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Hmm. What if Egyptian Army tactics were interpreted as heavy handed by Islamists? That could mobilize enough people for an insurgency. Keep in mind it only takes several thousand people to keep an insurgency going for decades (PKK for example)

Poke the Lion enough it's going to get pissed.

Turkey got unlucky with the PKK able to walk into Syria, Iraq, Iran.

Where are the 'Islamists' going to go? Sinai? Israel wouldnt mind letting an extra Egyptian Brigade into Sinai to search and kill.

Lets keep in mind that the Egyptian Intelligence Services have a handle on the situation.
 
Thəorətic Muslim;4479026 said:
Poke the Lion enough it's going to get pissed.

Turkey got unlucky with the PKK able to walk into Syria, Iraq, Iran.

Where are the 'Islamists' going to go? Sinai? Israel wouldnt mind letting an extra Egyptian Brigade into Sinai to search and kill.

Lets keep in mind that the Egyptian Intelligence Services have a handle on the situation.

Not that they can walk into Syria, Iraq, Iran. It's that they were allowed and encouraged by said countries. You don't think Israel would be fine by Egypt being weakened by a civil war?
 
This is the plan, which is to destroy every Army close to Israel, that is Syria, Egypt, and Hezbollah... now Israel can destroy Egypt without war, just economically... so no war in Egypt.. unless terrorists MB start killing and bombing others as they threatened...
 
Not that they can walk into Syria, Iraq, Iran. It's that they were allowed and encouraged by said countries. You don't think Israel would be fine by Egypt being weakened by a civil war?

Israel is trying to maintain their 'restrictions' on Gaza. They dont need to weaken Egypt with an active insurgency, when the Egyptian media is doing it for free.
 
Israel&USA always meddle in our countries, look at how many coups they have supported, wars started/supported, they hold a responsibility in all this destruction.
 
Egyptian Society is a strong Society with a lot of Culture and Scholars. There is a danger of Civil War because there are unruly mobs in Egypt. Let us not forget what happened in Port Said over a football match and 79 people died. It can get crazy but lets hope cooler heads prevail.

BTW, those thugs in Port Said were secular freaks and not Muslim Brotherhood , so this knee jerk propaganda against MB is uncalled for.
 
Army concern about the way President Mohamed Morsi was governing Egypt reached tipping point when the head of state attended a rally packed with hardline fellow Islamists calling for holy war in Syria, military sources have said.

At the June 15th rally, Sunni Muslim clerics used the word “infidels” to denounce both the Shias fighting to protect Syrian president Bashar al-Assad and the non-Islamists that oppose Mr Morsi at home.

Mr Morsi himself called for foreign intervention in Syria against Mr Assad, leading to a veiled rebuke from the army, which issued an apparently bland but sharp-edged statement the next day stressing that its only role was guarding Egypt’s borders.

“The armed forces were very alarmed by the Syrian conference at a time the state was going through a major political crisis,” said one officer, whose comments reflected remarks made privately by other army staff. He was speaking on condition of anonymity because he was not permitted to talk to the media.

Crippling flaw

The controversy surrounding the Syria conference pointed to a crippling flaw in the Morsi presidency: though the constitution names Mr Morsi as supreme commander of the armed forces, the military remains master of its own destiny and a rival source of authority to the country’s first freely elected head of state.

The army’s dramatic ultimatum demanding Mr Morsi and other politicians settle their differences by tomorrow afternoon caught the presidency completely off guard. Triggered by mass protests against Mr Morsi’s rule, it amounted to a soft coup by a military that has been a major recipient of US aid since the 1970s, when Egypt made peace with neighbouring Israel.

The army has cited the need to avoid bloodshed as its main motivation. It is also worried by other major problems facing Egypt, including an economic crisis that has wiped out more than a tenth of the value of the currency this year, making it harder for the state to import fuel and food.

Speaking on the eve of the protests, the president had dismissed the idea that the army would take control again.

If Mr Morsi was aware of irritation in the army, he chose to ignore it, believing his mandate as Egypt’s democratically elected leader gave him licence to make policy the way elected leaders do elsewhere in the world.

For the army, the Syria rally had crossed “a national security red line” by encouraging Egyptians to fight abroad, risking creating a new generation of jihadists, said Yasser El-Shimy, analyst with the International Crisis Group.

At the heart of the military’s concern is the history of militant Islam in Egypt, homeland of al-Qaeda leader Ayman al-Zawahri. The military source condemned recent remarks made by “retired terrorists” allied to Mr Morsi, who has deepened his ties with the once-armed group al-Gamaa al-Islamiya.


