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Various observers have noted this week that China's economy will be bigger than that of the United States in 2016. This comes from the International Monetary Fund's (IMF's) latest projections, which were made in its semi-annual April world economic outlook database. Since 2016 is just a few years away, and it will be the first time in more than a century that the United States will no longer be the world's largest economy, this development will be the object of some discussion – from various perspectives.

First, let's consider the economics. China has been the world's fastest growing economy for more than three decades, growing 17-fold in real (inflation-adjusted) terms since 1980. It is worth emphasising that most of this record growth took place (1980-2000) while the rest of the developing world was doing quite badly by implementing neoliberal policy changes – indiscriminate opening to trade and capital flows, increasingly independent central banks, tighter (and often pro-cyclical) fiscal and monetary policies, and the abandonment of previously successful development strategies.

China clearly did not embrace these policy changes, which were promoted from Washington by institutions such as the IMF, World Bank, and later the WTO. (China did not even join the WTO until 2002.) It is true that China's growth acceleration included a rapid expansion of trade and foreign investment. But these were heavily managed by the state, to make sure that they fitted in with the government's development goals – quite the opposite of what happened in most other developing countries. China's goals included producing for export markets, promoting higher levels of technology (with the goal of transferring technology from foreign enterprises to the domestic economy), hiring local residents for managerial and technical jobs, and not allowing foreign investments to compete with certain domestic industries.

China's economy is still very much state-led, with the government controlling most of the financial system, the exchange rate, and about 44% of the assets of major industrial enterprises. That is why China was able to plow through the world recession with GDP growth of 9.8%, despite losing about 3.7 percentage points of GDP due to falling net exports.

Now for the politics and international implications. First, much of the discussion of China's rise is written from a Washington perspective – that is, from the perspective of an empire. From this view, China's rise is a "threat". Since this view sees the supremacy of Washington and its allies as good for the world, China's rise is also seen as a threat to the world. It is assumed that China will become an empire like the United States, but will not be so "benevolent" as the United States is.

This view is not supported by the facts. To take just current and recent history, it is the United States that invaded Iraq, leading to an estimated million deaths, is occupying Afghanistan, bombing Pakistan and Libya, and threatening Iran. The United States' and its allies' control over many developing countries' economic policies through the IMF, World Bank and other institutions has also caused a lot of damage over the past few decades.

So, a shift of power toward a more multipolar world is likely to give us a more peaceful and just world. In fact, it is already happening: the majority of South America, for example, is now governed by democratic left governments that have produced positive reforms that benefit the majority – something that was practically impossible to achieve while Washington dominated the region. And of course, the vast majority of people in the United States also stand to benefit from a smaller US role in the world, as we transition back to a republic from an empire: less spending on senseless wars, fewer casualties, fewer enemies, less distraction from our real problems at home.

China's foreign policy is mainly geared toward securing the raw materials and trade that will fuel its growth and development. This is done through commercial transactions. Of course, its corporations – like those of the rich countries – have come under criticism in various countries. But China does not try to tell other countries what their foreign policy towards other countries, or their overall economic policies, should be – as the United States often does. This is an important difference between a country that pursues its own national and economic interests, and an empire that seeks to impose its own order on the world.

It is always possible that China, once it becomes a rich country – and this is many years away – could develop imperial ambitions. But so far, its leadership seems to see China as a developing country seeking to become a high-income country, and doesn't see a role for empire-building in this process. "Hide brilliance, cherish obscurity," Chinese leader Deng Xioaping once said.

A few months ago, press reports, using an exchange rate measure of GDP, announced that China had become the world's "second largest economy" just this year. But by a purchasing power parity (PPP) measure, which adjusts for the difference in many prices between China and the US, China had become the second largest economy years ago. A technical matter: if we measure China's economy in dollars at current exchange rates, it reached $5.9tn in 2010, as compared with $14.7tn for the US. By a purchasing power parity measure, its economy reached $10.1tn in 2010. It is that measure that the IMF projects to grow to $18.98tn in 2016, putting the US in second place at $18.81tn.

However, it is likely that even the IMF's PPP measure understates China's GDP: economist Arvind Subramanian has estimated that China's PPP GDP in 2010 was already about even with that of the United States. An IMF spokesperson, quoted this week by the Financial Times, weighed in on the debate:


"The IMF considers that GDP in purchase power parity (PPP) terms is not the most appropriate measure for comparing the relative size of countries to the global economy, because PPP price levels are influenced by non-traded services, which are more relevant domestically than globally … The Fund believes that GDP at market rates is a more relevant comparison. Under this metric, the US is currently 130% bigger than China, and will still be 70% larger by 2016."


