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History of Sindhis

I am not exactly sure if it's history related but very cool to say the least
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Az-Zutt is Arabic for Jutt/jatts who used to live in Sindh during that time period (I know jutts are synonymous with Punjabis as vast majority of em live there nowadays but they're originally people from Sindh or lower IV who migrated Northward)

during prophet pbuh times they must have been trading or interacting with Arabs probably that's why the reference in this Hadith

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Everyone likes mangoes, and in Sindh we have best varieties of mangoes.
One special thing to mention here. We have some varieties of mangoes in Sindh who give fruit in winter. Kachelo forms are famous for that.
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So basically a fruit that is intrinsically hot in nature is also getting produced in winter here. But I wonder why this is not know to the general public?

I am not exactly sure if it's history related but very cool to say the least
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Az-Zutt is Arabic for Jutt/jatts who used to live in Sindh during that time period (I know jutts are synonymous with Punjabis as vast majority of em live thier nowadays but they're originally people from Sindh or lower IV who migrated Northward)

during prophet pbuh times they must have been trading or interacting with Arabs probably that's why the reference in this Hadith

@jus_chillin , @Super Falcon, @SIPRA
According to some people, even Saddam Hussain is from a Jaat tribe.
 
Everyone likes mangoes, and in Sindh we have best varieties of mangoes.
One special thing to mention here. We have some varieties of mangoes in Sindh who give fruit in winter. Kachelo forms are famous for that.
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So basically a fruit that is intrinsically hot in nature is also getting produced in winter here. But I wonder why this is not know to the general public?


According to some people, even Saddam Hussain is from a Jaat tribe.
It's one of those British peddled BS of foreign origins some day they're sythians, other days Iraqis while some other day ertagrul ghazi

Total BS British propoganda so people lose connection with Thier land

Only origin we are sure of is that Jutt's were a lower IV people who during middle ages migrated Northwards- Hindi "jaats" are even more recent than that
 
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I am not exactly sure if it's history related but very cool to say the least
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Az-Zutt is Arabic for Jutt/jatts who used to live in Sindh during that time period (I know jutts are synonymous with Punjabis as vast majority of em live there nowadays but they're originally people from Sindh or lower IV who migrated Northward)

during prophet pbuh times they must have been trading or interacting with Arabs probably that's why the reference in this Hadith

@jus_chillin , @Super Falcon, @SIPRA
This post can go in both history of Sindhis and punjabis thread lol
 
I am not exactly sure if it's history related but very cool to say the least
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Az-Zutt is Arabic for Jutt/jatts who used to live in Sindh during that time period (I know jutts are synonymous with Punjabis as vast majority of em live there nowadays but they're originally people from Sindh or lower IV who migrated Northward)

during prophet pbuh times they must have been trading or interacting with Arabs probably that's why the reference in this Hadith

@jus_chillin , @Super Falcon, @SIPRA

Per experts, the Sindhi Jutts are different from the modern-day Punjabi Jatts (in my paternal village, there is a large population of Jutts and they have nothing in common with Jatts). The Jutts were camel traders and were called as Zatt in Arabia, where they would often travel for the purpose of trade. I think the Arabs now use the term Zatt for all camel farmers in general. Jutts of Sindh are still involved in camel farming.

However, I am not rejecting their South to North movement, or that Jatts and Jutts don't have any connection. Will discuss it with relevant people and get back.
 
Per experts, the Sindhi Jutts are different from the modern-day Punjabi Jatts (in my paternal village, there is a large population of Jutts and they have nothing in common with Jatts). The Jutts were camel traders and were called as Zatt in Arabia, where they would often travel for the purpose of trade. I think the Arabs now use the term Zatt for all camel farmers in general. Jutts of Sindh are still involved in camel farming.

