Have you forgotten all that Musharraf did for you, Pakistan?

[Sedqal]

Why than there were no cases in Punjab and center against him, until he returned?
Please, mention the law being broken.. and i remind you again... when you accept Musharraf was a military man than he cannot be trialed in civil courts, even if would kill Nawaz Sharif on 12 October.
While doing so, the govt. is breaking the law it self.
All legal experts are laughing at the kangroo courts of sharif.


Why laugh? We have more degree holders and tax payers than both countries, we beat both countries in international school examination. In Pakistan cost of infrastructure development is cheapest, In Pakistan army build most of infrastructure and govt. got to pay only the salaries of chowkidars, In Pakistan people got to pay Zakat and surcharge on top of tax, neither japan or Switzerland charge it, Pakistan earn forex from Saudi Arabia, we have more natural resources than both states than why does both states are able to build better country with their tax and we failed?


It is you who is making decisions and Dr. TuQ has exposed all noora politicians, does not qualify article 62 63 and still sitting in assemblies. They legally are disqualified... they only can go to jail for forging and fraud in their nomination papers.ö

- because Mushy was the President, COAS and chief executive all at the same time. As COAS he had no authority to take most of the decisions he took. There is no great legal battle here, its the same joke as Zia. You know Zia the president gave extensions to Zia the COAS? That is what happens when the whole system of governance is bastardized by illegal coups.

- No one is laughing at the courts except Mushy supporters (even they are not laughing now, as they realize the seriousness of situation), Punishing dictators reflects the maturity of nations and rule of law, whatever gave you the idea that world will laugh at that. Infact the world laughs when Pakistan is the only country in Asia with Burma and North Korea where military rules, that is the real embarrassment and that's when the world laughs and you hear the old argument of colonists that these people are not yet ready to govern themselves.

- The same courts were satisfied how we dealt with 62 and 63. Plus 9 out of 10 generals also won't clear it the way TuQ uses Sadiq and Ameen (infact even TuQ will be disqualified there are court rulings against him). You can't legally disqualify diddly squat only courts can deicide that. If TuQ arouses some of his brain dead zombie force and God Forbid commits a coup it will be anarchy not law.

- Japan and Switzerland are established democracies, mind telling me how much percentage of their budget goes to their armies and how many times their Armies have committed illegal coups?

- Still you are missing the point, Musharraf apologists were jumping on shoulders of Army and lately it seems that Army wants nothing to do with Mushy (and with good reason I told you he tried to send Kayani packing when Kayani refused to help him in hi spolitical struggle). Now Mush is trying to drag the new COAS into this mess and Mush's lawyers are crying that court should call ALL military personal involved in '99 illegal coup. Some of those are still serving and the way Mush is going he is soon to become a liability for army - whats your opinion on that because as I see it the very same Mushy supporters are soon to be pitted against Army as an institution.

 

[W.11]

where is hameed haram khor gul and his ISI pillas? where is army pillas and where is difa e pakistan and all other establishent ka pillas?

 

[Sedqal]

irrelevant, case is in court and will be decided on its legality not on dime a dozen political statements. Though its amusing to see that MQM lost all the credibility from Mustafa Kamal's work by backing Mushy on 12th October and is making the same mistake again.

 

[W.11]

irrelevant, case is in court and will be decided on its legality not on dime a dozen political statements. Though its amusing to see that MQM lost all the credibility from Mustafa Kamal's work by backing Mushy on 12th October and is making the same mistake again.

MQM is saying do trial from 12th october, you lost tribe of taliban ameer ul momineen maulvi nawaz ul haq

 

[Sedqal]

MQM is saying do trial from 12th october, you lost tribe of taliban ameer ul momineen maulvi nawaz ul haq

MQM doesn't have to say it, it should go enter a petition in courts and legally fight this - at this moment anything which is being done outside the courts is simple politics and has no bearing on the case. Rest is rhetoric, PMLN is a democratic party which won majority in parliament thus represents the will of Pakistanis - live with that.

