Iran: A "Role Model" For Pakistan To Get Self-Reliance in Defence

[Bilal.]

@Irfan Baloch @Jango

Kindly stop this necroposting menace...

 

[Serpentine]

Iranians could not use western equipement because they did not have the spare parts or munitions.

That's not true, almost all western jets in Iran are operational, we have been locally producing most of the spare parts, otherwise, it is completely impossible to fly a 50 year old F-4 for example without proper maintenance.

You cant have sunni only mosques in Iran

It is always advised not to talk about something that you have zero knowledge about. This pathetic lie has been countered too many times, yet the level of brainwashing seems to be stronger.

 

[ArsalanKhan21]

What is a sunni only mosque?

Iranians repeat this like a parrot. In Pakistan, Shias have their own mosques and Hussainyas, Should we close them down and force them to attend Sunni Mosques ?

 

[B+ Dracula]

In addition to the lack of economic resources; Pakistan’s problem is ethnic rivalry and that many in Pakistan still consider themselves more as Pashtun, Sindhi, Punjabi, Mahajir & Baluchi and not as Pakistani. Can you imagine that in the 21st Century Pakistan people are dragged out of Busses and shot simply because they were not Baluchi and / or because they were Shia on their way home to Gilgit!

Until such time that Fracking technology is able to use brackish water, Pakistan’s’ tight gas reserves would not be exploited. Until such time that Baluch Sardars start thinking like a Pakistani, Rekodiq Gold & Copper reserves will remain under ground. Until such time that Pashtuns & Sindhi nationalists keep their opposition to Kala Bagh Dam, Pakistan’s water resources will remain unexploited. TTP will be controlled but until such time Salafi/Wahhabi/Takfiri section of the population stops supporting SSP & LeJ, sectarian killings in Pakistan will continue and resulting Law & order problem will continue impeding Pakistan’s march towards progress.

International sanctions forced Iran to move towards innovation but Iran’s Self Reliance is a myth. Pakistan never had the immense oil wealth that Iran has (largest gas reserves & 2nd or 3rd largest oil reserves in the world!); despite this Iran can never be a role model for Pakistan. Main reason being that Pakistan has larger pool of scientists & engineers than Iran.

What Pakistan needs is at least 10 years of interprovincial & Shia/Sunni harmony. My hero Iqbal correctly declared:

“Zara nam ho to ye mitti bahaut zarkkhaise hai saaqi”. Meaning ours is a very fertile soil; all it needs is a little water.

Your Patriotic comment is a voice of every sincere Pakistani.....Iqbal is also my favorite... his Painful laments still apply in todays scenario

 

[ArsalanKhan21]

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These bad habits were picked up from the Hindu caste practices. I don't think they matter in Pakistan urban areas anymore.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

For me the Iranians are a model in:-

1. Education
2. Social progressive
3. Patriotism
4. Stable/unity
5. Sophisticated culture
6. Egalitarian ethos

They are in my opinion the most advanced Muslim society. Their misfortune is they are in the wrong place. If there had been any justice they would have been on the Meditaranean Europe.

 

[B+ Dracula]

The only reason Kashmir issue is still alive and politician have not traded it for money is the fear of Army...but then again I regret Army for being so quiet and inactive on an issue so critical to Pakistan's existence...water...no future without it....you wont build damns and soon you will loose rights to that water...that is the Indus water treaty.

Very Painful comments dear
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If Pathans have some delusions about Noshahra existence ....then Punjab must show bigheartedness and transfer some of its land as Gift to Paktunkhawa including the land where Kalabagh Project will take place atleast that'll put an end to the suffering of Flood Disaster every year

These bad habits were picked up from the Hindu caste practices. I don't think they matter in Pakistan urban areas anymore.

Read above comments of Niaz bro (#326) then compare it with above Iqbal Stanzas....you'll trace some fault lines that still exists today

 

[Zibago]

What is a sunni only mosque? Like if a shia or a Christian wants to walk in, you're gonna block him b/c it's a sunni only mosque? That concept doesn't even make any sense to me.

