Time to talk to Israel

[Nefarious]

Read the Talmud, then you will see what your dealing with.

 

[Super Falcon]

Hum log mouka parast gidh nahe modi ki tarah jo haram bhi hallal samjh ka kha lein

Policies can change but Faith cannot change palestine and kashmir are issues

 

[Post Colonnial]

wouldn't Iran be upset with Pakistan if they talk to Israel?

 

[Zibago]

If we can have an embassy in New Delhi than i find no reason why we cant have one in Telaviv

 

[Shamain]

Last year when israel was animalistically bombing palestinians and there was no one to help them then palestinians haf made help plea to Pak army.

If we can have an embassy in New Delhi than i find no reason why we cant have one in Telaviv

Do u see he diff.

Israel is an entire state illegally established on palestinians' land and has no boundary they are expanding,killing expnding, killing expanding. A total illicit state. To setup embassy there u will have to accept israel as a legit state. Do u support that?

Except for Kashmir part india's territory is hers (tho she has usurped many states that were supposed to become pakistan's part like hyderabad ,junagadh etc)
So india and israel in this particular regard are diff tho in the sense of terrorism they are same.

And those who are living in the wonderland that we will have say in palestinian issue that way, then they must see how israel treats her mom usa who has fed and raised this bloodthirsty illegal sick state.

Oh and one more thing Pakistnis need to grow up vey badly. This line of thinking that if arab states arent sincere to us which they arent and also that they have backdoor diplomacy with israel then we shud get emotional and act impulsively and immediately go and establish ties with israel over that.

NO. Udont build ties on such silly reasoning ,u do after analyzing things on all fronts; moral,economic, defence etc and this one flatly fails on the moral front.

Doosron ko dekh dekh kay kab tak chalna hai? Cnt we paksitanis think independently, free of any any influence?

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Very true, establishing diplomatic relations with Israel is not akin to joining hands with Israelis to kill innocent Palestinians.

I have no issues with "recognising" israel... But... I see no benefit in doing so... I see more negatives that positive here...

Israel can't and will not use its clout to help Pak.... I don't see any economic benefit if recognising Israel... No defence deals (we can get the same tech from other countries - including those who have defence ties with them)..

I see more negatives ... Our ties going sour with arab world and muslim world in general... I see massive domestic issues by doing that...


So what do we gain by recognising Israel?

In my opinion we should bolster our ties with US,Russia ,Iran,Afghanistan,arab and Central Asian States... And other regional states like nepal,myanmar and even bangladesh.... Rather than Israel.

 

[Shamain]

Hi,

The Palestinians made their decision when they walked out of Camp David----. Arafat---in his arrogance and deceit---did more damage to the cause of Palestine that day---than could have been done otherwise---.

The Palestinians are suffering the blunders and deceits of their great leader. Pakistan has no dog in this fight---. If the palestnians cannot make better decisions for themselves----we are a nobody.



Hi,

There are no statements---but it is understood what the value would be like.

Then u will have similar cruel views on kashmir issue.

I know despite having secret ties with israel all the arab nations will raise a storm on building ties with israel and we lose support form them on kashmir cause tho the loss of support on kashmir doesnt bother me cuz when we have indian bootlicking pakistanis when it comes to kashmir so pinning hopes with outsiders is futile.
Anyways, despite losing kashmir support we will not have much to gain from israelis. They dont want to see us prospering and growing. Have been involved in the efforts to denuclearize Pakistan.

But then maybe the last worst thing left for me to hear from u is to see u passing similar cruel statement on kashmir as u did on palestine.

 

[Menace2Society]

In the wider context it could possibly have negative impact on relations with other countries.

Unless you are firmly in US camp which you are not.

 

[Viper0011.]

This crap was expected from Express Tribune nothing new. No talk will be done with Israel until Palestinian state is established with Jerusalem as its capital.

Why do you have this stance and Saudia, Malaysia, Turkey, Indonesia.......have establish relationships with Israel? When you talk to someone, you may be able to influence them in doing something out of friendship. When you don't talk and have animosity (Unnecessary on top of it), what difference does it make to Israel?

 

[flameboard]

The non recognition of Israel has a been a big pain for it. Its airlines can't even flyover Asia and Africa properly. Now with the BDS movement against Israel. Israel is feeling the pinch. This is how it started to for Apartheid South Africa, similarly Nazi Germany..

Israel will not help Pakistan, even if Pakistan recognizes it... they're already close with India.... why would they jeopardize something they've worked so hard at building with India? Only thing it would show is that Pakistan is a pushover state..

 

[Umair Nawaz]

To help solve the Israel Palestine issue, Pakistan needs diplomatic leverage with Israel, it would also benefit our nation to join the vast majority of the world in having formal relations with the Israelis.