It is true that the "market rate" measure is better for some comparisons. But one important place where the PPP measure is more relevant is in military spending. The cost of producing a military plane and training a pilot in China is much lower than in the United States. Washington's current policy is to maintain military supremacy in Asia, but an arms race with China could make the cold war look cheap by comparison. The Soviet Union's economy was just a quarter of United States' economy when we had that arms race. If the US were to have a serious arms race with China, we could forget about Medicare, social security and most of what our federal government spends money on.

Fortunately, a new cold war with China is not in the cards for now. But the size of China's economy is another good reason to make sure that it doesn't happen.

2016: when China overtakes the US | Mark Weisbrot | Comment is free | guardian.co.uk

PPP adjusted
 
someone post the same article few days ago
 
Is this going to be a PPP based size or real GDP?
 
Will China Really Surpass The U.S. by 2016 ?
Posted on April 30, 2011

By Clyde Prestowitz

There has been a lot of commentary recently on the International Monetary Fund’s (IMF) projection of China’s GDP passing that of the United States to become the world’s largest by 2016. That only proves the adage that “there are lies, damn lies, and statistics.”


The IMF number that has gotten such attention is the Chinese GDP as calculated based on purchasing power parity (PPP) numbers. If this sounds like gobbledygook, it kind of is. On the one hand, it is a useful calculation to make certain international comparisons with regard to standards of living. So for example, if you make only $2000 annually but your food costs only $200, you may be better off than someone in another country who makes $20,000 annually but who has to pay $10,000 for food. Or maybe the food comparison is not apt because diets differ between countries. In the Americas, potatoes tend to be inexpensive and serve as a main form of starch in the average diet. In Asia, potatoes tend to be expensive. So if you compare how many potatoes one can buy with a certain income in the Americas to how many one can buy with the same income in Asia, the Asians will appear to be poorer and to have a lower standard of living than the Americans. But Asians don’t eat potatoes as their main form of starch. They eat rice, and rice in Asia tends to be inexpensive. So a better standard of living comparison is between how much rice an Asian can buy with a certain income as against how many potatoes an American can by with the same income.

So far so good. In this way, the PPP calculation gives us a better understanding of the real purchasing power of incomes in various societies. The most famous PPP calculation is the Economist’s Big Mac index. This is the comparison of how much it costs in various countries to buy a Big Mac from McDonalds. Since Big Macs have become a kind of shared international good, the index is a fairly accurate way of measuring comparative standards of living around the world.

But, the PPP calculation has a serious limitation. It does not at all reflect international buying power and thus is not at all an accurate measure of relative global economic and geo-political power. International transactions are done at nominal, not PPP, currency values. For example, you might be able to buy a night at a hotel in Washington D.C. for $300. If you go to Paris, you don’t buy a hotel room with PPP dollars. Rather you have to exchange dollars for euros at the nominal exchange rate and then pay for the room in euros. At current rates, the same room in Paris is likely to cost you about $500. So while in PPP calculations you may be said to have the same hotel room in Washington with your American income as a Parisian has in Paris with his/her higher European income, when you go to Paris, you will, in fact, be poor in comparison to your French friends.

Let’s get back to China: On a PPP basis, the IMF says that China’s current GDP is about $11.5 trillion while that of the United States is $15.2 trillion. But at current exchange rates, the IMF notes that China’s GDP is only $6.5 trillion or a little more than a third the size of the U.S. GDP. That is the more important figure to look at when considering relative international buying power and economic and geo-political influence. The IMF has China passing the U.S. GDP in 2016 on PPP calculations. But on a real exchange rate basis, the IMF numbers show China’s 2016 GDP to be only about two thirds that of the United States.

Now, let’s add another dash of reality. Those numbers all assume that China’s growth rate continues to rise in pretty much a straight line. But maybe it won’t. Here are two things to keep in mind. One is that the Chinese population will begin to age rapidly in the next few years and that is likely to have some slowing effect on the GDP. In addition, we must understand that China’s growth is extremely investment intensive. Domestic consumption accounts for only about 35-40 percent of GDP.

In recent years, China has been in the situation that it gets less GDP growth-per-dollar or yuan invested each year. So it has to invest more and more each year just to maintain a constant rate of growth. Obviously, this reachs a limit. The entire GDP cannot be invested. The IMF and others assume that China will be able to rebalance its economy and get more growth from domestic consumption while getting a bit less from investment. But the experience of other Asian countries over the past fifty years suggests that this rebalancing is extremely difficult to achieve. Maybe China will prove the exception, but its efforts in this regard so far are not impressive.

So, while the idea of China rushing past the United States in the global GDP sweep stakes makes for dramatic headlines, it isn’t going to happen any time soon.

Source: Foreign Policy
 
I highly doubt the Chinese has the power to overtake the US economy. Their rate is very unstable, their population is aging, and their Indian counterparts have a head start in entrepreneurship.
 