Are you talking about a mosque with only sunni imams? They have those in Sunni areas. WTF is your issue then?

Sunnis and shias pray differently and at different times yet there is no sunni mosque inTehran which means that Iran doesnot allow Sunnis to practice their sect freely

 

[Irfan Baloch]

this is BEYOND shocking!!!! & as for pakistanis calling "IRAN A ROLE MODEL IN SELF RELIENCE"


LET THOSE PAKISTANIS NOT FORGET THAT IRAN WAS THE ONE THAT SNITCHED ON A.Q.KHAN and told the world PAKISTAN helped us with centrfigues! which brought shame onto pakistan.

they were found out by the UN observers
there was no way to deny for them. our centrifuge models were well known and its not just Iran but Libya also confessed eventually. dont think that Iran willingly sold us out. they have been ever since living under the threat of Saudi/ Israeli air-strikes and seen their scientists and engineers executed by death squads ever since.

 

[xyxmt]

Very Painful comments dear
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If Pathans have some delusions about Noshahra existence ....then Punjab must show bigheartedness and transfer some of its land as Gift to Paktunkhawa including the land where Kalabagh Project will take place atleast that'll put an end to the suffering of Flood Disaster every year


Read above comments of Niaz bro (#326) then compare it with above Iqbal Stanzas....you'll trace some fault lines that still exists today

do you know where Kalabagh is, its in Punjab...a big part of Kalabagh damn will cover Punjab...in fact my father's anestral village would have come under water, but no one there had any objection to it...yes they were upset but its necessary and they know it. ANP's objection is not that Noshahra will come under water but the underground water level might increase in Noshahra (remember Noshahra is not a plain). But why should Punjab show bigheartedness what is Punjab, its a province just like other provinces...I find it silly when someone says Punjab or sind show bigheartedness Its a national project and Pakistan will benefit from it. Or we have the other option, what we are seeing now...sink entire South Punjab, part of KPK and a big part of Sind every year....wise people make wise choices

 

[Indus Pakistan]

What is a sunni only mosque? Like if a shia or a Christian wants to walk in, you're gonna block him b/c it's a sunni only mosque? That concept doesn't even make any sense to me.

Are you talking about a mosque with only sunni imams? They have those in Sunni areas. WTF is your issue then?

I am laughing. Shows you have not been exposed to the real world yet .....

Ps. You don't block them. You decapitate them.

 

[Daneshmand]

Sunnis and shias pray differently and at different times yet there is no sunni mosque inTehran which means that Iran doesnot allow Sunnis to practice their sect freely

Not true. There are Sunni mosques in Iran, as well as in Tehran. But these are mostly in areas that have high Sunni population eg West/South West Iran and South/South East Iran. If you mean Iran must put a Wahabi Imam at every mosque/madrassah in Iran and subsidize them as Pakistan has done, then that is not going to happen. Because then the Wahabis will take over Iran and despite their minuscule numbers will create intractable problems as you can see with your own eyes in Pakistan.

All for what? To make a few internet trolls happy? Jeopardize a nation for such a ridiculous reason? You are insane.

You can pretend whatever you want, but the truth is, Iranian society as a whole has a different interpretation of the role of religion in society. Unlike in countries like Pakistan, religion is not the only ideology or goal for the people of Iran. In fact, let me tell you this, alot of Iranian Sunnis specially the Iranian Kords are much more liberal than even the Shia Iranians. It is better to keep your mouth shut when you do not know about something.

You can go on now and divide people based on their ethnicity, language, sect and what not. And then bundle them neatly into their "mosques", "madrassahs", "schools", villages and cities. But do so in your own country. And do not expect Iran to follow you. Because that is exactly what Iran does not want to do. Such caste based thinking of endless divisions and rivalary between divisions comes from other cultures and beliefs systems eg. in your case from your Hindu past and for Arabs from their Bedouin tribalism. Iran has its own unique identity and does not need to follow such BS from other cultures.

