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General Raheel Shareef to induct retired Lt Generals and other Military Officers for Saudi Alliance

Afghan future really lies as a province of Pakistan , managed and controlled forever.
Allowing civilians to live their lives normally away from war

Other then that , for the role for General Raheel , I was curious in NATO do the generals who take command are they on active duties with their respective countries or they retire first before taking command of NATO etc

I personally thought only an active serving Person would take command in NATO on behalf of their country as a representative (or selected choice amoung the peers)

The regional Joint Force , would be ideal from stand point of controlling Terrorism spread regionally , and makes sense as the regional forces would be better equipped to tackle the issue

However since no one really posted any official news , it is pure specualation at this point

Seems like NATO has this gentleman as head (My assumption title says he is deputy may be there is a guy over him may be ? )
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adrian_Bradshaw

He seems to have 2 roles
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So that show the point I was trying to make if you are gona be Honorary Commander of this Joint force (34 Nation alliance against terrorism) , why not just become field marshal with Army and hold 2 roles

a) Field Marshal (Representing Pakistan)
b) Commander of Joint Force
 
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Azerbaijan is a shia country and will become part of alliance soon....Sorry...your propaganda of claiming this alliance a Sunni alliance, failed...

Wahabi force?? hahahaha....Are you mad or what? Majority of Pakistanis and Turks are not wahabis....By the way...I have no grudge against Wahabis...They are our fellow Muslim brothers and Pakistan has no problem with them...

@lastofthepatriots @Suff Shikan

Making 20% Shia population angry? Are U stupid? Why did you bring sectarian mindset into pure geopolitical thing? Iran taught you this? Your argument will only be accepted if Iran gets nuked or attacked...This alliance will help war torn countries to get stabilize...

When taliban were getting killed by Pakistan Army...No deobandi gets angry (Talibans were deobandi)...Terrorists are terrorists without any discrimination of sect...If Shia terrorists are going to be killed then no right exists for Shias to get angry...Period.

Gilgit Baltistan is the most peaceful town in Pakistan...If Iranians try to make trouble over there...LEAs and Army will screw them badly...

People have no right to dictate foreign policy...U can criticize all you want but creating trouble will make you traitor in eyes of rest of countrymen...Sectarian people have no place in Pakistan...The better they realize the better it would be...

Pakistan will definitely get support from these countries regarding Kashmir, don't know about other regions...Thats for sure...

May Allah help General Raheel to stabilize war torn countries with the help of the respective governments...

This alliance is anti terrorism not anti Iran...KSA made this alliance because they hold the power to do so...Nobody will mind if Iran also make an alliance...Iran should also make an alliance of countries instead of crying...

Iran should mind its own business..Iranians have no business in Pakistan-Arab relations....Just like Pakistan don't mind India-Iran relations...Iran should mind its own business...

I m done, here...



To secure our interests by helping ME countries in getting stabilize...



Bro....I just can't believe this...Look at their hatred towards KSA....I salute my Sunni brethren that despite we have so many reservations regarding Iran, we as a nation never harmed our fellow Shias...There is no hatred for Shias in hearts of Pakistanis...We as a nation are very open minded when it comes to sects/diversity...

This is all geopolitics and common people are like toys to get used and then thrown away...

People can criticize all they want but have no right to threaten own country for sake of Mullah Iran...I hate guys who do it....

We should support our LEAs in fighting against trouble makers of our country...

Their hypocrisy always get revealed so easily...Blaming wahabis for violence but then showing anger and threatening violence themselves, if their poor Iran is touched...

I always think that whenever this coalition news comes in, why suddenly Iranian boot lickers get worry and butt hurt...This coalition is anti terrorism...not anti Iran...OR...They themselves prove that yes It is Iran who is using its proxies/terrorism to destabilize Yemen, Bahrain and other Middle Eastern countries...If Iran is not using terrorism, then they shouldn't worry about...

F**k Iranian double face hypocrites bootlickers.......

My advice to all members, please instead of falling in trap of trolls and hypocrites...please have a constructive debate about how can we maximize our influence in Middle East and get their support economically, politically and strategically...

