Contribution of Persia to the World Civilization

[vsdoc]

Thanks for the informative post Pasban.

Is Zoroastrianism still practiced openly in your country?

I would appreciate it if you could provide us some details on the remnants of your Persian past in the Iran of your present.

Cheers, Doc

 

[S_O_C_O_M]

This article is innacurate. I don't know about the rest but these are not accurate.

1. The first human civilization - - The Persian Civilization (==Eilam); It was ahead of Egypt by 500 years, of India, by 1,000 years, and of China, by 2,000 years, of Greece by 3,000 years, and of Rome, by 4,000 years! According to Professor Arthur A. Pope, the famous Orientalist (A.H. Saidian, Iran: Land and the people, Tehran 2001 P. 358).

Professor Pope also believes that the world owes its greatest industrial developments, in the early stages, to the Persian Civilization! (Ibid).

Another Orientalist, the French Professor Kalamar of the Sorbonne University of Paris believes that: The Persian Civilization is the mother of all civilizations. (Ibid).

Elam is at least a century behind Sumeria.

2. The first empire in the world, the Persian Empire (from the Indus River down to the Danube River in Europe and up to the Nile River in Africa; Central Asia, present day Iran, Iraq, Turkey, Azerbaijan, Armenia, Palestine, Lebanon, Egypt, Libya, Macedonia, Cyprus, Lydia and up to the borders of Greece. It stretched from Ethiopia to India, with 127 provinces and 28 different nationalities).
"The Greeks and Romans later copied the best features of the Persian Method of Governing the Empire. (World History, Philip Groisser, New York, 1970, p. 17).

The Persian's never held any area around the Danube except for a very short time. This was the campaign of 513 that was aimed at Scythians not the Greeks and was intended to control the Black Sea. In the process, Trace was conquered, Macedonia submitted, and the control of the grain route through the Bosporus was secured.

3. Cyrus the Great conquered Babylonia, Assyria, Media and India; His son Cambodia (any influence on the Cambodian People?) added Egypt later, and for the first and the last time in history, all the governments of the known world were ruled under one color!

China, Etrusca, Carthage most of India among many many other settled peoples were not under Persian domination.

18. The original homeland of the Chaldeans (Father Abraham?) was Susa, Iran. The word Chaldean comes from Khald, which comes from Kurd (Kurdish) who were originally Tajiks (Gradeshgari, Iran, Sep. 2000).

Abraham was a semite from one of the various Sumerian Urs NOT Susa.

 

[S_O_C_O_M]

41. Regions of the world, whose names are originated from Persian:
2) Qara Bagh (Azirbaijan, also Afghanistan)

"Qara" is of Turkic origin.

 

[S_O_C_O_M]

Think about it, what are Pakistan's achievements since '79?

 

[S_O_C_O_M]

Don't get an education at University of the Philippines. If you have to at all costs try to avoid Prof. M.S. Tajar

 

[Old School]

Don't get an education at University of the Philippines. If you have to at all costs try to avoid Prof. M.S. Tajar

Please tell us about it . What is it about that university ?

 

[subject17]

6. Sanskrit, which is the mother of all modern languages, was born in Iran, before it went to India.

BS at it's best.

Persia was raped and destroyed by Alexander end of the story. I find amusing iranians calling themselves persians than iranians. Stop living in past people jeez.

 

[Patriot]

Stoning Women, Gay Free Country ( According to Iranian Mullahs), Hanging gay men (even 14-15 year old) just because they're gay etc.

 

[Ahmad]

BS at it's best.

Persia was raped and destroyed by Alexander end of the story. I find amusing iranians calling themselves persians than iranians. Stop living in past people jeez.

hell, that was a very cheap comment. perhaps you have forgotten tha india was ruled by the persians like Afshar, Mahmoud Ghaznavi etc and also by the mughals and pashtoons. every nations have fall and down, so dont put irresponsible comments.

 

[S_O_C_O_M]

Please tell us about it . What is it about that university ?

This is where the Persian article came from.