It is no use protesting from where we are, we have no say, no relevance. If we build ties, then perhaps we can exert pressure through diplomatic channels if the will of the people of Pakistan is so.

its not the right time. Pakistan must show its interests of israel's technology, agriculture, defence, education, water management and industry as well as its policies of shared things.

Palestine or other things will not help us grow and smooth flow of our own benefits from them. Our relation's crux should strictly be economical with give n take policy for a common benefit and good. However even for that its not the right time. We must first get an input from those countries like Turkey, Indonesia, Malaysia etc etc who already have relations with them and how is their own experience.

But in future if the positive vibes come and we r guaranteed of a common mutual benefit relation on give n take basis then yes why not in the above mentioned themes.

@500 what do u think?

 

[Zibago]

Last year when israel was animalistically bombing palestinians and there was no one to help them then palestinians haf made help plea to Pak army.


Do u see he diff.

Israel is an entire state illegally established on palestinians' land and has no boundary they are expanding,killing expnding, killing expanding. A total illicit state. To setup embassy there u will have to accept israel as a legit state. Do u support that?

Except for Kashmir part india's territory is hers (tho she has usurped many states that were supposed to become pakistan's part like hyderabad ,junagadh etc)
So india and israel in this particular regard are diff tho in the sense of terrorism they are same.

And those who are living in the wonderland that we will have say in palestinian issue that way, then they must see how israel treats her mom usa who has fed and raised this bloodthirsty illegal sick state.

Oh and one more thing Pakistnis need to grow up vey badly. This line of thinking that if arab states arent sincere to us which they arent and also that they have backdoor diplomacy with israel then we shud get emotional and act impulsively and immediately go and establish ties with israel over that.

NO. Udont build ties on such silly reasoning ,u do after analyzing things on all fronts; moral,economic, defence etc and this one flatly fails on the moral front.

Doosron ko dekh dekh kay kab tak chalna hai? Cnt we paksitanis think independently, free of any any influence?

India has covertly and overtly harmed us while israel only has allegdly harmed us if we can have relations with a country who created mukti than i find no reason why we cant have relations with Israel

its not the right time. Pakistan must show its interests of israel's technology, agriculture, defence, education, water management and industry as well as its policies of shared things.

Palestine or other things will not help us grow and smooth flow of our own benefits from them. Our relation's crux should strictly be economical with give n take policy for a common benefit and good. However even for that its not the right time. We must first get an input from those countries like Turkey, Indonesia, Malaysia etc etc who already have relations with them and how is their own experience.

But in future if the positive vibes come and we r guaranteed of a common mutual benefit relation on give n take basis then yes why not in the above mentioned themes.

@500 what do u think?

@Shamain see this guy talks sense,he wants a mutually beneficial relation with Israel

 

[Shamain]

India has covertly and overtly harmed us while israel only has allegdly harmed us if we can have relations with a country who created mukti than i find no reason why we cant have relations with Israel


@Shamain see this guy talks sense,he wants a mutually beneficial relation with Israel

Question is will israel also want to have similar relationship with us.
Then incase we have relations with israel and they launch offensive on gaza as they have been doing offlately ,we will still go cosy with the give and take relationship and stay mum on atrocities and killing mayhem madness?
Then again isaid this state has no boundaries ,they keep razing down palestinians houses to create jewish settlements.

If we will speak up wont it sour relationship with them?

I somehow dont see much advantage coming out of it. Secondly, it seems too impossible for israel to cooperate on defence and tech with us.
With indi being close frnd of israel and knowing our stance and support for palestine, despite all diplomatic relationships israel will never cooperate in these fields else she will risk losing india which obviouly she doesnt want to.

And one more thing we have one of the best irrigation systems in the world, if u want water management support why not go to netherlands and ask help.
The country's land mass is below sea level who risks sinking under flood waters but they have on time built dams and installed flood control systems. We can ask them for help.........

 

[OldenWisdom...قول بزرگ]

Israel is not a sane entity. It's leaders live in hubris and hostility towards it's neighbors. In fact there is utter contempt towards Muslims in general. With leaders as Natanyahu and lineup brewing you can't reason let alone conversate with hateful, vengeful and most importantly pretentious zionists.

 

[MastanKhan]

Then u will have similar cruel views on kashmir issue.

I know despite having secret ties with israel all the arab nations will raise a storm on building ties with israel and we lose support form them on kashmir cause tho the loss of support on kashmir doesnt bother me cuz when we have indian bootlicking pakistanis when it comes to kashmir so pinning hopes with outsiders is futile.
Anyways, despite losing kashmir support we will not have much to gain from israelis. They dont want to see us prospering and growing. Have been involved in the efforts to denuclearize Pakistan.

But then maybe the last worst thing left for me to hear from u is to see u passing similar cruel statement on kashmir as u did on palestine.

That is stupid and brainless---Shamain---. What is this idiocy of ' bootlicking pakistanis ' comment---.

The issue here is Israel and Palestine came in-----. Where does Kashmir come into it----.