Why u have tagged me in that reply?
Kindly find me a shia , the pure one not manipulated... If he condemns Shia terrorists of Hizbulshaitan,Sipah e Muhammad, Mukhtar Force, Iran being supporter of massacre in Syria and Iraq, I will stop righting against Shias.
 
Afghan future really lies as a province of Pakistan , managed and controlled forever.
Allowing civilians to live their lives normally away from war

Other then that , for the role for General Raheel , I was curious in NATO do the generals who take command are they on active duties with their respective countries or they retire first before taking command of NATO etc

I personally thought only an active serving Person would take command in NATO on behalf of their country as a representative (or selected choice amoung the peers)

The regional Joint Force , would be ideal from stand point of controlling Terrorism spread regionally , and makes sense as the regional forces would be better equipped to tackle the issue

However since no one really posted any official news , it is pure specualation at this point

Seems like NATO has this gentleman as head (My assumption title says he is deputy may be there is a guy over him may be ? )
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adrian_Bradshaw

He seems to have 2 roles
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So that show the point I was trying to make if you are gona be Honorary Commander of this Joint force (34 Nation alliance against terrorism) , why not just become field marshal with Army and hold 2 roles

a) Field Marshal (Representing Pakistan)
b) Commander of Joint Force

This will mean official representation of Pakistan armed forces...On duty officers . May be they want to give that impression....To make this type of alliances states/governments has to be involved with each other...
 
Afghan future really lies as a province of Pakistan , managed and controlled forever.

That's pretty ambitious. Wonder if the Afghans think the same way about Pakistan. No doubt that would open up a few more warlord-vacancies (got to love that word).

I was curious in NATO do the generals who take command are they on active duties with their respective countries or they retire first before taking command of NATO etc

NATO has a civilian secretariat under a Secretary General and there is also a unified military command to which all members contribute some troops. The military commander, by custom always from the US, is an active-duty officer. The Secretary-General is usually a politician / former bureaucrat or military officer and is a civilian position.

I'm more than a bit puzzled by this news item. Why would a recently retired officer, the de facto ruler of Pakistan, so popular at home, take up such a position? Surely he doesn't need the money.

For that matter I'm curious why Pakistanis (at least the ruling lot who make the news) are so obsessed with the Arabs of the gulf states and especially the Saudis. Then there was this other news of Bajwa heading there last month immediately after his appointment - lessens the dignity of the office IMO.
 
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That's pretty ambitious. Wonder if the Afghan's think the same way about Pakistan. No doubt that would open up a few more warlord-vacancies (got to love that word).



NATO has a civilian secretariat under a Secretary General and there is also a unified military command to which all members contribute some troops. The military commander, by custom always from the US, is an active-duty officer. The Secretary-General is usually a politician / former bureaucrat or military officer and is a civilian position.

I'm more than a bit puzzled by this news item. Why would a recently retired officer, the de facto ruler of Pakistan, so popular at home, take up such a position? Surely he doesn't need the money.

For that matter I'm curious why Pakistanis (at least the ruling lot who make the news) are so obsessed with the Arabs of the gulf states and especially the Saudis. Then there was this other news of Bajwa heading there last month immediately after his appointment - lessens the dignity of the office IMO.


We asked the Afghan delegation their thoughts in the last meeting and they had no complaints
China - Russia - Pakistan attended
 
I am all for profiting from this conflict if we had a population that wouldn't get influenced by the hateful sectarian ideologies of these countries.

But sadly this is not the case here... Pakistanis have been killing fellow Pakistanis just to please their foreign masters.

One thing is also there is absolutely no parity btw the violence commited by Saudi backed Wahabi/deobandi groups in Pakistan and their Shia counterparts backed by Iran. The LeJ types take the cake by a long long margin.

Not only have the Saudi backed groups being involved in murdering innocent Shias who have nothing to do with the conflict...Case in point


https://www.google.com.au/amp/natio...t-dead-in-lahore/amp?client=ms-android-huawei

But that hateful ideology is the one that is responsible for the murder of 60000 Pakistani civilians and armed forces.