The U.S. population isn't even 1/4 of the total Chinese population and that's a lot of people to think about. It will take some time for the PPP to catch up.

Realistically speaking, 2016 is too soon. In terms of the economy, China will match and overtake U.S. in certain areas but not all. GDP growth rate for example is already higher in China than it is in the U.S. who is actually experiencing a decline as we speak.
 
Why are there always idiots posting this type of idiotic article???

Seriously, change the time.

Overtaking U.S. in what??? Population? We overtook them in that category long time ago.
 
NO. We won't be able to do that by then.

Will China Really Surpass The U.S. by 2016 ?
Posted on April 30, 2011

By Clyde Prestowitz

There has been a lot of commentary recently on the International Monetary Fund’s (IMF) projection of China’s GDP passing that of the United States to become the world’s largest by 2016. That only proves the adage that “there are lies, damn lies, and statistics.”


The IMF number that has gotten such attention is the Chinese GDP as calculated based on purchasing power parity (PPP) numbers. If this sounds like gobbledygook, it kind of is. On the one hand, it is a useful calculation to make certain international comparisons with regard to standards of living. So for example, if you make only $2000 annually but your food costs only $200, you may be better off than someone in another country who makes $20,000 annually but who has to pay $10,000 for food. Or maybe the food comparison is not apt because diets differ between countries. In the Americas, potatoes tend to be inexpensive and serve as a main form of starch in the average diet. In Asia, potatoes tend to be expensive. So if you compare how many potatoes one can buy with a certain income in the Americas to how many one can buy with the same income in Asia, the Asians will appear to be poorer and to have a lower standard of living than the Americans. But Asians don’t eat potatoes as their main form of starch. They eat rice, and rice in Asia tends to be inexpensive. So a better standard of living comparison is between how much rice an Asian can buy with a certain income as against how many potatoes an American can by with the same income.

So far so good. In this way, the PPP calculation gives us a better understanding of the real purchasing power of incomes in various societies. The most famous PPP calculation is the Economist’s Big Mac index. This is the comparison of how much it costs in various countries to buy a Big Mac from McDonalds. Since Big Macs have become a kind of shared international good, the index is a fairly accurate way of measuring comparative standards of living around the world.

But, the PPP calculation has a serious limitation. It does not at all reflect international buying power and thus is not at all an accurate measure of relative global economic and geo-political power. International transactions are done at nominal, not PPP, currency values. For example, you might be able to buy a night at a hotel in Washington D.C. for $300. If you go to Paris, you don’t buy a hotel room with PPP dollars. Rather you have to exchange dollars for euros at the nominal exchange rate and then pay for the room in euros. At current rates, the same room in Paris is likely to cost you about $500. So while in PPP calculations you may be said to have the same hotel room in Washington with your American income as a Parisian has in Paris with his/her higher European income, when you go to Paris, you will, in fact, be poor in comparison to your French friends.

Let’s get back to China: On a PPP basis, the IMF says that China’s current GDP is about $11.5 trillion while that of the United States is $15.2 trillion. But at current exchange rates, the IMF notes that China’s GDP is only $6.5 trillion or a little more than a third the size of the U.S. GDP. That is the more important figure to look at when considering relative international buying power and economic and geo-political influence. The IMF has China passing the U.S. GDP in 2016 on PPP calculations. But on a real exchange rate basis, the IMF numbers show China’s 2016 GDP to be only about two thirds that of the United States.

Now, let’s add another dash of reality. Those numbers all assume that China’s growth rate continues to rise in pretty much a straight line. But maybe it won’t. Here are two things to keep in mind. One is that the Chinese population will begin to age rapidly in the next few years and that is likely to have some slowing effect on the GDP. In addition, we must understand that China’s growth is extremely investment intensive. Domestic consumption accounts for only about 35-40 percent of GDP.

In recent years, China has been in the situation that it gets less GDP growth-per-dollar or yuan invested each year. So it has to invest more and more each year just to maintain a constant rate of growth. Obviously, this reachs a limit. The entire GDP cannot be invested. The IMF and others assume that China will be able to rebalance its economy and get more growth from domestic consumption while getting a bit less from investment. But the experience of other Asian countries over the past fifty years suggests that this rebalancing is extremely difficult to achieve. Maybe China will prove the exception, but its efforts in this regard so far are not impressive.

So, while the idea of China rushing past the United States in the global GDP sweep stakes makes for dramatic headlines, it isn’t going to happen any time soon.

Source: Foreign Policy
 
Why are there always idiots posting this type of idiotic article???

Seriously, change the time.

Overtaking U.S. in what??? Population? We overtook them in that category long time ago.


i dont think we were ever behind in that
 
if it's 2116, i may buy the story.
but i do believe that by 2016, China is strong enough to protect its core interests.
 
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