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China’s rise is reversing

Americans today feel poorer than before and its life expectancy is dropping like a rock. After US government manipulation of its currency, dollar based GDP had long become meaningless. China progresses in leaps and bounds in every sector all across the board, US is retreating and declining at the same speed.

China now is the world biggest trading nation, industrial nation, trade surplus nation, manufacturing nation, agricultural nation, mining nation, shipping nation , controlling the global supply chain. And US?
 
Stupid article. Let us all just ignore China's industrial and technological prowess and cry foul over its ageing population.

Even with an ageing population, China with its hudreds of millions of skilled workers/professionals will beat the world with a stick for decades to come.
 
The US governments own economic forecast has US GDP crossing $40T in a decade.

China is clearly in long term steady decline which will be accelerated by demographic collapse in the 2030s and beyond. Chinas ability to close the gap with the US is growing smaller by the year. Time is running out.

China is not going to return to 10% annual growth rate. However, they are also not to be Japan with 1% growth rate.

For the foreseeable future (at least for another decade), China will grow faster than the developed economies. They still some way to go to catch up to other developed East Asian economies.
 
The fact that there are many american trolls who dedicate their lives to posting anti-china when 15 years ago we didn't have any of that here just shows that China in fact is rising rapidly. Got americans so shook they gave up their life to be full time trolls
 
US doesn't even have money to repair their dilapidated subways and railways, wealthy? lol. even installing cheap screen doors in their garbage subway would cost billions thus they had to give up the plan altogether.

China this year became the world biggest car exporter for the first time in the history, now is totally controling the global EV supply chain and clean energy supply chain. Huawei is back to and AI progress by leaps and bounds. shipbuilding captured almost 80% of the global orders. US is fast declining all across board.
 
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GDP in PPP is a better way to compare two countries, GDP real is better if your looking at how a country is doing year on year. So if you want to compare GDP's of the US and China PPP is the better way to do it. If you look at GDP real for each YoY, between 2009-2022 both countries increased their GDP by around $11T, that is impressive for China given its basket of goods are going to be much cheaper than the US, but the larger population size also adds to that.

Other very important economic indicators are your exports, China exports more in monetary value but the US isnt that far behind. Right now the average american economically is earning more when you look at it from the $ perspective, but the cost of living is like 70% higher in the US when compared with China.

So I guess what I am trying to say is things are not as black and white as some articles point out, what makes both countries strong is the fact they can produce many things themselves, but also sell many of the things they produce. What will make them weaker is reliance on key comodities which fuel their growth, if those comodities are not secured then growth will be affected. If citizens in a country are also using more resources than they should be causing wastage will also be a problem longer term as it might be hard to sustain especially with large population sizes.
 
China is not going to return to 10% annual growth rate. However, they are also not to be Japan with 1% growth rate.

For the foreseeable future (at least for another decade), China will grow faster than the developed economies. They still some way to go to catch up to other developed East Asian economies.
The issue for China is that US growth is exceeding expectations and its own growth rates are converging with the US. Time is running out
 
Americans today feel poorer than before and its life expectancy is dropping like a rock. After US government manipulation of its currency, dollar based GDP had long become meaningless. China progresses in leaps and bounds in every sector all across the board, US is retreating and declining at the same speed.

China now is the world biggest trading nation, industrial nation, trade surplus nation, manufacturing nation, agricultural nation, mining nation, shipping nation , controlling the global supply chain. And US?
China is not going to return to 10% annual growth rate. However, they are also not to be Japan with 1% growth rate.

For the foreseeable future (at least for another decade), China will grow faster than the developed economies. They still some way to go to catch up to other developed East Asian economies.

 
In a historic turn, China’s rise as an economic superpower is reversing. The biggest global story of the past half century may be over.

After stagnating under Mao Zedong in the 1960s and 70s, China opened to the world in the 1980s — and took off in subsequent decades. Its share of the global economy rose nearly tenfold from below 2 per cent in 1990 to 18.4 per cent in 2021. No nation had ever risen so far, so fast.

Then the reversal began. In 2022, China’s share of the world economy shrank a bit. This year it will shrink more significantly, to 17 per cent.
That two-year drop of 1.4 per cent is the largest since the 1960s. These numbers are in “nominal” dollar terms — unadjusted for inflation — the measure that most accurately captures a nation’s relative economic strength.

China aims to reclaim the imperial status it held from the 16th to early 19th centuries, when its share of world economic output peaked at one-third, but that goal may be slipping out of reach.

China’s decline could reorder the world. Since the 1990s, the country’s share of global GDP grew mainly at the expense of Europe and Japan, which have seen their shares hold more or less steady over the past two years. The gap left by China has been filled mainly by the US and by other emerging nations.