Plus it is just not Shias who are on their radar. This happened just about two month ago in Balochistan.
http://www.dawn.com/news/1296019
 
See this development in the light of whatever is happening in the ME and it's implications on the future of ME.
If such a military alliance works, then who better to lead it other than Pakistan Army.

Pakistan being the only nation with Nuclear weapons and PA's experience & standards, make it an obvious choice to lead any such Islamic Military alliance.

Don't get bogged down in individuals, that who should go and who shouldn't.
this is the future which is unfolding itself.

Saud Family has it's own fears which will eventually become true soon enough,
Pakistan will take the lead to protect Makkah & Madinah.
 
Pakistan being the only nation with Nuclear weapons and PA's experience & standards, make it an obvious choice to lead any such Islamic Military alliance.

Don't get bogged down in individuals, that who should go and who shouldn't.
this is the future which is unfolding itself.

Pakistan will take the lead to protect Makkah & Madinah.

I asked only a generic question - as to why such a high ranking individual accustomed to no boss but himself would accept such a position after retirement. Even staging a coup is more honorable :p:

As to 'taking a lead' would you be comfortable if your son, brother or father died or was wounded in the middle east fighting for a nation other than your own, for people who don't exactly hold you in high esteem. How do you think Raheel would be treated if he was not the former army chief? Not much better than the thousands of unfortunate Pakistanis (and Indians) who tolerate the shabby treatment they get in the gulf to feed their families. And you'd give up your life for such people.
 
I had a chance to talk to one of the serving general and he said that they are not forming an army they are just forming a strategic analyst team and they will be advisers team who will analyse and will advise and suggest the possible ways to cope with the situations in military way to the countries in the in the alliance. In the end they are just advisers there is no army army formed in alliance that Gen Raheel or anyone else is going to command.
 
Gen Raheel shoudnt get involved in this mess and plsss dont think that Pakistan is the protector of Makkah & Madinah ... Please come out of this falsehood that we some how can defend muslim land or something ... have u not read Surah Fil in Quran?? read it below with its tafsir :

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A Summary of the Story of the People of the Elephant

This is the story of the people of the Elephant, in brief, and summarized. It has already been mentioned in the story of the People of the Ditch that Dhu Nuas, the last king of Himyar, a polytheist -- was the one who ordered killing the People of the Ditch. They were Christians and their number was approximately twenty thousand. None of them except a man named Daws Dhu Tha`laban escaped. He fled to Ash-Sham where he sought protection from Caesar, the emperor of Ash-Sham, who was also a Christian. Caesar wrote to An-Najashi, the king of Ethiopia (Abyssinia), who was closer to the home of the man. An-Najashi sent two governors with him: Aryat and Abrahah bin As-Sabah Abu Yaksum, along with a great army. The army entered Yemen and began searching the houses and looting in search of the king of Himyar (Dhu Nuwas). Dhu Nuwas was eventually killed by drowning in the sea. Thus, the Ethiopians were free to rule Yemen, with Aryat and Abrahah as its governors. However, they continually disagreed about matters, attacked each other, fought each other and warred against each other, until one of them said to the other, "There is no need for our two armies to fight. Instead let us fight each other (in a duel) and the one who kills the other will be the ruler of Yemen.'' So the other accepted the challenge and they held a duel. Behind each man was a channel of water (to keep either from fleeing). Aryat gained the upper hand and struck Abrahah with his sword, splitting his nose and mouth, and slashing his face. But `Atawdah, Abrahah's guard, attacked Aryat and killed him. Thus, Abrahah returned wounded to Yemen where he was treated for his injuries and recovered. He thus became the commander of the Abyssinian army in Yemen.

