Syrian Civil War (Graphic Photos/Vid Not Allowed)

[libertad]

I have news for u: US is involved in Syria and Iraq up to its neck, bombing on daily basis.

Bombings are against daesh. Compared to daesh or al qaeda, Assad looks like a pretty decent guy. Yes we have supported FSA but most Americans disapprove of this. Syria is not Obama's or America's problem. You could make a case Iraq is because of the invasion. If you want a no fly zone over Syria then it is YOU who should implement it. Israel, Turkey, GCC all want it so they should put it. What are you waiting for? Obama is not stopping you. GCCs don't have a problem bombing Houthis who are not barrel bombing anyone so why don't they go to Syria and put a no fly zone? Why wait for Obama? Do it yourself.

 

[500]

Bombings are against daesh. Compared to daesh or al qaeda, Assad looks like a pretty decent guy.

How is that? Assad killed and keeps killing much much more. In addition he gassed and starved people.

Syria is not Obama's or America's problem.

Then why he is bombing there on daily basis?

If you want a no fly zone over Syria then it is YOU who should implement it.

I dont want US to be involved neither in Syria nor in Iraq. But if they are sending their jets every day then they should do something to stop this Nazi style atrocities.

 

[bsruzm]

Israel, Turkey, GCC all want it so they should put it. What are you waiting for?

None of those unnecessarily occupy a chair in UNSC but U.S. does so what are you waiting for?

 

[Saif al-Arab]

How is that? Assad killed and keeps killing much much more. In addition he gassed and starved people.


Then why he is bombing there on daily basis?


I dont want US to be involved neither in Syria nor in Iraq. But if they are sending their jets every day then they should do something to stop this Nazi style atrocities.

Exactly. Not to forget Obama's "red lines" that were crossed 100 times. Gaddafi, although a madman, and his regime did not even come close to murdering as many Libyans as the Al-Assad regime has murdered their own (Syrians), yet the US and NATO were VERY eager to remove him.

As I wrote earlier in this thread, the West does not care particularly much about Syria other than preventing the rise of Daesh outside of the ME (mainly preventing them from targeting the West and key Western interests in the region) and the giant refugee crisis. Ironically the latter would not even be close to what it is if the international community had acted in Syria years ago and sticked to their promises. We would not have seen the rise of Daesh either in Syria. It would at most be confined to certain areas of Iraq (Al-Anbar, Ninawa, Salah ad-Din, Babil, Baghdad and Diyala).

 

[atatwolf]

https://twitter.com/x/status/626845716204253184

No more games. We tried to be nice and certain people took advantage.

 

[libertad]

How is that? Assad killed and keeps killing much much more. In addition he gassed and starved people.

I dont want US to be involved neither in Syria nor in Iraq. But if they are sending their jets every day then they should do something to stop this Nazi style atrocities.

Do you share this concern with the people of Yemen being bombed by the KSA government? Just the other day 140 civilians were killed after KSA bombed a power plant and workers dorm. Why no calls for a no fly zone over Yemen who are being bombed by a foreign country against all international laws? Why no calls for a no fly zone over Gaza as you bombed UN compounds killing hundreds of kids? Who am I kidding? You are a filthy hypocrite. You guys have the perfect word for it...'Chutzpah'.

Then why he is bombing there on daily basis?

He's bombing daesh, but he doesn't do it enough. I can't make sense of US foreign policy, but I am always glad when there is no escalation. A nfz would be an escalation. FTR I would love nothing more than a total withdrawal of US involvement in the ME. You should be thankful Obama is supporting FSA because no one is supporting this, but he's doing it anyway. Now you want him to put a no fly zone. Why? What's going on in Syria is none of our business. Like I said before if you want a nfz, Israel, Turkey and GCCs should implement it themselves.

None of those unnecessarily occupy a chair in UNSC but U.S. does so what are you waiting for?

Even if it happened through UNSC it be vetoed by Russia and China so that wouldn't do it either. You don't need UNSC permission to bomb PKK why do you need it for no fly zone?