However, I am not rejecting their South to North movement, or that Jatts and Jutts don't have any connection. Will discuss it with relevant people and get back.
They're called jutts in Pakistan Punjab, Jatt in IP and jaat in Hindi regions

You don't need to be an expert to say they're different...
Cause pretty sure they'll be different rn as they migrated Northwards during middle ages- that's 100s of years ago so cultural, linguistic, even genetic changes are normal

Same with Jutt and Hindi jaat cultural, linguistic and some genetic differences between the two

But afaik all of Thier connections or point of origins are same
 
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I am not exactly sure if it's history related but very cool to say the least
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Az-Zutt is Arabic for Jutt/jatts who used to live in Sindh during that time period (I know jutts are synonymous with Punjabis as vast majority of em live there nowadays but they're originally people from Sindh or lower IV who migrated Northward)

during prophet pbuh times they must have been trading or interacting with Arabs probably that's why the reference in this Hadith

@jus_chillin , @Super Falcon, @SIPRA
May be you are right but in this context we are not very sure
 
I am not exactly sure if it's history related but very cool to say the least
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Az-Zutt is Arabic for Jutt/jatts who used to live in Sindh during that time period (I know jutts are synonymous with Punjabis as vast majority of em live there nowadays but they're originally people from Sindh or lower IV who migrated Northward)

during prophet pbuh times they must have been trading or interacting with Arabs probably that's why the reference in this Hadith

@jus_chillin , @Super Falcon, @SIPRA
Jatts are mentioned in early Islamic sources. The Sassanids had resettled many of them to their Western frontier regions where they came into contact with Arabs.
 
Kankah was a scholar from Sind (Indus Valley) around the 8th century who according to various Muslim sources was present in the court of Caliph Mamun and became a central figure in the study of astronomy and other sciences in the Abbasid Caliphate.
Early Islamic geographers knew South Asia as ‘Sind wal Hind’ (Sind and Hind), essentially bifurcating it into two with the western portions under a Muslim stronghold as Sind and all other areas as Hind. This ‘Sind’ included various portions of Balochistan and Punjab as well.
Various Muslim historians have written of a delegation of scholars and sages from Sind to have arrived at the Abbasid court during the initial years of Caliph Mamun’s reign of which Kankah was also a part. These men carried with themselves various Sanskrit treatises.
Kankah is said to have carried the Brahma Siddhanta, one of the most excellent works on mathematics and astronomy by the Indian mathematician Brahmagupta, to Baghdad and served to translate the treatise into Arabic with the help of the famous astronomer Al-Fazari.
The translation of this text with the inclusion of some other translations of Persian and Greek works ultimately yielded to the Muslims the work known as the ‘Sindhind al-Kabir’: the treatise which would ‘produce over the centuries the spectacular tradition of Arabic Astronomy’.
More importantly through this translation, the decimal notation system of Indian mathematicians was also given to the Arabs who called it “Arqam Al-Hind” (Indian Numerals). These traveled to Europe who called it the Arabic numerals. They’re the base of our current number system
The contributions of Kankah did not end there. The Sindhind was copied and refined for centuries by the likes Al-Khwarizmi, Berbers, Christians, and Jews and taken to Europe. Indian numerals too shall be refined by Al-Nasawi and others till the Islamic world is saturated by them.
Centuries later a Spanish polymath would utilize the Sindhind in the creation of his book which would be employed for tasks such as finding the direction of Mecca, establishing times of prayer, and inquiring about the visibility of the moon to use for the Islamic Calendar.
Kankah himself lived in the court and produced various books like the The Book of Nativities, The Book of Namudar for the Ages, The Great Book of Conjunctions, and the Small book of Conjunctions. He became somewhat of a legendary figure over time.
It is just as saddening as it is surprising how a man who contributed so greatly to the Islamic Golden Age is nearly unknown both in his homeland in Pakistan but also in South Asia and the Muslim world. It is essentially our duty to learn about such figures from our lands.
 