To put this in perspective, the world economy is expected to grow by $8tn in 2022 and 2023 to $105tn. China will account for none of that gain, the US will account for 45 per cent, and other emerging nations for 50 per cent. Half the gain for emerging nations will come from just five of these countries: India, Indonesia, Mexico, Brazil and Poland. That is a striking sign of possible power shifts to come. Moreover, China’s slipping share of world GDP in nominal terms is not based on independent or foreign sources.

The nominal figures are published as part of their official GDP data. So China’s rise is reversing by Beijing’s own account. One reason this has gone largely unnoticed is that most analysts focus on real GDP growth, which is inflation-adjusted. And by adjusting creatively for inflation, Beijing has long managed to report that real growth is steadily hitting its official target, now around 5 per cent.

This in turn appears to confirm, every quarter, the official story that “the east is rising.” But China’s real long-term potential growth rate — the sum of new workers entering the labour force and output per worker — is now more like 2.5 per cent.

The ongoing baby bust in China has already lowered its share of the world working age population from a peak of 24 per cent to 19 per cent, and it is expected to fall to 10 per cent over the next 35 years. With a shrinking share of the world’s workers, a smaller share of growth is almost certain.


Further, over the past decade, China’s government has grown more meddlesome, and its debts are historically high for a developing country. These forces are slowing growth in productivity, measured as output per worker. This combination — fewer workers, and anaemic growth in output per worker — will make it difficult in the extreme for China to start winning back share in the global economy.

In nominal dollar terms, China’s GDP is on track to decline in 2023, for the first time since a large devaluation of the renminbi in 1994. Given the constraints to real GDP growth, in the coming years Beijing can only regain global share with a spike in inflation or in the value of the renminbi — but neither is likely. China is one of the few economies suffering from deflation, and it also faces a debt-fuelled property bust, which typically leads to a devaluation of the local currency.

Investors are pulling money out of China at a record pace, adding to pressure on the renminbi. Foreigners cut investment in Chinese factories and other projects by $12bn in the third quarter — the first such drop since records begin. Locals, who often flee a troubled market before foreigners do, are leaving too. Chinese investors are making outward investments at an unusually rapid pace and prowling the world for real estate deals.

China’s President Xi Jinping has in the past expressed supreme confidence that history is shifting in his country’s favour, and nothing can stop its rise. His meetings with Joe Biden and US chief executives at last week’s summit in San Francisco did hint at moderation, or at least a recognition that China still needs foreign business partners. But almost no matter what Xi does, his nation’s share in the global economy is likely to decline for the foreseeable future. It’s a post-China world now.

Sorry buddy, China will be the world's largest economy in Nominal GDP in a matter of years.

countries like China, India, SU/Russia can't be reversed :disagree:
USA also fall with the above 3 countries but it looks like US needs a start again...
 
not sure about America getting richer but it is definitely getting more expensive, you know something feels off when you see a simple dish of 西红柿炒蛋 cost $30 in a Seattle restaurant when it's usually $2 in China
 
not sure about America getting richer but it is definitely getting more expensive, you know something feels off when you see a simple dish of 西红柿炒蛋 cost $30 in a Seattle restaurant when it's usually $2 in China
:enjoy: US economy 'size'/'nominal GDP' as compared to Asian economies
 
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not sure about America getting richer but it is definitely getting more expensive, you know something feels off when you see a simple dish of 西红柿炒蛋 cost $30 in a Seattle restaurant when it's usually $2 in China
US life expectancy is free falling for a reason

American Insulin Prices Are off the Charts​


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Americans are wealthier than ever, unemployment rate at record lows, economy growing near 3%, inflation murdered.

China meanwhile is in long term steady decline. We’ve hit peak China.
That's quite a disingenuous and misleading statement, only multimillionaires and billionaires are better off, most Americans can't even afford $500 emergency.

Incomes for workers have been stagnant since the late 70s and high inflation has killed their remaining purchase power.
 
That's quite a disingenuous and misleading statement, only multimillionaires and billionaires are better off, most Americans can't even afford $500 emergency.

Incomes for workers have been stagnant since the late 70s and high inflation has killed their remaining purchase power.
not sure about America getting richer but it is definitely getting more expensive, you know something feels off when you see a simple dish of 西红柿炒蛋 cost $30 in a Seattle restaurant when it's usually $2 in China

US will have to start from beginning say, 1.0US$=1.0 Ruble
i find US$ would at least start from here
 
Eh, quite a poorly written article by FT.

The fall in share of nominal GDP for the past 2 years is mainly due to currency depreciation and lower than global average inflation in China. It's not gonna continue every single year.

Likewise, the temporary strong USD and high interest rates due to high inflation is not gonna continue in the US, and is definitely not going to happen every single year to close the gap in the difference in real growth rate.

Yet the author simply extrapolates them as a long term trend into the future and make a lazy conclusion that we've reached peak China.

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As usual, not many intelligent takes in this thread apart from you. Most posts are garbage, with few usual suspects.
 

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