Then the king of Abyssinia, An-Najashi wrote to him, blaming him for what had happened (between him and Aryat) and threatened him, saying that he swore to tread on the soil of Yemen and cut off his forelock. Therefore, Abrahah sent a messenger with gifts and precious objects to An-Najashi to appease him and flatter him, and a sack containing soil from Yemen and a piece of hair cut from his forelock. He said in his letter to the king, "Let the king walk upon this soil and thus fulfill his oath, and this is my forelock hair that I send to you.'' When An-Najashi received this, he was pleased with Abrahah and gave him his approval. Then Abrahah wrote to An-Najashi saying that he would build a church for him in Yemen the like of which had never been built before. Thus, he began to build a huge church in San`a', tall and beautifully crafted and decorated on all sides. The Arabs called it Al-Qullays because of its great height, and because if one looked at it, his cap would be in danger of falling off as he tilted his head back. Then Abrahah Al-Ashram decided to force the Arabs to make their pilgrimage to this magnificent church, just as they had performed pilgrimage to the Ka`bah in Makkah. He announced this in his kingdom (Yemen), but it was rejected by the Arab tribes of `Adnan and Qahtan. The Quraysh were infuriated by it, so much so that one of them journeyed to the church and entered it one night. He then relieved himself in the church and ran away (escaping the people). When its custodians saw what he had done, they reported it to their king, Abrahah, saying; "One of the Quraysh has done this in anger over their House in whose place you have appointed this church.'' Upon hearing this, Abrahah swore to march to the House of Makkah (the Ka`bah) and destroy it stone by stone. Muqatil bin Sulayman mentioned that a group of young men from the Quraysh entered the church and started a fire in it on an extremely windy day. So the church caught on fire and collapsed to the ground. Due to this Abrahah prepared himself and set out with a huge and powerful army so that none might prevent him from carrying out his mission. He took along a great, powerful elephant that had a huge body the like of which had never been seen before. This elephant was called Mahmud and it was sent to Abrahah from An-Najashi, the king of Abyssinia, particularly for this expedition. It has also been said that he had eight other elephants with him; their number was also reported to be twelve, plus the large one, Mahmud -- and Allah knows best. Their intention was to use this big elephant to demolish the Ka`bah. They planned to do this by fastening chains to the pillars of the Ka`bah and placing the other ends around the neck of the elephant. Then they would make the elephant pull on them in order to tear down the walls of the Ka`bah all at one time. When the Arabs heard of Abrahah's expedition, they considered it an extremely grave matter. They held it to be an obligation upon them to defend the Sacred House and repel whoever intended a plot against it. Thus, the noblest man of the people of Yemen and the greatest of their chiefs set out to face him (Abrahah). His name was Dhu Nafr. He called his people, and whoever would respond to his call among the Arabs, to go to war against Abrahah and fight in defense of the Sacred House. He called the people to stop Abrahah's plan to demolish and tear down the Ka`bah. So the people responded to him and they entered into battle with Abrahah, but he defeated them. This was due to Allah's will and His intent to honor and venerate the Ka`bah.

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Dhu Nafr was captured and taken along with the army of Abrahah.

The army continued on its way until it came to the land of Khath`am where it was confronted by Nufayl bin Habib Al-Kath`ami along with his people, the Shahran and Nahis tribes. They fought Abrahah but he defeated them and captured Nufayl bin Habib. Initially he wanted to kill him, but he forgave him and took him as his guide to show him the way to Al-Hijaz.

