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Britain could not reclaim the Falklands if Argentina invades, warns General

But the people of Falklands are British it's not like HK where the locals wanted to be with the mainland. Also the EF's are already on the island with the troops and just those 4 EF's in BVR mode will be enough to take care of the Argies airforce.

Mate where did the 724 people and 2395 sheep come from origionally?
I accept what you say but common sense internationally must prevail. If there was a set of tiny islands next to India or Pakistan next to our nations and historically we asked them to give our land back - what would be the eventual outcome.

Argentina's claim on the Falklands is still a good one

Nearly 40 years ago, in November 1968, I travelled to the Falklands with a group of diplomats in what was Britain's first and last attempt to get shot of the islands. Lord Chalfont, then a minister at the Foreign Office, was the leader of this expedition. He had the unenviable task of trying to persuade the 2,000 islanders that the British empire might not last for ever - and that they should start to entertain the notion they might be better off being friendly to their near-neighbour, Argentina, which had long claimed the islands. This was the moment when Britain was abandoning its "east of Suez" policy for financial reasons, and thinking of ways of winding up its residual empire. We had already forcibly deported the inhabitants of Diego Garcia in 1967 without much hostile publicity, and settled them in Mauritius and the Seychelles, handing over their islands to the Americans to build a gigantic air base. The Falklands were next on the list. Maybe the islanders could be paid to set up sheep farms in New Zealand.

Over 10 days, we visited just about every farm and homestead in the two principal islands. We were greeted everywhere - and we could see the slogans and the union flag from the air before we landed - with the same messages: "Chalfont Go Home" and sometimes "We Want To Stay British". The islanders were adamant. They wanted nothing to do with Argentina, and Chalfont left them with a promise that nothing would happen without their agreement. Fourteen years later, in 1982, Britain and Argentina were at war over the islands, and nearly a thousand people lost their lives. Today we are invited to recall the 25th anniversary of that event, and the Argentinian government has reminded us of its claim, pulling out of the 1995 agreement about joint oil exploration that had been fondly embraced by the Foreign Office as an alternative to discussing anything as conflictive as sovereignty.

People sometimes ask me why Argentinians make such an endless fuss about the islands they call Las Malvinas. The answer is simple. The Falklands belong to Argentina. They just happen to have been seized, occupied, populated and defended by Britain. Because Argentina's claim is perfectly valid, its dispute with Britain will never go away, and because much of Latin America is now falling into the hands of the nationalist left, the government in Buenos Aires will enjoy growing rhetorical support in the continent (and indeed elsewhere, from the current government in Iraq, for example), to the increasing discomfiture of Britain. All governments in Argentina, of whatever stripe, will continue to claim the Malvinas, just as governments in Belgrade will always lay claim to Kosovo.

The Falklands were seized for Britain in January 1833 during an era of dramatic colonial expansion. Captain John Onslow of HMS Clio had instructions "to exercise the rights of sovereignty" over the islands, and he ordered the Argentinian commander to haul down his flag and withdraw his forces. Settlers from Argentina were replaced by those from Britain and elsewhere, notably Gibraltar. Britain and Argentina have disagreed ever since about the rights and wrongs of British occupation, and for much of the time the British authorities have been aware of the relative weakness of their case.

An item in the Public Record Office refers to a Foreign Office document of 1940 entitled "Offer made by His Majesty's government to reunify the Falkland Islands with Argentina and to agree to a lease-back". Though its title survives, the document itself has been embargoed until 2015, although it may well exist in another archive. It was presumably an offer thrown out to the pro-German government of Argentina at the time, to keep them onside at a difficult moment in the war, though perhaps it was a draft or a jeu d'esprit dreamt up in the office.

The record suggests that successive UK governments have considered the British claim to the islands to be weak, and some have favoured negotiations. Recently released documents recall that James Callaghan, when foreign secretary in the 1970s, noted that "we must yield some ground and ... be prepared to discuss a lease-back arrangement". The secretary of the cabinet pointed out that "there are many ways in which Argentina could act against us, including invasion of the islands ... and we are not in a position to reinforce and defend the islands as a long-term commitment. The alternative of standing firm and taking the consequences is accordingly not practicable."