Speaking privately, officers in the secular-leaning military have said Egyptians did not want a religious state. Though the Brotherhood never said it wanted to set up a theocracy, such concerns reflect the army’s long-standing suspicion towards a movement banned by army rulers in 1954.

In public, Mr Morsi and the army have kept up appearances. The presidency has moved repeatedly to quash rumours of tensions with the generals.

Economic empire

And the constitution signed into law by Mr Morsi late last year protects the interests of the military, which oversees a sprawling economic empire that produces everything from bottled water to tablet computers.

“The presidency didn’t perceive the military as a threat,” added Shimy of the International Crisis Group.

The current head of the armed forces, General Abdel Fattah al-Sisi, was appointed by Mr Morsi in his second month in office after he sent into retirement Field Marshal Hussein Tantawi, Mr Mubarak’s defence minister for two decades.

Twenty years Tantawi’s junior, Gen al-Sisi was promoted from the position of military intelligence director. Analysts have described it as an arrangement that suited both Mr Morsi and a younger generation of army commanders seeking promotion.

He was trained in the United States and Britain, like many officers in an army that receives $1.3 billion (€1 billion) in military aid a year from Washington.

While saying the army was out of politics, Gan al-Sisi has repeatedly called on Egypt’s feuding politicians to settle their differences. In December, he chaired unity talks to ease tensions ignited by a decree that expanded Mr Morsi’s powers.

Earlier this year, Gen al-Sisi warned that unrest could bring down the state. He also responded to calls for the army to unseat Mr Morsi, saying: “No one is going to remove anybody.”

The army has not said what Mr Morsi’s fate will be under the plan it has said it will implement if the politicians fail to agree.

Gen al-Sisi is something of an Islamist himself, said Robert Springborg, an expert on the Egyptian military based at the Naval Postgraduate School in Monterey, California. He was citing materials written by Gen al-Sisi during his training in the US. “As I see it they are trying to assert as much pressure as possible to bring about a compromise settlement,” he said.

The military’s actions this week should be viewed as those of an institution, not individuals, added Nathan Brown, an expert on Egypt at George Washington University.

“The personal inclinations of individual members of the armed forces are not the issue and are not on display here.

“There is one thing we do know about the ideology of the military,” he said: “That it sees itself as having a mission to the state rather than the constitution.” Reuters


Morsi role at Syria rally seen as tipping point for Egypt army - The Irish Times - Tue, Jul 02, 2013
 
first i thought Morsi was a good guy who will turn the Egypt
but what i have seen until now nothing changed

He last Palestine war so i was like ok he is good and peaceful
when it came to Syria he is talking crazy so better remove him
he is not a peaceful man and also Egyptian also suffering a lot


but one thing i will say EGYPT is a beautiful country and it should be kept that way

the next President of Egypt should make better of the country and also for foreign policy

Sharia Law will not work in EGYPT i lived there before and i know it
 
Egyptian army don t want to be part of Syria crisis . But they don t want to topple Morsi...what options he has left ????
 
But... The people support it...

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Again stupid Persian posting Egypt news. They'll never support Assad or Iran so STFU and stop being jealous.

But... The people support it...

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of course they do support the revolution. This Persian who posted this is jealous.

This is two weeks ago with Morsi publicity support Syrian revolution. BTW, army is Suuni who hates Persian and Persians are supporting Assad so the Egyptian army support the Syrian revolution and they'll never allow anyone to rule Egypt that support Persian rafihdas. It's obvious this article the Persian posted is useless.
 
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first i thought Morsi was a good guy who will turn the Egypt
but what i have seen until now nothing changed

He last Palestine war so i was like ok he is good and peaceful
when it came to Syria he is talking crazy so better remove him
he is not a peaceful man and also Egyptian also suffering a lot


but one thing i will say EGYPT is a beautiful country and it should be kept that way

the next President of Egypt should make better of the country and also for foreign policy

Sharia Law will not work in EGYPT i lived there before and i know it

Egypt will suffer a lot if he is removed and only Shariah Law can safe Egupt other Syria can end into big trouble
 
Egypt will suffer a lot if he is removed and only Shariah Law can safe Egupt other Syria can end into big trouble
Well, Abu Ismail was part of the candidate last year and said he would impose Sharia then all of sudden they kicked him out saying "his mother has US citizenship that was not eligible to participate in the election" but this was an excuse not to let him run the election :lol:
 

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