 

[Saif al-Arab]

Do you share this concern with the people of Yemen being bombed by the KSA government? Just the other day 140 civilians were killed after KSA bombed a power plant and workers dorm. Why no calls for a no fly zone over Yemen who are being bombed by a foreign country against all international laws? Why no calls for a no fly zone over Gaza as you bombed UN compounds killing hundreds of kids? Who am I kidding? You are a filthy hypocrite. You guys have the perfect word for it...'Chutzpah'.



He's bombing daesh, but he doesn't do it enough. I can't make sense of US foreign policy, but I am always glad when there is no escalation. A nfz would be an escalation. FTR I would love nothing more than a total withdrawal of US involvement in the ME. You should be thankful Obama is supporting FSA because no one is supporting this, but he's doing it anyway. Now you want him to put a no fly zone. Why? What's going on in Syria is none of our business. Like I said before if you want a nfz, Israel, Turkey and GCCs should implement it themselves.



Even if it happened through UNSC it be vetoed by Russia and China so that wouldn't do it either. You don't need UNSC permission to bomb PKK why do you need it for no fly zone?

Farsi, the Arab intervention in Yemen has been approved by the UN, the Yemeni president and the Arab League. It's intended to remove a murderous terror cult (Houthi's) from large areas of Yemen which they have been occupying since September 2014 after their illegal coup d'état which was condemned by the UN and world community.

Secondly in such air campaigns and wars in general it's impossible to avoid civilian casualties but nothing that KSA or others that take part have done can be described as systematic war crimes like the 1000 times bigger and 1000 times longer and more systematic crimes of your favorite Al-Assad. So your comparison is moronic.

The Houthi's are deliberately hiding among civilians too which has been confirmed again and again by independent sources.

Besides the Houthi's are shelling large areas of Yemen and have killed as many if not more civilians since the conflict began. You might ask the people of Aden and other areas of Southern Yemen. They did not take power in Yemen while handling out roses before the intervention occurred either.

Every sane person can see that Syria has been abandoned and that the Syrian people have been lied to by the Kenyan clown Obama.

And no, KSA or the coalition are not innocent in Yemen nor is the Syrian opposition that in Syria but that's always the case in WARS. That's why they are called wars.

Yet it should be plain obvious for every sane person that the Al-Assad regime's crimes are not crimes that you can make excuses for in any way nor are they comparable to anything seen in the region.

 

[Falcon29]

Farsi, the Arab intervention in Yemen has been approved by the UN, the Yemeni president and the Arab League. It's intended to remove a murderous terror cult (Houthi's) from large areas of Yemen which they have been occupying since September 2014 after their illegal coup d'état which was condemned by the UN and world community.

Secondly in such air campaigns and wars in general it's impossible to avoid civilian casualties but nothing that KSA or others that take part have done can be described as systematic war crimes like the 1000 times bigger and 1000 times longer and more systematic crimes of your favorite Al-Assad. So your comparison is moronic.

The Houthi's are deliberately hiding among civilians too which has been confirmed again and again by independent sources.

Besides the Houthi's are shelling large areas of Yemen and have killed as many if not more civilians since the conflict began. You might ask the people of Aden and other areas of Southern Yemen. They did not take power in Yemen while handling out roses before the intervention occurred either.

Every sane person can see that Syria has been abandoned and that the Syrian people have been lied to by the Kenyan clown Obama.

And no, KSA or the coalition are not innocent in Yemen nor is the Syrian opposition that in Syria but that's always the case in WARS. That's why they are called wars.

Yet it should be plain obvious for every sane person that the Al-Assad regime's crimes are not crimes that you can make excuses for in any way nor are they comparable to anything seen in the region.

They weren't abandoned by Obama, they were abandoned by the so called 'Muslim Arabs' around them. Every Arab that supports our regimes is directly responsible for their suffering. And get thousands of sins in the process.