 

[BATMAN]

- because Mushy was the President, COAS and chief executive all at the same time. As COAS he had no authority to take most of the decisions he took. There is no great legal battle here, its the same joke as Zia. You know Zia the president gave extensions to Zia the COAS? That is what happens when the whole system of governance is bastardized by illegal coups.

- No one is laughing at the courts except Mushy supporters (even they are not laughing now, as they realize the seriousness of situation), Punishing dictators reflects the maturity of nations and rule of law, whatever gave you the idea that world will laugh at that. Infact the world laughs when Pakistan is the only country in Asia with Burma and North Korea where military rules, that is the real embarrassment and that's when the world laughs and you hear the old argument of colonists that these people are not yet ready to govern themselves.

- The same courts were satisfied how we dealt with 62 and 63. Plus 9 out of 10 generals also won't clear it the way TuQ uses Sadiq and Ameen (infact even TuQ will be disqualified there are court rulings against him). You can't legally disqualify diddly squat only courts can deicide that. If TuQ arouses some of his brain dead zombie force and God Forbid commits a coup it will be anarchy not law.

- Japan and Switzerland are established democracies, mind telling me how much percentage of their budget goes to their armies and how many times their Armies have committed illegal coups?

P.M. was elected President by the politicians sitting in assemblies, there are no legal issues with that, all was approved by judiciary.
If Zia did some thing wrong than Nawaz Sharif should have registered FIR against him.

-You need to find your self meaning of democracy, it is not the election process, which is always corrupt when held under civilian rule, while Musharraf was elected in 4 tiers, first he was elected as commander in chief by virtue of his qualkification & services, acknowledged by an institution. Second, he held referendum to continue as Chief executive, and people voted him 100% and celebrated his election like never before, than he was elected by the legislative assemblies as President, he was even approved by the satate intelligentsia, he than formed local bodies govt. and he was accepted as leader and approved by judiciary.
It was until ImRAWn Khan & Liers came to streets in most illegal fashion, and he resigned immediately and left Pakistan to them.
Where is the problem!

- If you have issues with the article 62 63 than change it but technically it stays valid in its spirit until it exist. No amount of buffoonery would change its application and you talk about kangroo courts, who did not listen to Dr. TuQ petition.

- Spending on defence budget is not the issue here, and it is your PM who go around and take loans in the name of forex earned from Saudi Arabai!
Here is Swiss lesson about democracy for Pakistan, he no where speak about parliament or ministerial role in it.
He mention what Musharraf delivered to you.... and have some shame after this.
Lessons from Switzerland: Efficient local governments key to development, says Swiss envoy – The Express Tribune

 

[W.11]

MQM doesn't have to say it, it should go enter a petition in courts and legally fight this - at this moment anything which is being done outside the courts is simple politics and has no bearing on the case. Rest is rhetoric, PMLN is a democratic party which won majority in parliament thus represents the will of Pakistanis - live with that.

MQM has to play safe, still doing much better than establishment ka pillas who are just watching a him getting persecuted alone for the fault of others, let me tell you if MQM wasn't behaving diplomatic, it had done a lot more, dunno what can MQM do in its jurisdication today but the mush case been totally handed over to ameer al momineen maulana nawaz ul haq rehmatullah

 

[Sedqal]

MQM has to play safe, still doing much better than establishment ka pillas who are just watching a mohajir getting persecuted alone for the fault of others, let me tell you if MQM wasn't behaving diplomatic, it had done a lot more, dunno what can MQM do in its jurisdication today but the mush case been totally handed over to ameer al momineen maulana nawaz ul haq rehmatullah

MQM has already played the mohajir card and made Mushy more controversial as he had support in some non-muhajir segments. Secondly Army keeps miles away from etnic/ sectarian issues and MQM stance will only hurt pro-Musharraf element in Army.