 

[subject17]

hell, that was a very cheap comment. perhaps you have forgotten tha india was ruled by the persians like Afshar, Mahmoud Ghaznavi etc and also by the mughals and pashtoons. every nations have fall and down, so dont put irresponsible comments.

Islam wasn't native to your country, yes India was invaded fell to the knees to mughuls but it didn't lost it's identity, my point was persia was gone all along with the time, the true persian culture was destroyed by all the invading forces from mongols, greeks to arabs.

 

[Ahmad]

Islam wasn't native to your country, yes India was invaded fell to the knees to mughuls but it didn't lost it's identity, my point was persia was gone all along with the time, the true persian culture was destroyed by all the invading forces from mongols, greeks to arabs.

I think you need to educate yourself. persians didnt lose their culture, on the contrary the invaders accepted their language and culture, you wonder why Mughals were having persian culture and language? Persians of iran, afghanistan and central asia did surely go under mughals and alexander just like the other nations around them, but they didnt lose their culture, their tradition is well and alive among them and it is still flourishing.

and please dont mix religion with culture.

 

[Ganga]

I dont think sanskrit originated in Iran.

 

[Ahmad]

I dont think sanskrit originated in Iran.

yeah me too, i dont know why they mentioned this in the article.

 

[Bang Galore]

Well, Iranians are as susceptible as some Indians who believe that everything that was ever invented or created was already done or found by our ancient ancestors

A rather interesting note I found on the Internet..

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Contribution of Persia to the World Civilization
Compiled by:
Prof. M.S. Tajar
University of the Philippines
March 2004

"Persia" is the Greek name of Pars, a province of modern day Iran. Meanwhile, the name Iran (==Land of the Aryans) is derived from the Aryan people, who first moved from Central Asia, and settled in what is now Iran, some 30,000 years ago. And here are some of the most important contributions of the people of Persia or Iran, to the world civilization:

1. The first human civilization - - The Persian Civilization (==Eilam); It was ahead of Egypt by 500 years, of India, by 1,000 years, and of China, by 2,000 years, of Greece by 3,000 years, and of Rome, by 4,000 years! According to Professor Arthur A. Pope, the famous Orientalist (A.H. Saidian, Iran: Land and the people, Tehran 2001 P. 358).

Well, that would put egyptian civilisation at around 29,500 years old, the Indian civilsation at about 29,000 years,the Greeks at 27,000 & the Romans at 26,000 years ago. since none of these civilisations claim anything like that, we would probably have to rewrite the whole of recorded history.

3. Cyrus the Great conquered Babylonia, Assyria, Media and India; His son Cambodia (any influence on the Cambodian People?) added Egypt later, and for the first and the last time in history, all the governments of the known world were ruled under one color!

Would be interesting if Cambodians were at anytime Zoroastrian, unfortunately for the argument, they were Hindus & then Buddhist.

6. Sanskrit, which is the mother of all modern languages, was born in Iran, before it went to India

Very interesting! Did it go lock,stock & barrel since it seems to have left no traces in Iran? seems the Iranians/Persians forgot the mother of all languages completely. Very poor show from them - forgetting the mother !!

7. The Stone Age, which dates back some 70, 000 years ago, was started in Iran, the cradle of the earliest human civilization!

So, do Iranians/Persians claim ancestory from them or the Aryans?

9. The first accounting tools were found in Iran, belonging to 9,000 years ago. .

Possible. This article is an outcome of some very creative accounting.

16. According to Professor Griffith Taylor of Australia, the homo sapiens (Caucassians) were originated from the Iranian Plateau, also known as the Land of Mahd(the Medes?) and scattered throughout the world some 17,000 years ago (15,000 B.C.)Gardeshgari, Iran, Jan. 2001.

Contradicts the first statement which said that the Aryans came from central Asia & Caucasians( those who originated in the Caucuses) are not the only examples of Homo Sapiens. If they scattered only 17,000 years ago, how did they mange to build all those civilisations that is claimed to be have been built(according to #1) between 29,500 & 25,000 years ago.