We need to stop blaming Obama, blame the Jordanian, Iraqi, Egyptian, Lebanese, UAE, Saudi, Palestinian authority regimes. Do you know that Jordan supports Assad? No matter how much nonsense they feed to the Arab public. All their actions suggest that they prefer the Assad regime.

I don't know what's so hard for you to people to just admit your regimes are the problem.

 

[Saif al-Arab]

They weren't abandoned by Obama, they were abandoned by the so called 'Muslim Arabs' around them. Every Arab that supports our regimes is directly responsible for their suffering. And get thousands of sins in the process.

The regimes in the Arab AND Muslim world are to be blamed as well but those regimes are not the US. They were not talking about "red lines" openly nor have they a history of removing dictators across the Arab and Muslim world that they do not like.

How many conflicts between Arab states can you mention outside of the Iraq-Kuwait war (First Gulf War), the Algerian and Moroccan war (very short) and the Yemen civil war where Egypt under Nasser played a major role?

Now how many US interventions can you count just in the last 20 years?

Removing Gaddafi happened in an instant who was many times better than Assad yet they don't bother in Syria despite obvious and systematic war crimes not seen this bad in the region since like forever. Everything from a systematic starving campaign, gassing of people, mass-killings of civilians in massacres all across rural Syria, indiscriminate barrel bombardments almost EACH single day for 1-2 years now.

Also Obama won't do anything in favor of Palestine. The US administration is a huge obstacle to peace in the ME. They are supporting those same regimes, they are not pressuring Israel enough to solve the Palestinian question, they are claiming to want to spread democracy etc. and prevent tyrants from murdering their people yet they have looked silently at Al-Assad's butchering but they don't want to leave the region either and their bases.

Both are trash.

The Kenyan Obama is no different to Bush. They are just puppets/figureheads anyway both of them. They have an apparatus consisting of 1000's of people who take the decisions. He has no option but following their advice.

I don't care about democrat and republican or American policies but just saying it as I and most persons see it.

Also where is their spread of democracy among Arab regimes? Where is their support for reformers? Nowhere to be seen. They want puppets and a weak region. Nothing more.

 

[Falcon29]

The regimes in the Arab AND Muslim world are to be blamed as well but those regimes are not the US. They were not talking about "red lines" openly nor have they a history of removing dictators across the Arab and Muslim world that they do not like.

Removing Gaddafi happened in an instant who was many times better than Assad yet they don't bother in Syria despite obvious and systematic war crimes not seen this bad in the region since like forever. Everything from a systematic starving campaign, gassing of people, mass-killings of civilians in massacres all across rural Syria, indiscriminate barrel bombardments almost EACH single day for 1-2 years now.

Also Obama won't do anything in favor of Palestine. The US administration is a huge obstacle to peace in the ME. They are supporting those same regimes, they are not pressuring Israel enough to solve the Palestinian question, they are claiming to want to spread democracy etc. and prevent tyrants from murdering their people yet they have looked silently at Al-Assad's butchering but they don't want to leave the region either and their bases.

Both are trash.

Christians aren't going to do anything for Muslims. You need to reread your history, they view the Middle East as their land and their civilization they developed that we conquered. And they want revenge, don't expect anything from them. Today they are less religious, so economic benefits will dictate their actions. They will gain nothing out of a burned down Syria which is no longer agriculturally able and has no natural resources.

 

[500]

Do you share this concern with the people of Yemen being bombed by the KSA government? Just the other day 140 civilians were killed after KSA bombed a power plant and workers dorm. Why no calls for a no fly zone over Yemen who are being bombed by a foreign country against all international laws? Why no calls for a no fly zone over Gaza as you bombed UN compounds killing hundreds of kids? Who am I kidding? You are a filthy hypocrite. You guys have the perfect word for it...'Chutzpah'.

First of all you have reading comprehension problems. I clearly said that I dont want US to be involved at all.

But since US is HEAVILY involved in Syria & Iraq in name of saving Kurds and poor Shia militias, dropping thousands of bombs every month, I find it suck that they do absolutely NOTHING to protect Syrians and Iraqis under barrel bombs and IRAM rockets.