MQM has done all it can, if it starts strikes or violence in Karachi its not going to effect Mush case one bit. After the embarrassment of 12th May this is another embarrassment MQM has created for itself. If Mushy goes scot free MQM will be blamed partly, if Mush is punished MQM won't be able to do anything outside Khi/ Hyderabad which are already its turf (Mush case has no appeal for rest of Pakistan). There is a strong resentment against Mushy in Baluchistan and MQM stance will hurt it there too and the biggest blow-back will be that MQM's political mantra these days was that their mandate is not being respected - Musharraf support will take the air out this political stance as Musharraf committed an illegal coup against a 2/3rd majority party and showed a complete lack of respect for every political force.

MQM will repent this folly in the same way it repented on 12th May. This has again made them 'establishment's party' for all concerned, MQM is again on the wrong side of history (just like in Judge restoration), MQM is again isolating itself and the way Mush has behaved even Army is not going to back him up for long. The only thing MQM can do is to make it into a purely Mohajir cause and lose whatever appeal it has in non-mohajir areas.

 

[W.11]

MQM has already played the mohajir card and made Mushy more controversial as he had support in some non-muhajir segments. Secondly Army keeps miles away from etnic/ sectarian issues and MQM stance will only hurt pro-Musharraf element in Army.

MQM has done all it can, if it starts strikes or violence in Karachi its not going to effect Mush case one bit. After the embarrassment of 12th May this is another embarrassment MQM has created for itself. If Mushy goes scot free MQM will be blamed partly, if Mush is punished MQM won't be able to do anything outside Khi/ Hyderabad which are already its turf (Mush case has no appeal for rest of Pakistan). There is a strong resentment against Mushy in Baluchistan and MQM stance will hurt it there too and the biggest blow-back will be that MQM's political mantra these days was that their mandate is not being respected - Musharraf support will take the air out this political stance as Musharraf committed an illegal coup against a 2/3rd majority party and showed a complete lack of respect for every political party.
MQM will repent this folly in the same way it repented on 12th May.

how will MQM repent it? looks like children of ameer ul momineen maulvi nawaz ul haq rehmatullah is not giving proper thought on the chess game

only MQM has the guts to call a spade a spade, and demanded fair trial, MQM has made the voice about what was going to be a very biased trial a practical escape plan for nooras

MQM has now grabbed the establishment and ameer ul monineen's neck together and demanded fair trial entire pakistan knows it

as for your earlier comment about nooras getting mandate of the country, dude you guys are now really unpopular, on one hand MQM has moral victory after winning sindh high court ruling and you on the other hand are in very dismayed position

2014 will decide if you guys still remain in the govt

lets be real, you guys along with PTI, PPP etc are all children of same father you are going against, and instead of openly going against your father you guys are trying to hang just a poor child from another mother

 

[Slayer786]

Mushy-lovers should realise that he is fully and squarely responsible for the killing of more than a thousand Pak soldiers and many more maimed, thanks to his disastrous Kargil misadventure. A typical commando who was good in tactics but an utter failure in strategy.

Now go ask the wives and family members of those killed in the needless and badly planned Kargil operation that resulted in enormous casualties, whether they have forgotten Mush? They would probably curse him for the rest of their lives.

Well thats what you believe. It is an honor to die for your country. And for muslims it is a gateway to Heaven for us. If you watch the yearly Youme-Shuhada show you would see the parents of our shaheeds proudly claim that they are proud that their sons have sacrificed their lives for Pakistan and they would gladly give more sons.
And you worry about your thousands of Indian soldiers who died in Kargil Heights.

 

[Sedqal]

how will MQM repent it? looks like children of ameer ul momineen maulvi nawaz ul haq rehmatullah is not giving proper thought on the chess game

only MQM has the guts to call a spade a spade, and demanded fair trial, MQM has made the voice about what was going to be a very biased trial a practical escape plan for nooras

MQM has now grabbed the establishment and ameer ul monineen's neck together and demanded fair trial entire pakistan knows it

as for your earlier comment about nooras getting mandate of the country, dude you guys are now really unpopular, on one hand MQM has moral victory after winning sindh high court ruling and you on the other hand are in very dismayed position

2014 will decide if you guys still remain in the govt

Please abstain from personal attacks.