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History of the Hurs: Sindh

The Hurs were and are the main tribe living in this area. A proud and fierce people, the Hurs had given the British a difficult time. They had rebelled during World War II against British rule [1] During the British rule, Pir Pagaro declared his community “Hur” (free from British slavery). The British tried to crush the uprising and that started an armed resistance by Hurs. Ultimately the British passed the infamous law “Hur Act” where the entire Hur community was declared criminals and were ordered to be shot to death on sight

The Hurs cannot be said to have been defeated as they continued their struggle even after the hanging of the Pir Sahib, right up to the time of the independence of Pakistan, Pakistan having acquired the status of an independent country. The British were forced by Hurs and a number of other movements to leave the ‘Jewel in the British Crown’. Pir Pagaro Sayyed Sibghatullah Shah was hanged on March 20, 1943 and the British left Pakistan in four years’ time on 14th of August 1947. Long after the end of British rule, Pir Pagaro’s two sons, who were in British custody in England, were released and came back to lead their community. Sindh was a province in the newly independent Pakistan. The sons of Sibghatullah Shah Shaheed were brought to Pakistan in December 1951 after long negotiations. The elder son, Pir Sikandar Shah, Shah Mardan Shah, became the new Pir in February 1952. Shah Mardan Shah II is the current Pir Pagaro

Hurs in the 1965 War
At the time of the 1965 War the spiritual leader of the Hur was the Pir Pagaro.
The Hurs had earlier not joined the Pakistan Army in any numbers, however with the coming of war, thousands volunteered to fight against the Indians. The Hurs were (due to constraints of finances as well as time) given only basic training and armed with light weapons such as machine guns and assault rifles. The militia was placed under the Pakistani military and para-military forces operating in the sector (known collectively as the “Desert Force”). The Hur militia was commanded by the Faqir Jamal Mangrio.

The battle
The war began on 6 September 1965 and the hostilities in this sector commenced on September the 8th. Initially the Desert Force and the Hur was placed in a defensive role, a role for which they were well suited as it turned out. The Hur were familiar with the terrain and the local area and possessed many essential desert survival skills which their opponents (and indeed their comrades in the Pakistan Army) did not. Fighting as mainly light infantry, the Hur inflicted many casualties on the Indian forces as they entered Sindh. The Hurs were also employed as skirmishers, harassing the Indians LOC, a task they often undertook on camels. As the battle wore on the Hurs and the Desert Force were increasingly used to attack and capture Indian villages inside Rajasthan. It was in this vein that an assault on Kishangarh fort was launched. The attack surprised the Indians and the fort was carried after several days of bitter fighting.

Impact
The use of the Desert Force and the Hurs established a break in the traditions of the Pakistani army. While the Pakistani Army (and its predecessor the British Indian Army) had often used local auxiliaries for scouting and other durties, this was the first time that irregular forces were used on such a wide scale. The capture of this fort gave Pakistan several bargaining chips during the subsequent Tashkent Conference.

In 1965 war of India and Pakistan, the Southern desert sector was a mere sideshow to the major battles fought in the Punjab and in Kashmir. However the Indians had placed two divisions in the desert with the aim of tying down Pakistani troops.

Facing a shortage of troops and unable to divert any substantial forces from the Punjab and Kashmir sectors (where the main Indian thrust has come), the commander of the Pakistan Rangers, Brigadier Khuda Dad Khan, turned to local help. Hurs volunteered in droves. Given only basic training and light weapons, the Hurs nevertheless gave a fine account of themselves in the conflict. Fighting alongside Rangers and regular army units (known collectively as the Desert Force), the Hurs used their knowledge of the desert to good effect and helped to blunt the Indian offensive. But, perhaps their most famous (and militarily important) action was the capture of the Indian fort of Kishangarh, a feature located several kilometers inside India

The capture of the Kishangarh in Rajasthan State India took place during the 1965 War between India and Pakistan. Its capture was one of the most important actions of the Desert Theater in that war and one of the finest examples of the use of local militia in the history of the Sub-Continent.

Background
The outpost is around 11 kilometers (Lat 27.871 N,Lon 70.563 E) inside Indian territory, in the so called Jaisalmer Bulge. It is a small mud Structure 70 by 60 meters across. It sits 22 km east of the town of Tanot towards the International border. It also sits on the only road linking any part of Rajasthan with the Pakistani city of Rahim Yar Khan.