For me the Iranians are a model in:-

1. Education
2. Social progressive
3. Patriotism
4. Stable/unity
5. Sophisticated culture
6. Egalitarian ethos

They are in my opinion the most advanced Muslim society. Their misfortune is they are in the wrong place. If there had been any justice they would have been on the Meditaranean Europe.

On a lighter note, if Iran was in Europe then who would have been the role model here? God put us here for a reason.

 

[xyxmt]

For me the Iranians are a model in:-

1. Education
2. Social progressive
3. Patriotism
4. Stable/unity
5. Sophisticated culture
6. Egalitarian ethos

They are in my opinion the most advanced Muslim society. Their misfortune is they are in the wrong place. If there had been any justice they would have been on the Meditaranean Europe.

my role modal is Canada, I can stop on a side of a highway and pray...no one will come arrest me or throw stones at me for not raising my hand on every takbir.

 

[Zibago]

Not true. There are Sunni mosques in Iran, as well as in Tehran. But these are mostly in areas that have high Sunni population eg West/South West Iran and South/South East Iran. If you mean Iran must put a Wahabi Imam at every mosque/madrassah in Iran and subsidize them as Pakistan has done, then that is not going to happen. Because then the Wahabis will take over Iran and despite their minuscule numbers will create intractable problems as you can see with your own eyes in Pakistan.

All for what? To make a few internet trolls happy? Jeopardize a nation for such a ridiculous reason? You are insane.

You can pretend whatever you want, but the truth is, Iranian society as a whole has a different interpretation of the role of religion in society. Unlike in countries like Pakistan, religion is not the only ideology or goal for the people of Iran. In fact, let me tell you this, alot of Iranian Sunnis specially the Iranian Kords are much more liberal than even the Shia Iranians. It is better to keep your mouth shut when you do not know about something.

You can go on now and divide people based on their ethnicity, language, sect and what not. And then bundle them neatly into their "mosques", "madrassahs", "schools", villages and cities. But do so in your own country. And do not expect Iran to follow you. Because that is exactly what Iran does not want to do. Such caste based thinking of endless divisions and rivalary between divisions comes from other cultures and beliefs systems eg. in your case from your Hindu past and for Arabs from their Bedouin tribalism. Iran has its own unique identity and does not need to follow such BS from other cultures.



On a lighter note, if Iran was in Europe then who would have been the role model here? God put us here for a reason.

In Pakistan all sects have exclusive mosques where they pray according to their own sect and gov doesnot enforce any sect on people there are huge shia imam bargahs in Islamabad where Shias pray

 

[The Last of us]

In Pakistan all sects have exclusive mosques where they pray according to their own sect and gov doesnot enforce any sect on people there are huge shia imam bargahs in Islamabad where Shias pray

Yes, and Pakistan is a paragon of security, peace and prosperity? You delude people think Iran will be implementing your system? it should be the other way around. Iran is vastly more secure and prosperous than Pakistan despite even the sanctions. A country that creates such ridiculous concepts such as Sunni and Shia mosque is bound to divide its country which is one of the factors that made Pakistan a borderline broken society.

Hi,

Thank you for your post---without oil---Iran would be a nobody---.

Blaming your backward state on lack of oil is a typical cheap and uneducated mindset that people like yourself have shown. There is only one problem with your logic, oil does not mean much when you can't sell it. Iran during the last half decade has been severely sanctioned and unable to sell any considerable amount of oil, and even when it did, it could not get the money due to SWIFT sanctions. But guess what? Even despite this, Iran is still vastly superior to Pakistan in terms of living standards, science, education,security etc etc. Oil does not guarantee prosperity. The Saudis sell 10 times more oil than Iran and yet, Iran makes them look like Somalia when it comes to science. They're highly backward.

You're obviously either ignorant on these issues or rather butt hurt. Always remember, Persians were the first power on this planet and have been rarely, rarely not been a power. Oil is something relatively recent. Without it, Persians will still prosper. So you can blame your backwardness in science, education, economy, security etc to oil, but you're only fooling yourself.