As for Yemen or Gaza, no illegal barrel bombs are used there and number of casualties are 100 times less than in Syria, no millions of refugees etc etc (nearly half of Syria population are refugees!).

He's bombing daesh, but he doesn't do it enough.

So 5 minutes ago u said Syria is not US problem, now u are saying that thousands bombs they drop are not enough.

You want US to bomb ISIS like crazy and in same time do nothing against Assad who is much bigger criminal. So you are hypocrite.

In contrast to u, I dont have any double standards. My position is that US should not involve, but if they come, they should protect civilians from both sides.

 

[Falcon29]

First of all you have reading comprehension problems. I clearly said that I dont want US to be involved at all.

But since US is HEAVILY involved in Syria & Iraq in name of saving Kurds and poor Shia militias, dropping thousands of bombs every month, I find it suck that they do absolutely NOTHING to protect Syrians and Iraqis under barrel bombs and IRAM rockets.

As for Yemen or Gaza, no illegal barrel bombs are used there and number of casualties are 100 times less than in Syria, no millions of refugees etc etc (nearly half of Syria population are refugees!).


So 5 minutes ago u said Syria is not US problem, now u are saying that thousands bombs they drop are not enough.

You want US to bomb ISIS like crazy and in same time do nothing against Assad who is much bigger criminal. So you are hypocrite.

In contrast to u, I dont have any double standards. My position is that US should not involve, but if they come, they should protect civilians from both sides.

Don't compare a 6 year stalemate war to a 1 month bombing campaign. If you bombed Gaza for 6 years the casualties will surpass those of the Syrian conflict.

 

[Saif al-Arab]

Christians aren't going to do anything for Muslims. You need to reread your history, they view the Middle East as their land and their civilization they developed that we conquered. And they want revenge, don't expect anything from them. Today they are less religious, so economic benefits will dictate their actions. They will gain nothing out of a burned down Syria which is no longer agriculturally able and has no natural resources.

What? The Middle East (the cradle of civilization or more precise the Arab world) has nothing to do with the West. They had their crusades which ended terribly for them 800 years ago and then in the recent 150 years they started to colonize the region and gain influence on all fronts. That does not make it "their" region and I doubt that they see it this way either.

True, Europe and the Arab world are neighbors with common ties on many fronts for millenniums but by that logic we Arabs can have a much bigger claim to Spain, Portugal, Southern Italy, Malta, Cyprus, Crete etc. Regions that we actually ruled for millenniums and longer than Europeans were present in the ME or equally as long is we include the Romans in North Africa and the Arab Middle East (From Northern Hijaz to Northern Sham).

What I am saying is that the US are bankrolling the same Arab regimes that we are complaining about. I don't expect anything from those regimes as they are only working for their interests which is logical. Never did. Not talking about the people here.

What I am saying here is that Obama is no different to his predecessor and I don't see how he is better for Arabs than past presidents such as Clinton for instance. In my eyes Clinton was better although his presidency was before my time.

Now he is also shaking hands with Iran and he will probably tolerate increasing meddling from the Mullah's in the Arab world which will create more misery.

Also he won't do anything for Palestine either. If he would he could/would have done that years ago.

Once again that's why the Arab world and regimes need to unite and we as Arabs too regardless of different opinions but it seems that the retards do not understand this.

They were barking of some unified Arab joint force months ago? Where is that join force? How hard can it be to create? The region is on fire but still nothing. I wonder if anyone is preventing this but the reality is that if they really bothered not even the US could prevent us from doing that. It's beyond hopeless.

Those Iranians/Shias or whoever is crying about the GCC while living in the West should bark to their leaders why they are bankrolling the same leaders in the GCC. What the hell do the common man to do with it in the GCC? Nothing. They can't do anything. Yet we never hear barking from them when it comes to the Mullah's of Iran or their allies (Assad mass-murderer, Houthi terrorist cult etc.).