The Desert Sector was a mere sideshow in the 1965 Indo-Pakistan War. Both sides had little experience in desert fighting at the time, and moreover the main industrial, and economic heartland of Pakistan and India were to the north. As a result when war came the Indians main effort would be against Lahore and Sialkot in the Punjab. However the Indians left some forces in the region with the aim of launching local offensives. Pakistani army troops in the region were already very stretched, having to defend a sector nearly a thousand km in length. To counteract this effort, the commander Pakistan Army Rangers asked the local people for help

Persecution of Hurs by Bhutto Government
In 1972 Zulfikar Ali Bhutto became the president and then the prime minister of Pakistan. Under his government, the Government of Sindh started a crackdown on Hurs. Matters got worst when four prominent fakirs were gunned down by police. Their photos appeared in the newspapers as dacoits gunned down by police in armed combat.This happened despite the fact that Sindhies considered Hurs as Sindh’s heroes and the historic Bhutto family personally respected Pir Pagaro. In the general elections of 1977, Pir Pagaro decided to break the tradition of not becoming involved in power politics and ran for the seat of parliament from Mr. Bhuttos hometown of Larkana. This was a symbolic gesture of protest but Pir Pagaro was arrested. This saw a bloody clash of Hurs and government leaving hundreds of Hurs and government officials dead


Creation of Hur Force
In 1977 coup which overthrew Mr. Bhutto, the newly empowered dictator General Muhammad Zia-ul-Haq, who was looking for some foothold in Sindh, restored the status of Hurs in Pakistan Army. He also appointed a famous Sindhi civil servant Mr. Bashir Ahmed Siddiqui as the Inspector General of Sindh to face the growing problem of dacoits, especially Paro Chandio. Mr. Siddiqui formed a militia called Hur Force out of Hurs. This saw the death of 1965 war hero Faqir Jamal Mangrio by the hand of Paro Chandio but also saw the death of Paro Chandio by the hand of I.G. Siddiqui himself


Persecution of Hurs by Benazir’s Government
In 1988, President Zia-ul-Haq died in an air crash and Zulfikar Ali Bhutto’s daughter Benazir Bhutto was elected as Prime Minister. Benazir Bhutto’s government decided to replace the Hur Force with a new force called Magsi Force, consisting of militants from the tribe of Mir Nadir Ali Magsi, a rival of Hurs. Benazir Bhutto encouraged and supported clash between forces and after bloody clashes the Hur Force was weakened substantially.


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Local people have found large amounts of wood in the bed of the Chotiari Reservoir, Sanghar district, after the water level in the reservoir reached dead level. Elders of the area believe that the big trees which are visible now in the reservoir once constituted the historic Makhi Forest, which was a hideout for the Hur Tahreek fighters before the Partition


“It was the center of the Hur resistance movement against the British rule (over India) under the command of Pir Sibghatullah Shah Rashdi, a spiritual leader,” said 65-year-old president of the Hur Historical Society Sanghar, Mir Nizamani

He told The News that before the Chotiari reservoir was built the place was known as the Baqar Lake, a cluster of several freshwater lakes, and the Makhi forest used to be near it.


He provided details that when the British army in retaliation bombed a village, Jadoopur, still located at a sand dune in the middle of the reservoir, killing some people, including a woman, the Hur fighters had to change their strategy. They made a cut in the major Nara Canal, due to which water inundated a wide area and most of the travel routes were blocked. It was the year 1942-43, the Hur fighters led by Rahim Hingoro hid in the Makhi forest, he added


The reason to adopt this strategy was that most of the villages inhabited by the resistance fighters or their supporters were located at sand dunes and these artificial floods would not allow the British forces to harm the residents, Nizamani said. He added that the cut in the Nara Canal inundated the forest area and turned it into a number of water lakes.

Moreover, he said that since the Hur elders were either killed on the battlefield or put into concentration camps with their entire families by the British government, remaining families in the area migrated to other areas. By the time the concentration camps were abolished and the people languishing in those camps were released, the Hur population was scattered to different locations. “And nobody knew where the Makhi forest had gone,” Nizamani added


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