in its current form blk2 how effective is the JF17 against the bulk of IAF

[Hamza913]

1. Believe PAF looks to induct the Su-35.

2. Beyond the ethics / politics of the war, Yemen-Saudi conflict was a grand opportunity to test the JF-17 in actual combat. Would have indicated areas for improvement. Also a good idea for marketing.

It's already been tested against militants in Zarb E Azb. Using it in Yemen wouldn't be much different.

 

[C130]

No more with the induction of JFT block 3.

brother JF-17 is okay, but you can't compare it with Su-30,F-15,Eurofighter,Rafale, etc it's in a different class and no matter how much you upgrade it won't reach par.

if JF-17 blk2 or blk 3 was this good the Chinese would be buying hundreds of these instead of building Su-27 and buying Su-35


not saying JF-17 couldn't beat any of these planes I mentioned above, but it would all come down to a lot of factors, but JF-17 out of the gate is inferior.

 

[Zain Malik]

if JF-17 blk2 or blk 3 was this good the Chinese would be buying hundreds of these instead of building Su-27 and buying Su-35

This is the myth not solved till the day but China has inducted same version of JFT as in the form of J-10 in their fleet mainly due to thir experiments on WS engine series.
And look they are in quantity of hundreds.
you are okay with your point too. I admit

 

[Mentee]

Dude, your butthurt anus is gonna need a lot more than one truck.

Will you call it a day?

 

[Hassan Guy]

Will you call it a day?

just saying

 

[khanmubashir]

no would serve as strike pane against indian targets but most of dog fight will b done via f1 and new upcomming tfx/j31

Against the mirage 2000 the indian Mig29 and the hindu SU30 how effective is the JF17 vs the above

Russia is seriously concerned over JF-17's take over on MiG-29

 

[GR!FF!N]

JF-17 was designed to replace lower tier of PAF.It is sad to see that due to budget constrains,they're forced to make this aircraft as their backbone as well as sometimes advocating to serve the role of top tier.

Those who are trying to defend JF-17s,it is nice to see.But kindly check the difference between basic 4th gen and 4++ gen's difference.It is nice to spawn a web of lies,but facing reality will crushing.

Forget about weapons and all,what is the current range of radar of JF-17??Comparing Bars or Zhuk with Griffo is utter foolishness.

 

[C130]

no would serve as strike pane against indian targets but most of dog fight will b done via f1 and new upcomming tfx/j31

Russia is seriously concerned over JF-17's take over on MiG-29

Mig-29 is superior than the JF-17, but if the jF-17 is 80% of the solution for 1/2 of the cost then JF-17 will take over market share from the Mig-29.

and I would bet it's lot cheaper to fly and maintain the JF-17 compared to the bigger Mig-29 as well

 

[Hassan Guy]

Mig-29 is superior than the JF-17, but if the jF-17 is 80% of the solution for 1/2 of the cost then JF-17 will take over market share from the Mig-29.

and I would bet it's lot cheaper to fly and maintain the JF-17 compared to the bigger Mig-29 as well

Obviously it isn't as good as the new ones, but It isn't very far off the original soviet variants.

 

[C130]

Obviously it isn't as good as the new ones, but It isn't very far off the original soviet variants.

well let's just point out the pros of the Mig-29 over the JF-17

-supermaneuverability
-longer combat range
-higher payload
-large AESA radar
-IRST
-HMD+high off bore sight missile

 

[Hassan Guy]

well let's just point out the pros of the Mig-29 over the JF-17

-supermaneuverability
-longer combat range
-higher payload
-large AESA radar
-IRST
-HMD+high off bore sight missile

I mean we could probably get some of that on the block 3

 

[DJ_Viper]

BTW are you getting those 8 Christian F-16's ?

Hilarious counter post. I would've given you a positive rating if I could, due to the perfect, yet comic come back. A smile even with sarcasm is much better than some crazy member here threatening each other with nukes. Good post

well let's just point out the pros of the Mig-29 over the JF-17

-supermaneuverability
-longer combat range
-higher payload
-large AESA radar
-IRST
-HMD+high off bore sight missile

Bro, which block are you comparing it to? I can write about "the F-16", but I would be super off as each block brought additional capability and some brought an entirely new plane. Is the above limited to the JF-17 block I? Because in block II, some of these issues are going to be negated as the AESA is going to get block II and III's upgraded with it, add conformal fuel tanks and HMD / IRST too. So your comparison is with the basic block I essentially.

 

[CHI RULES]

It fares pretty well against the F-16's block 52, I think what I've heard is that its about 80% of block 52 but similar radar and missile range. So in BVR, it would be the missiles that matter. Both SU-30 and JFT will fire each at other at the same time pretty much due to the distance being so close, and plenty of EW due to shared borders.

I think the block III would be a better comparison as it would field an AESA, some very advance avionics (taken from the Chinese J-31 stealth program) and newer munitions. But even the block II, albeit with slightly lesser range and munitions load-out, still provides a big punch for the money and it can fire pretty much everything, JDAMS, Cruise Missiles, AShM's, BVR, etc, etc.

Future wars are going to be all based on BVR and better electronics. So I think the block II can handle its own in BVR but it does have hard point and radar limitations (simultaneous target lock and BVR guidance to 2 missiles only). So block III would be a better comparison IMO. I am waiting on members to post pics and status on Block III. Thanks

to add JF17 BLOCK-II has Spanish EW suit with better capabilities.

all of the above not good.

Mirage 2000 upgraded with RDY-2,MICA, HMD
Mig-29 upgraded before upgrade could handle F-16's
Su-30MKI is leagues above the JF-17 and F-16

Pakistan needs something better and in numbers.

In short radius involved between India and Pak the long range of non stealthy Su30 plays no role further Russian AAms are not reliable along with other tech problems in SU30 MKIs.

Mirage 2000 is good for ground attack but in A to A warfare not bettter than F16. Mig29s are also not that good, their IRST is useless.

 

[hussain0216]

Hilarious counter post. I would've given you a positive rating if I could, due to the perfect, yet comic come back. A smile even with sarcasm is much better than some crazy member here threatening each other with nukes. Good post



Bro, which block are you comparing it to? I can write about "the F-16", but I would be super off as each bought additional capability and some, an entirely new plane. Is the above limited to the JF-17 block I? Because in block II, some of these issues are going to be negated as the AESA is going to get block II and III's upgraded with it, add conformal fuel tanks and HMD / IRST too. So your comparison is with the basic block I essentially.

If we get the planned induction of 150-300 fighters with the majority upgraded with Aesa etc all data linked with Awacs and each other

They will form a formidable force against any other aircraft

 

[Path-Finder]

JF-17 was only meant to replace our old Aircraft such as Sabres and Mirages - I don't get why people think it's some kind of a cutting edge miracle plane.

ok then what exactly is it?