possibility of India conducting a false flag operation while global efforts are directed towards combating the pandemic, the Foreign Office said.

Pointing out ceasefire violations from neighbouring arch rival, the Foreign Office spokesperson said that Indian forces committed over 765 ceasefire violations resulting in martyrdom of three civilians as well as serious injuries to 54 innocent civilians. “In 2019, India violated the ceasefire agreement 3,351 times,” she said adding that Pakistan continues to respond to Indian belligerence in a firm and responsible manner.

Aisha Farooqui while rejecting a US Commission’s report on denial of food aid to minorities and said that it was not based on facts and seems to have relied on inaccurate sources. “Under the Ehsaas Emergency Cash Programme, which is the official social protection programme, every eligible citizen has an equal opportunity to seek financial assistance,” she said and added that out of the 6.5 million beneficiaries that have received cash assistance in Category-I, 400,000 (6.15 percent) are non-Muslims.

She further said that India had to ensure bringing an end to illegal occupation of the Kashmir. “We are committed to hold any meaningful talks with India on resolution of Kashmir dispute,” he said.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.th...istan-concerned-over-us-harpoon-sale-to-india
 
there is next to no chance of a Spanish sub winning the P-75I tender. There is no strategic gains to be had with Spain, which is a lightweight on the strategic front. The front-runners will be France and Russia which are already close strategic allies of India.

Ridiculously delayed program..... better to scrap it and build more homemade nuclear submarines or simply go for more scorpeans....

BTW any update on induction date of INS KARANJ and INS VELA? (scorpeans subs).... Early 2019 I heard both are under sea trials... don't know whats taking so long....

What is the reason of this protest of Pakistan ? They estimate that the AGM84L is a threat to the Pak Navy ?
I am curious to know, because we buy the same missile.



https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.th...istan-concerned-over-us-harpoon-sale-to-india
Missile itself is not a big deal, but the sales implies a change of US strategy: favor India over Pakistan.

Apart from that I think Harpoon version India got is air launched version which Pakistan doesn't have....
 
Missile itself is not a big deal, but the sales implies a change of US strategy: favor India over Pakistan.
US strategy is fastly moving. Another US president may change of politics.

France itself evolves between India and Pakistan up to late 90's. But now that we fear islamism, our choice is made for long.
 

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