When they approached the area of At-Ta'if, its people -- the people of Thaqif -- went out to Abrahah. They wanted to appease him because they were fearful for their place of worship, which they called Al-Lat. Abrahah was kind to them and they sent a man named Abu Righal with him as a guide. When they reached a place known as Al-Mughammas, which is near Makkah, they settled there. Then he sent his troops on a foray to capture the camels and other grazing animals of the Makkans, which they did, including about two hundred camels belonging to `Abdul-Muttalib. The leader of this particular expedition was a man named Al-Aswad bin Mafsud. According to what Ibn Ishaq mentioned, some of the Arabs used to satirize him (because of the part he played in this historical in this historical incident). Then Abrahah sent an emissary named Hanatah Al-Himyari to enter Makkah, commanding him to bring the head of the Quraysh to him. He also commanded him to inform him that the king will not fight the people of Makkah unless they try to prevent him from the destruction of the Ka`bah. Hanatah went to the city and he was directed to `Abdul-Muttalib bin Hashim, to whom he relayed Abrahah's message. `Abdul-Muttalib replied, "By Allah! We have no wish to fight him, nor are we in any position to do so. This is the Sacred House of Allah, and the house of His Khalil, Ibrahim, and if He wishes to prevent him (Abrahah) from (destroying) it, it is His House and His Sacred Place (to do so). And if He lets him approach it, by Allah, We have no means to defend it from him.'' So Hanatah told him, "Come with me to him (Abrahah).'' And so `Abdul-Muttalib went with him. When Abrahah saw him, he was impressed by him, because `Abdul-Muttalib was a large and handsome man. So Abrahah descended from his seat and sat with him on a carpet on the ground. Then he asked his translator to say to him, "What do you need'' `Abdul-Muttalib replied to the translator, "I want the king to return my camels which he has taken from me which are two hundred in number.'' Abrahah then told his translator to tell him, "I was impressed by you when I first saw you, but now I withdraw from you after you have spoken to me. You are asking me about two hundred camels which I have taken from you and you leave the matter of a house which is (the foundation of) religion and the religion of your fathers, which I have come to destroy and you do not speak to me about it'' `Abdul-Muttalib said to him, "Verily, I am the lord of the camels. As for the House, it has its Lord Who will defend it.'' Abrahah said, "I cannot be prevented (from destroying it).'' `Abdul-Muttalib answered, "Then do so.'' It is said that a number of the chiefs of the Arabs accompanied `Abdul-Muttalib and offered Abrahah a third of the wealth of the tribe of Tihamah if he would withdraw from the House, but he refused and returned `Abdul-Muttalib's camels to him. `Abdul-Muttalib then returned to his people and ordered them to leave Makkah and seek shelter at the top of the mountains, fearful of the excesses which might be committed by the army against them. Then he took hold of the metal ring of the door of the Ka`bah, and along with a number of Quraysh, he called upon Allah to give them victory over Abrahah and his army. `Abdul-Muttalib said, while hanging on to the ring of the Ka`bah's door, "There is no matter more important to any man right now than the defense of his livestock and property. So, O my Lord! Defend Your property. Their cross and their cunning will not be victorious over your cunning by the time morning comes.'' According to Ibn Ishaq, then `Abdul-Muttalib let go of the metal ring of the door of the Ka`bah, and they left Makkah and ascended to the mountains tops. Muqatil bin Sulayman mentioned that they left one hundred animals (camels) tied near the Ka`bah hoping that some of the army would take some of them without a right to do so, and thus bring about the vengeance of Allah upon themselves.

When morning came, Abrahah prepared to enter the sacred city of Makkah. He prepared the elephant named Mahmud. He mobilized his army, and they turned the elephant towards the Ka`bah. At that moment Nufayl bin Habib approached it and stood next to it, and taking it by its ear, he said, "Kneel, Mahmud! Then turn around and return directly to whence you came. For verily, you are in the Sacred City of Allah.'' Then he released the elephant's ear and it knelt, after which Nufayl bin Habib left and hastened to the mountains. Abrahah's men beat the elephant in an attempt to make it rise, but it refused. They beat it on its head with axes and used hooked staffs to pull it out of its resistance and make it stand, but it refused. So they turned him towards Yemen, and he rose and walked quickly. Then they turned him towards Ash-Sham and he did likewise. Then they turned him towards the east and he did the same thing. Then they turned him towards Makkah and he knelt down again. Then Allah sent against them the birds from the sea, like swallows and herons. Each bird carried three stones the size of chickpeas and lentils, one in each claw and one in its beak. Everyone who was hit by them was destroyed, though not all of them were hit. They fled in panic along the road asking about the whereabouts of Nufayl that he might point out to them the way home. Nufayl, however, was at the top of the mountain with the Quraysh and the Arabs of the Hijaz observing the wrath which Allah had caused to descend on the people of the elephant. Nufayl then began to say, "Where will they flee when the One True God is the Pursuer For Al-Ashram is defeated and not the victor. Ibn Ishaq reported that Nufayl said these lines of poetry at that time,