23. The Turkish People are a result of the mixture of the early Iranians, and the Chinese; Semites and Egyptians, Palestinians and Arabs, are the mixtures of Iranians and Africans; while the Indians are a mixture of Iranians (Brahman) and the native blacks of India, Dravidians.

( Even Sanskrit itself was born in Persia, before it reached India, some 7,000 years ago!).

Pity it didn't like the place of its birth and washed its hands completely of that country.

74. The origins of all the Indo-European languages, including Indian, German, English, Greek, Spanish, French and many other European languages today, are Iranian. (Gardeshgari, Iran, Sep. 2002) So, it should be called Irano-European, not Indo-European!

87. Cross, as an instrument of punishment for the criminals was first invented by the Persians, and it was adopted by the Romans, some 2,300 years ago.(Philippine Daily Inquirer 1997) Also Swastika, etc.

What's to be proud of being the inventors of a cruel & barbaric practice? As for the Swastika; what exactly does the word mean in any of the Iranian languages?? And is it regarded as a sacred symbol in any of your religions as it is in Hinduism,Buddhism & Jainism.

88. Condom comes from the Persian word kandu or kondu, a long vessel made from the intestines of the animals and used for storing corn. Even today kondu (or kendu) is used in Persian language for the beehives as well as small clay storage for grains or food. (Condominium also?). Well, in Western Iran, there is a town called Kanduan [plural of kandu]. In that town, all the houses are dug in the mountain, on top of each other--a natural condominium).

There's a town called Singapur in the Indian state of Andra Pradesh. What conclusions are you going to draw from that?

113. The world's most educated (100% highly educated) Community is that of the Parsis (the Persian Zoroastrians) who live mostly in Iran, India, Pakistan and England. They are also one of the most financially successful communities in the world. (They established the first Cancer Hospital, and many other educational and Social Centers, including some of the oldest and biggest libraries in India - -see International Herald Tribune, April 24, 2003). Incidentally, the most well known poet of the Gujrati language in India is a Parsee by the name of Khabar-Dar.

And they all fled Iran for India. Not very nice of you, was it?

116. In the fields of Religion and Philosophy: The oldest living religion in the world, is Zoroastrianism, the ancient religion of Persia, (Philippine Star, Jan. 26, 2002).

Would be believable if Zarathushtra, the founder did not reverse the belief that existed & claim that the Devas(Hinduism anyone?) were the false gods & the Ahuras(Asuras anyone?) were the real gods.

Many Christian traditions as well as some of its Philosophy are actually the adaptations from the Zoroastrianism and Mithraism, the Persian Religion of Sun god worshipping. Here are some examples:

1. The Christmas is, in reality, the Birthday of Mithra the Sun-god (Not the Son of God!) which was born on December 25, after the Saturnalia Festivals).
2. Virgin Mary (mother of Baby-god Jesus) resembles Anahita, the Persian goddess, The Mother of gods!
3. Sunday (the Christians Holiday) is actually dedicated to Sun-god or Mithra, the Persian god.

Probable except that Mithra was a pre - Zoroastrianism deity who was popular enough to be incorporated within Zoroastrianism even though he was one of the Devas. BTW, you can find his mention as a minor god in the Rig Veda (Hinduism)where he always accompanies Varuna.

120. The hippies of Europe and America got their hairstyle and their shabby looks (and probably their ideas, too from the Fekirs and Qalandars of India, who in turn got it from the Dervishes and Sufis of Persia!

Why would you want to claim that?

123. Special respect for the animals, particularly cows and bulls, which was very popular among the early Egyptians and the Indians today, has an Aryan (Iranian) origin. It's because of those animals' great roles in agriculture and human sustenance. (And considering that the early Egyptians and the Brahmans of India, were actually the emigrants from the Land of Arya, the connections becomes more evident).

The only problem with the land if the Arya/n is that one of India's early names which finds mention in all its major epics is Aryavarta - the abode of the Aryans.


In the end, I would like to point out that I have nothing but the greatest of respect for what ancient Persians achieved & for the richness of their culture.
There is no need to cook up facts or to quote silly lies to try & embellish one of the greatest civilisations to have ever existed on earth. There is far too much greatness in the truth itself.