Of course, some people argue that Britain's physical possession of the islands, and its declared intention to hold them against all comers, makes its claim superior to Argentina's. Some believe that the Argentine invasion of the islands in 1982, and their subsequent forced retreat, in some way invalidates their original claim. Britain, above all, owes some debt to the heirs to the settlers who were originally sent there, a debt recognised in the Foreign Office mantra that, in all dealings with Argentina about the islands' future, the wishes of the islanders will be "paramount". Yet no such debt was recognised in the case of the inhabitants of Diego Garcia, perhaps because Britain inherited them from the French rather than planting the settlers themselves.

Ironically, the Falkland islanders are the outcome of a 19th-century scheme of settlement not very different from the experience of Argentina in the same century, which brought in settlers from Italy, Germany, England and Wales, and planted them on land from which the native Indians had been cleared and exterminated. The record of the islanders looks rather cleaner by comparison. Yet the Argentinian claim is still a good one, and it will never go away. At some stage, sovereignty and lease-back will have to be on the agenda again, regardless of the wishes of the islanders. Ideally, the Falklands should be included in a wider post-colonial cleanup of ancient territories. This would rid Britain of responsibility for Northern Ireland (almost gone), Gibraltar (under discussion), and for Diego Garcia (de facto given to the Americans), and anywhere else that anyone can still remember.

This post-colonial policy should have been adopted many years ago (and perhaps Harold Wilson's government was groping towards this end in the 1960s when Denis Healey abandoned British commitments east of Suez, and when Chalfont was sent to Port Stanley), and it should at least have been considered when we abandoned Hong Kong in the 1990s. Yet the strength of Blair's imperial revivalism, forever echoed in the popular press, suggests that this prospect is as far away as it was in 1982.

Richard Gott: Argentina's claim on the Falklands is still a good one | Comment is free | The Guardian

sorry for the long article but this will give you a little flavor of the history mate...
 
@SuperKaif i totally agree they have a claim to the island given the history but we know better than most how the English are lol


They wont even return the items in the British museam back to Greece, Egypt let alone the Koor diamond to India and now billions of oil has been found I can't see them giving the islands back without a fight.
 
@SuperKaif i totally agree they have a claim to the island given the history but we know better than most how the English are lol

They wont even return the items in the British museam back to Greece, Egypt let alone the Koor diamond to India and now billions of oil has been found I can't see them giving the islands back without a fight.

Matwe you are correct 100% - lets not talk about the koor diamond and the rest of what they stole from India - we will be off topic and hear all night - bottom line is they are no longer the empire they were. The issue will not go away - and the demands will get greater. Either they open their eyes and see things long term and negotiate peace - or in the future always be looking over their shoulders and walking on egg shells. Time for the UK to stand back and smell the coffee and wake up to them accepting what history states....
and now im off tesco - back in a bit yeti!!!!......:lol:
 
The same logic that you have when you made Hawaii your territory.

Too bad. We can claim whatever we want. I hope you don't have a problem, but if you, you may take that up with our 11 super carriers. :cry: Oh, so you don't have a problem anymore? That's what I thought.
 
Matwe you are correct 100% - lets not talk about the koor diamond and the rest of what they stole from India - we will be off topic and hear all night - bottom line is they are no longer the empire they were. The issue will not go away - and the demands will get greater. Either they open their eyes and see things long term and negotiate peace - or in the future always be looking over their shoulders and walking on egg shells. Time for the UK to stand back and smell the coffee and wake up to them accepting what history states....
and now im off tesco - back in a bit yeti!!!!......:lol:




They should split a share of the oil wealth found in the sea with the Argies but knowing the Brits im not confident they will. Now with the Tavez drama, public opinion in UK of the argies is even lower

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Too bad. We can claim whatever we want. I hope you don't have a problem, but if you, you may take that up with our 11 super carriers. :cry: Oh, so you don't have a problem anymore? That's what I thought.


No need to be arrogant buddy you know it does not do any favours to Americans best to be more humble.
 
No need to be arrogant buddy you know it does not do any favours to Americans best to be more humble.

Tell your Indian friends to mind their own business, got it? We don't spend more money on the military than the next 10 countries combined to be humble. We do it to kick everyone's a**.
 
Tell your Indian friends to mind their own business, got it? We don't spend more money on the military than the next 10 countries combined to be humble. We do it to kick everyone's a**.


You know that type of attitude won't win you many friends :disagree:
 
Tell your Indian friends to mind their own business, got it? We don't spend more money on the military than the next 10 countries combined to be humble. We do it to kick everyone's a**.