"Didn't you live with continued support We favored you all with a revolving eye in the morning (i.e., a guide along the way). If you saw, but you did not see it at the side of the rock covered mountain that which we saw. Then you will excuse me and praise my affair, and do not grieve over what is lost between us. I praised Allah when I saw the birds, and I feared that the stones might be thrown down upon us. So all the people are asking about the whereabouts of Nufayl, as if I have some debt that I owe the Abyssinians.'' `Ata' bin Yasar and others have said that all of them were not struck by the torment at this hour of retribution. Rather some of them were destroyed immediately, while others were gradually broken down limb by limb while trying to escape. Abrahah was of those who was broken down limb by limb until he eventually died in the land of Khath`am. Ibn Ishaq said that they left (Makkah) being struck down and destroyed along every path and at every water spring. Abrahah's body was afflicted by the pestilence of the stones and his army carried him away with them as he was falling apart piece by piece, until they arrived back in San`a'. When they arrived there he was but like the baby chick of a bird. And he did not die until his heart fell out of his chest. So they claim. Ibn Ishaq said that when Allah sent Muhammad with the prophethood, among the things that he used to recount to the Quraysh as blessings that Allah had favored them with of His bounties, was His defending them from the attack of the Abyssinians. Due to this they (the Quraysh) were allowed to remain (safely in Makkah) for a period of time. Thus, Allah said,

﴿أَلَمْ تَرَ كَيْفَ فَعَلَ رَبُّكَ بِأَصْحَـبِ الْفِيلِ - أَلَمْ يَجْعَلْ كَيْدَهُمْ فِى تَضْلِيلٍ - وَأَرْسَلَ عَلَيْهِمْ طَيْراً أَبَابِيلَ - تَرْمِيهِم بِحِجَارَةٍ مِّن سِجِّيلٍ - فَجَعَلَهُمْ كَعَصْفٍ مَّأْكُولِ ﴾

(Have you not seen how your Lord dealt with the Owners of the Elephant Did He not make their plot go astray And He sent against them birds, in flocks (Ababil). Striking them with stones of Sijjil. And He made them like `Asf, Ma'kul.)

﴿لإِيلَـفِ قُرَيْشٍ - إِيلَـفِهِمْ رِحْلَةَ الشِّتَآءِ وَالصَّيْفِ - فَلْيَعْبُدُواْ رَبَّ هَـذَا الْبَيْتِ - الَّذِى أَطْعَمَهُم مِّن جُوعٍ وَءَامَنَهُم مِّنْ خوْفٍ ﴾

(For the Ilaf of the Quraysh, their Ilaf caravans, in winter and in summer. So, let them worship the Lord of this House, Who has fed them against hunger, and has made them safe from fear.) (106:1-4) meaning, that Allah would not alter their situation because Allah wanted good for them if they accepted Him. Ibn Hisham said, "Al-Ababil are the groups, as the Arabs do not speak of just one (bird).'' He also said, "As for As-Sijjil, Yunus An-Nahwi and Abu `Ubaydah have informed me that according to the Arabs, it means something hard and solid.'' He then said, "Some of the commentators have mentioned that it is actually two Persian words that the Arabs have made into one word. The two words are Sanj and Jil, Sanj meaning stones, and Jil meaning clay. The rocks are of these two types: stone and clay.'' He continued saying, "Al-`Asf are the leaves of the crops that are not gathered. One of them is called `Asfah.'' This is the end of what he mentioned. Hammad bin Salamah narrated from `Asim, who related from Zirr, who related from `Abdullah and Abu Salamah bin `Abdur-Rahman that they said,

﴿طَيْراً أَبَابِيلَ﴾

(birds Ababil.) "In groups.'' Ibn `Abbas and Ad-Dahhak both said, "Ababil means some of them following after others.'' Al-Hasan Al-Basri and Qatadah both said, "Ababil means many.'' Mujahid said, "Ababil means in various, successive groups.'' Ibn Zayd said, "Ababil means different, coming from here and there. They came upon them from everywhere.'' Al-Kasa'i said, "I heard some of the grammarians saying, "The singular of Ababil is Ibil.'' Ibn Jarir recorded from Ishaq bin `Abdullah bin Al-Harith bin Nawfal that he said concerning Allah's statement,

﴿وَأَرْسَلَ عَلَيْهِمْ طَيْراً أَبَابِيلَ ﴾

(And He sent against them birds, Ababil.) "This means in divisions just as camels march in divisions (in their herds).'' It is reported that Ibn `Abbas said,

