Today that land of Kashmir, lies under the heels of the enemy.

INDIC said:

I have read excerpts of your textbooks.



Kargil is Ladakh and now don't create your own faked version of geography.

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I can detect kashmiri blood instinctively , the kargil and drass are mostly Kashmiris and Shina/Balistani type people with some tibetan admixture, they are not same people as fully tibetan Buddhists of leh ladakh eventhough in india it is wrongly lumped together with Leh Ladakh.

save_ghenda said:

Again you expect us to defy laws of phisics, its ok we don't mind it. Because this fear should stay in minds of hindus. And did you expect Pakistan to tele transport 700000 in to Bengal?

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Pakistan should have resolved to law of physics when they put 1 muslim equal to 10 hindus in their textbooks.

Psycho Pakistani said:

I can detect kashmiri blood instinctively , the kargil and drass are mostly Kashmiris and Shina/Balistani type people with some tibetan admixture, they are not same people as fully tibetan Buddhists of leh ladakh eventhough in india it is wrongly lumped together with Leh Ladakh.

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They speak a Ladakhi language.

Psycho Pakistani said:

I can detect kashmiri blood instinctively , the kargil and drass are mostly Kashmiris and Shina/Balistani type people with some tibetan admixture, they are not same people as fully tibetan Buddhists of leh ladakh eventhough in india it is wrongly lumped together with Leh Ladakh.

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from what I have seen they look less mongoliod than Bhuddist of Ladakh, probably because of mixing with poople of Gilgit, Hunza valley etc.

@liontk

I appreciate your input.

liontk said:

@Aeronaut

Brother, this is a issue that Pakistan should be fighting for globally but I don't see the same furor or outrage over this systematic oppression of kashmere folks(even pakistanis are more interested in palestine) and yet not outrage from the global community. This issue is just as worse as Palestine but the media is dead silent on this heinous tragedy happening to kashmere folks for last 50 years or so.
http://www.hrw.org/sites/default/files/reports/INDIA935.PDF
Please look through this report guys, some of you might be shocked at the human rights abuses done by Indian authorities including usage of rape. I personally do condemn India but our nation interests sadly prevent us from taking further action as India is the only proper democracy in south asia and hence the close ties including nuclear deal.

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If HRW was a point, then the last person talking about Kashmir should be Pakistanis. Enjoy their report on 'Azad' Kashmir.

“With Friends Like These…” | Human Rights Watch

creed04 said:

from what I have seen they look less mongoliod than Bhuddist of Ladakh, probably because of mixing with poople of Gilgit, Hunza valley etc.

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Many in Kargil and Drass actually speak Shina language though majority speak Balti or ladakhi. They are a mix between shins, kashmiris and tibetan ladakhis.

Shina speaking people celebrating in Kargil festival

INDIC said:

They speak a Ladakhi language.

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Many in kargil part of Ladakh speak Shina language which is mostly spoken either in northern pakistan or guraiz district of kashmir valley.

Psycho Pakistani said:

Many in kargil part of Ladakh speak Shina language which is mostly spoken either in northern pakistan or guraiz district of kashmir valley.

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Ladakh is purely Ladakhi with small speaker of Balti language(identical to Ladakhi).

INDIC said:

Ladakh is purely Ladakhi with small speaker of Balti language(identical to Ladakhi).

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But racial origins of muslim ladakhis from Kargil are different than pure tibetan ladakhis of Leh area.

xb9r said:

Global community has no say in this, Pakistan signed a documnt in return for its 93000 POW's accepting its a bilateral issue.

Plus there is no large scale genocide in kashmir that the UN would be worried about, there are much worse cases in the world, more than one in your own backyard if you look close enough.

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Dont be stupid trying to bring facts and logic into a discussion about Kashmir with a Pakistani

surya kiran said:

If HRW was a point, then the last person talking about Kashmir should be Pakistanis. Enjoy their report on 'Azad' Kashmir.

“With Friends Like These…” | Human Rights Watch

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@liontk dismount that high horse and get real.

Imran Khan said:

forget past LOC as border is best way to get out today

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Imran Bhai...You seem to and sound like a very interesting person ...like the advertisement of Dos Equis...!

save_ghenda said:

Pakistanis are martial races but even we can't defy laws of physics. In 71 war just 33,000 soldiers fought 50 million traitor Bengalis and 1 million hindu army. Only surrendered because India threatened to kill 60 thousands Pakistani civilians and the fact that Bengalis were traitors anyway so why fight?

Pakistan almost liberated whole Kashmir if not for few mistakes. Yet India never tried to cross loc to liberate so called Pak occupied Kashmir.

Hindus have made this war personal, i will again remind Kashmir ke chakar mein delhi bhi nai rahe gha.

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LOL!..Ok keep trying..looks like Islamabad is already in trouble..whatever you mentioned is more probable with Pakistan as of today.

notsuperstitious said:

@liontk dismount that high horse and get real.

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I gave my personal input though if I did offend you let me clarify, my perspective was in light of kashmere dispute and not my personals views of India with respect to other issues. As far as the India is concerned(, I admire the country for it's strong commitment to democratic principles and institutions, which I agree the subcontinental region lacks for the general part including Pakistan. So once again if I managed to offend you, my apologies. However, I was simply quoting a report that has some disturbing facts pertaining to kashmere(this thread is about kashmere dispute specifically and not HR of Pakistan or other parts of India).

xb9r said:

Global community has no say in this, Pakistan signed a documnt in return for its 93000 POW's accepting its a bilateral issue.

Plus there is no large scale genocide in kashmir that the UN would be worried about, there are much worse cases in the world, more than one in your own backyard if you look close enough.

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Look mon ami, I simply gave my views on this issue based on the report that I read through. It seem to be a credible issue and I thought Pakistan should focus more on that as far as it's national interest are concerned and not be fixated on Palestine as primary interest. I am not here to offend anyone but rather simply state my views pertaining to this sensitive issue. Also keep in mind, while I do not have a Pakistani passport but I do have the heritage so hopefully that gives my views further credibility. As far as the global community is concerned, Canada is a global power that plays a big role in mediating global diplomatic issues especially ones that pertain to gross human rights violation and that includes Pakistan too(however not the topic of this thread).

liontk said:

However, I was simply quoting a report that has some disturbing facts pertaining to kashmere(this thread is about kashmere dispute specifically and not HR of Pakistan or other parts of India).

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so, so called "azad kasmir" is not part of kashmir....
have pakistan now treating it to be their province or something?