Mate your country hasnt got good media at the mo - the last thing it needs is internet global warriors such as you so do us a favor Shush

and stop trolling - you end up looking like a tw*t....
 
January 31, 2012 7:15 pm

UK to dispatch warship to Falklands

By James Blitz, Defence and Diplomatic Editor

Britain has announced it is sending one of its most advanced warships to the Falkland Islands in the coming weeks, signalling the UK’s determination to defend the territory against any attempt by Argentina to take it by force.
The Ministry of Defence said the deployment of HMS Dauntless, a Type 45 destroyer, was a routine operation. However, the deployment comes as tensions rise between Britain and Argentina over the status of the islands in the run-up to the 30th anniversary of the 1982 conflict which followed Argentina’s invasion of the islands.

William Hague, foreign secretary, said that while the dispatch of HMS Dauntless was routine, the Royal Navy “packs a very considerable punch’.’

Security experts believe the decision to deploy the ship is the latest indication that the UK is leaving nothing to chance as the anniversary of Argentina’s defeat by Britain approaches.

In recent weeks, David Cameron, the prime minister, has surprised diplomats with the strong stance he has taken towards the defence of the islands.

He convened a meeting of his National Security Committee last month to review diplomatic and military strategy over the Falklands. He also accused Argentina last month of “colonialism” in its determination to regain control of “Las Malvinas”.
Mr Hague said on Tuesday: “We will always be in a position to defend the Falkland Islands if necessary, not that we are aware of any military threat to the Falkland Islands at the moment. We will always reaffirm that capability and we will always make sure that it’s there.”

Some analysts believe Britain’s military strategy towards the islands is vulnerable in the aftermath of major cuts to the Royal Navy and the loss of any UK aircraft carrier capability for the next six years.

Britain’s strategy for the defence of the islands relies on flying large numbers of reinforcements into the Mount Pleasant air base at high speed.

If Argentina were able to capture the Mount Pleasant air base, however, many defence experts believe it would be impossible for the UK to take the islands back. “Whoever has the air base has the islands,” said a security expert. “The UK just does not have the naval power any more to dislodge Argentina if it manages to get control of Mount Pleasant.”

The presence of the Type 45 destroyer in the South Atlantic over the next few months would make it hard for Argentina to try to attack the Falklands by air this year, because any war planes could be shot out of the sky by the vessel’s world-class missile system.

HMS Dauntless is armed with high-tech Sea Viper anti-air missiles and can carry 60 troops. It also has a large flight deck which can accommodate helicopters such as Chinooks and can carry 700 people in the case of a civilian evacuation.

UK to dispatch warship to Falklands - FT.com
 
If there was no mass exodus from the Falklands of the natives and the subjects are all British then the British deserve to keep them .
 
Tell your Indian friends to mind their own business, got it? We don't spend more money on the military than the next 10 countries combined to be humble. We do it to kick everyone's a**.

You are on an Internet forum .People will express their opinions . You don't like it ? Your problem .
 
Tell your Indian friends to mind their own business, got it? We don't spend more money on the military than the next 10 countries combined to be humble. We do it to kick everyone's a**.

stupid americans: the next ten countries combined can unify the whole continental eurasia against u.s. i don't care how powerful you assume your nation is, but i can tell you this minute that the rest of the universe combined will have its *** kicked by a unified continental eurasia (i will include the brits in the worthless half of the universe). the final purpose of american diplomacy since it joined the ranks of great powers was the prevention (and only the prevention) of unity on the eurasian continent. that you are spending that much money on your military isn't a sign of your strength but how long you have been playing a sucker to your big arms suppliers.
 
stupid americans: the next ten countries combined can unify the whole continental eurasia against u.s. i don't care how powerful you assume your nation is, but i can tell you this minute that the rest of the universe combined will have its *** kicked by a unified continental eurasia (i will include the brits in the worthless half of the universe). the final purpose of american diplomacy since it joined the ranks of great powers was the prevention (and only the prevention) of unity on the eurasian continent. that you are spending that much money on your military isn't a sign of your strength but how long you have been playing a sucker to your big arms suppliers.


Why you have a American flag and call them stupid? makes no sense
 
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Falkland Islanders

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Argentinians

Come on its obvious their british, poor things. ;)
 

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