﴿وَأَرْسَلَ عَلَيْهِمْ طَيْراً أَبَابِيلَ ﴾

(And He sent against them birds, Ababil.) "They had snouts like the beaks of birds and paws like the paws of dogs.'' It has been reported that `Ikrimah said commenting on Allah's statement,

﴿طَيْراً أَبَابِيلَ﴾

(birds, Ababil.) "They were green birds that came out of the sea and they had heads like the heads of predatory animals.'' It has been reported from `Ubayd bin `Umayr that he commented:

﴿طَيْراً أَبَابِيلَ﴾

(birds, Ababil.) "They were black birds of the sea that had stones in their beaks and claws.'' And the chains of narration (for these statements) are all authentic. It is reported from `Ubayd bin `Umayr that he said, "When Allah wanted to destroy the People of the Elephant, he sent birds upon them that came from sea swallows. Each of the birds was carrying three small stones -- two stones with its feet and one stone in its beak. They came until they gathered in rows over their heads. Then they gave a loud cry and threw what was in their claws and beaks. Thus, no stone fell upon the head of any man except that it came out of his behind (i.e., it went through him), and it did not fall on any part of his body except that it came out from the opposite side. Then Allah sent a severe wind that struck the stones and increased them in force. Thus, they were all destroyed.''

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Concerning Allah's statement,

﴿فَجَعَلَهُمْ كَعَصْفٍ مَّأْكُولِ ﴾

(And He made them like `Asf, Ma'kul.) Sa`id bin Jubayr said, "This means straw, which the common people call Habbur.'' In a report from Sa`id he said, "The leaves of wheat.'' He also said, "Al-`Asf is straw, and Al-Ma'kul refers to the fodder that is cut for animals.'' Al-Hasan Al-Basri said the same thing. Ibn `Abbas said, "Al-`Asf is the shell of the grain, just like the covering of wheat.'' Ibn Zayd said, "Al-`Asf are the leaves of vegetation and produce. When the cattle eat it they defecate it out and it becomes dung.'' The meaning of this is that Allah destroyed them, annihilated them and repelled them in their plan and their anger. They did not achieve any good. He made a mass destruction of them, and not one of them returned (to their land) to relate what happened except that he was wounded. This is just like what happened to their king, Abrahah. For indeed he was split open, exposing his heart when he reached his land of San`a'. He informed the people of what happened to them and then he died. His son Yaksum became the king after him, and then Yaksum's brother, Masruq bin Abrahah succeeded him. Then Sayf bin Dhi Yazan Al-Himyari went to Kisra (the king of Persia) and sought his help against the Abyssinians. Therefore, Kisra dispatched some of his army with Sayf Al-Himyari to fight with him against the Abyssinians. Thus, Allah returned their kingdom to them (i.e., the Arabs of Yemen) along with all the sovereignty their fathers possessed. Then large delegations of Arabs came to him (Sayf Al-Himyari) to congratulate him for their victory. We have mentioned previously in the Tafsir of Surat Al-Fath that when the Messenger of Allah approached the mountain pass that would lead him to the Quraysh on the Day of Al-Hudaybiyyah, his she-camel knelt down. Then the people attempted to make her get up but she refused. So, the people said, "Al-Qaswa' has become stubborn.'' The Prophet replied,

«مَا خَلَأَتِ الْقَصْوَاءُ، وَمَا ذَاكَ لَهَا بِخُلُقٍ، وَلَكِنْ حَبَسَهَا حَابِسُ الْفِيل»

(Al-Qaswa' has not become stubborn, for that is not part of her character. Rather, she has been stopped by He Who restrained the Elephant (of Abrahah).) Then he said,

«وَالَّذِي نَفْسِي بِيَدِهِ لَا يَسْأَلُونِّي الْيَوْمَ خُطَّةً يُعَظِّمُونَ فِيهَا حُرُمَاتِ اللهِ إِلَّا أَجَبْتُهُمْ إِلَيْهَا»