 

[Falcon29]

What? The Middle East (the cradle of civilization or more precise the Arab world) has nothing to do with the West. They had their crusades which ended terribly for them 800 years ago and then in the recent 150 years they started to colonize the region and gain influence on all fronts. That does not make it "their" region and I doubt that they see it this way either.

True, Europe and the Arab world are neighbors with common ties on many fronts for millenniums but by that logic we Arabs can have a much bigger claim to Spain, Portugal, Southern Italy, Malta, Cyprus, Crete etc. Regions that we actually ruled for millenniums and longer than Europeans were present in the ME or equally as long is we include the Romans in North Africa and the Arab Middle East (From Northern Hijaz to Northern Sham).

What I am saying is that the US are bankrolling the same Arab regimes that we are complaining about. I don't expect anything from those regimes as they are only working for their interests which is logical. Never did. Not talking about the people here.

What I am saying here is that Obama is no different to his predecessor and I don't see how he is better for Arabs than past presidents such as Clinton for instance. In my eyes Clinton was better although his presidency was before my time.

Now he is also shaking hands with Iran and he will probably tolerate increasing meddling from the Mullah's in the Arab world which will create more misery.

Also he won't do anything for Palestine either. If he would he could/would have done that years ago.

Once again that's why the Arab world and regimes need to unite and we as Arabs too regardless of different opinions but it seems that the retards do not understand this.

The people who don't want to unite are Jordanian government, UAE government, Egyptian government, Palestinian Authority, in some cases Saudi Arabian government as well. They are the people who oppose reconcilaton or unity and instead 24/7 demonizing everyone else and trying to dominate them.

I don't think you realize it or you're ignoring it. All these entities are attacking MB activists, jailing them, won't allow them to have mosques, giving billions to Sisi government publicly announing that it is for war against MB. PA saying the residents of Gaza will suffer as long as Hamas which was elected doesn't dissappear and disarm.

 

[Saif al-Arab]

The people who don't want to unite are Jordanian government, UAE government, Egyptian government, Palestinian Authority, in some cases Saudi Arabian government as well. They are the people who oppose reconcilaton or unity and instead 24/7 demonizing everyone else and trying to dominate them.

Regimes have their own agendas that is mostly centered on staying in power and trying to gain as much goodwill among the powers of the world but the opposition groups/organizations have their faults too. We have to realize that while there are millions anti-Arab regime supporters or just people like me who want to see changes peacefully and not necessarily calling for any armed conflicts agains them (I am not as it will just become worse) there are millions of people who support them 100% and that's just how it is.

Now what I have been calling for, for years are new visions and expanding the Arab League and transforming it into a truly meaningful organization that can help the people in the Arab world and not the closed coffee club that it is. I have never seen a single Arab from any country having even the opportunity to speak about the region, their visions, dreams or speaking directly to the leaders. I don't understand, especially in globalized times like that, why Arabs cannot sit down and work on such basics.

Look at Europeans. 100's of different ethic group, languages, totally different cultures, people who have been killing each other for longer and more brutally than any other people in history and who just 70 years ago killed almost 100 MILLION of each other (250.000 just 20 years ago in the Balkans (center of Europe) can cooperate such closely on ALL fields yet the Arab regimes that have 1000 times more in common with each other cannot. Even in the GCC there are silly idiotic rivalries. Just look at the KSA and Qatar relations.

I am lost for words. Even here on PDF when I try to discuss such topics among the Arab users it seems that most don't care even so much as to try to take part in such discussions. Not sure if they are content with the status quo, are afraid of speaking or whatever it is. Normally we tend to be very vocal about politics and everyone has a solution and is very good at speaking out and telling everything what should be done but the number of people who are actually doing anything on the ground is minimal…..

We the diaspora have a special role here and we have failed too.

Now let's discuss Shia-Sunni nonsense, Hamas, House of Saud etc. while the region is a gigantic mess. Not sure why I keep caring. A few troublemakers have hijacked the region completed and poisoned enough people to make the cleaning job more difficult than ever imagined.