- This is not about guts, MQM knows full well that Musharraf is not being tried because he is Mohajir. If that was the case he wouldn't enjoy full army support for nearly a decade. PMLQ has supported Musharraf more then MQM (so Mohajir cause is really not going to fly outside of MQM supporters).

- Secondly MQM believes it has grabbed both the Army and ruling party with its 20 something seats and an influence limited to two cities? You are not thinking things through. MQM has grabbed nothing and its mistake of using Mohaji card on Musharraf has only made it worse. PMLN doesn't need MQM support for anything and if MQM thinks it can best the establishment than its making a grave mistake.

- PMLN is going strong, the rhetoric of TuQ has stopped, PTI has forgotten midterm elections and Army is not going to make things difficult for itself by a coup. Who is going to challenge PMLN?

- MQM loses every time it plays the Mohajir card, it limits itself to a specific votebank. You are forgetting that PMLN, PPPP, PTI and ANP are already against Musharraf and will support PMLN. Even the religious parties which were sponsored by Army are not going to help Mushraff politically. During Judges restoration movement the whole nation was behind CJ (right or wrong) and MQM isolated itself and lost (what exactly did it gain?) Now the whole nation is tired of constant dictatorships and MQM is again isolating itself for an issue which simply has no mass appeal.

 

[W.11]

the exploits of akram shaikh, musharraf's prosecutor, says, he caused a loss to PIA when he carried extra baggage free of chrage through PIA

 

[That Guy]

Oh please, this nostalgia for Dictator Musharraf is sickening. I know exactly what he did for Pakistan, he sold out Pakistan's sovereignty, he turned the military into a mercenary army, he's responsible for hundreds of deaths, overthrowing of the judiciary and the author has the audacity to ask "But then, who does not err? Is there any human that has never erred?"; Sir, I may have made mistakes in my life, but none of those include the murder and subjugation.

For shame anyone who says Musharraf was a righteous dictator, for shame anyone who thinks Pakistan was better under his rule, for shame anyone who wants him back.

@jaibi

I'm sort of back now, I won't be able to log on much, but more frequently.

it was a the than PM who was responsible for soldiers death.it was musharaf's strategy when pak soldiers occupied 300 km indian territory pak army could have won the war if politicians didn;t get into..

The war shouldn't have been started without civilian oversight in the first place. It's easy to blame the PM, but we Pakistanis tend to forget just how little control the civilian leadership has over the armed forces and just how little the military leadership tends to be honest with the civil leadership.

 

[Panther 57]

if he pesters courts too much they really will consider it (they have nothing to lose)

شیشے کے کھر میں رھنے والے کنکر تو پھینک سکتے ہیں مگر پتھر نہیںأ
The judges will first have to muster up inorganic waste within themselves before they get pestered and consider what you are suggesting. They have total absence of such type of waste I mentioned above.

 

[Sedqal]

شیشے کے کھر میں رھنے والے کنکر تو پھینک سکتے ہیں مگر پتھر نہیںأ
The judges will first have to muster up inorganic waste within themselves before they get pestered and consider what you are suggesting. They have total absence of such type of waste I mentioned above.

Your every bluff has been called the this judiciary - they have started cases against the ex-COAS and in missing person cases they have already called upon serving Army officers. Musharraf will only become a headache for Army, courts have nothing to fear. Judges have shown far greater 'inorganic waste' then generals till now.

You perhaps don't know that during judges restoration movement lawyers seriously considered stop taking any cases from ex-service men, do you have any idea what would happen if such a step is taken by lawyer community? Army can't play God, it is also dependent on different segments of society.