(I swear by He in Whose Hand is my soul, they (the Quraysh) will not ask me for any matter (of the treaty) in which the sacred things of Allah are honored except that I will agree with them on it.) Then he beckoned the she-camel to rise and she stood up. This Hadith is of those that Al-Bukhari was alone in recording. It has been recorded in the Two Sahihs that on the Day of the conquest of Makkah, the Messenger of Allah said,

«إِنَّ اللهَ حَبَسَ عَنْ مَكَّةَ الْفِيلَ، وَسَلَّطَ عَلَيْهَا رَسُولَهُ وَالْمُؤْمِنِينَ، وَإِنَّهُ قَدْ عَادَتْ حُرْمَتُهَا الْيَوْمَ كَحُرْمَتِهَا بِالْأَمْسِ، أَلَا فَلْيُبَلِّغِ الشَّاهِدُ الْغَائِب»

(Verily, Allah restrained the Elephant from Makkah, and He has given His Messenger and the believers authority over it. And indeed its sacredness has returned just as it was sacred yesterday. So, let those who are present inform those who are absent. ) This is the end of the Tafsir of Surat Al-Fil, and all praise and thanks are due to Allah.

http://www.qtafsir.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1079&Itemid=161
 
I had a chance to talk to one of the serving general and he said that they are not forming an army they are just forming a strategic analyst team and they will be advisers team who will analyse and will advise and suggest the possible ways to cope with the situations in military way to the countries in the in the alliance. In the end they are just advisers there is no army army formed in alliance that Gen Raheel or anyone else is going to command.

So there is no unified army at all....in this alliance? Or Gen Raheel Sharif is not going to lead this army(if there is one) and he will be just an adviser to this army, and not leading It? Or only a set of advisers it is...and no army at all? Sorry i got confused with ur reply...
And this alliance will be seperate from the army tht is fighting in yemen, and alliance will not have any ground troops?
 
I am generally ok with the news :pakistan:


Would be nice to see Commander in Action :enjoy:
The whole ababil was in different context

Seems like a smart thing to do to help enhance cooperation between regional countries
Specially involving Pakistan and Turkey

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Bold initiative to help enhance security in region

Look forward to commencement date when we can see General Sahib in new Attire and uniform

If it happens it would be a wonderful ocassion for the various countries part of the United coalition against Terrorism

And hopefully we will see more enhanced economic ties with GCC/ North African and Asian countries

  • And certainly lot of joint cooperation / training in various fields (military / navy and airforce)
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The joint training / cooperation excercise was certainly a very wonderful initiative
Nice to see the gathering involved so many Leaders from so many different regional partners
 
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So there is no unified army at all....in this alliance? Or Gen Raheel Sharif is not going to lead this army(if there is one) and he will be just an adviser to this army, and not leading It? Or only a set of advisers it is...and no army at all? Sorry i got confused with ur reply...
And this alliance will be seperate from the army tht is fighting in yemen, and alliance will not have any ground troops?

This is exactly how I reacted to his reply, he said that people are thinking like we have formed a nato kind of force to fight for Islam and muslims in different countries. This is totally wrong, we are right at this moment not in the condition and dont have the mutual understanding and cooperation between the countries required to form this kind of force.

Now what I think and hope is that maybe after this in future we will form this kind of army but not at this moment. But the thing is our army is already making Pakistan Feel Proud because we are the forming stones of the alliance :pakistan:
 
Yeah we are forming a Joing Military Force , and Raheel Sharif will be the Commander for that force it was decied last time when the joint force had their first training session last year

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After terrorist attacks in Medina , the force was a logical move

The future is already here


If we look at present status of world our part of the world

Turkey has bombings happening
Pakistan gets random stuff now and then , we worked real hard to curb things
Syria (we all know the story)
Iraq (mess)
Libya (mess)
Egypt (Well ... you know they had their moment)

So I think it is appropriate to have a organization to tackle Terrorism menace
 
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I wish he brings General Tariq Khan.

Sorry ! I know Gen Tariq Khan and he is smart enough NOT to be part of such stupidity as to divide Muslims among global Sunni and Shia Armies !

Division runs deep...and is specific to one country....otherwise everything is fine.
 

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