Expert: J-10 more suitable for Argentina

[Agent Smith]

which "it"? JF-17?
thats to keep costs down.

i think carbon fiber is cheaper than the metals.

 

[Mughal-Prince]

i think carbon fiber is cheaper than the metals.

You are wrong buddy he is talking about Aerospace class reinforced composite CF not the one which is used to make water tanks . And that is even more expensive to maintain while using them if need replacement at some place.

 

[MastanKhan]

i think carbon fiber is cheaper than the metals.

Carbon fiber is very expensive

 

[Su-11]

BEIJING, February 11 (ChinaMil) – The "Chengdu FC-1 is a light fighter developed by the Chengdu Aircraft Industry Co., Ltd specifically for the market in the third world countries. Its advantages include a high performance-price ratio, with a unit price of only more than 30 million U.S. dollars," said Xu Yongling, China’s meritorious test pilot of J-10 and air force theory expert.

However, Xu Yongling also pointed out that the Chengdu FC-1 originated from J-7 after all, it is not a fourth-generation warplane in a strict sense, thus with relatively low operational effectiveness.

LMAO.. finally the elephant in the room is noticed!!!

 

[OTTOMAN]

Typhoon is one of the most capable jet in world. i think only F-22 is more superiour then it. in air supurity role JF-17 has no chance against typhoon.

What do you mean against?

If we have 1 JF-17 with 4 BVR, and 2 Typhoon with 6 BVR each........ approaching each other from distance of 200 km. JF-17 will have advantage to see, lock and shoot first, due to its smaller RCS and KLJ radar.
If you want to discuss a theater of war, its whole lot of different story.

 

[masud]

What do you mean against?

If we have 1 JF-17 with 4 BVR, and 2 Typhoon with 6 BVR each........ approaching each other from distance of 200 km. JF-17 will have advantage to see, lock and shoot first, due to its smaller RCS and KLJ radar.
If you want to discuss a theater of war, its whole lot of different story.

is it troll?

 

[OTTOMAN]

is it troll?

go collect the facts and post here, you have 3 parameters, to begin with:
1- RCS
2- BVR weapon
3- radar

 

[masud]

1 JF-17 with 4 BVR, and 2 Typhoon with 6 BVR each

 

[OTTOMAN]

obviously, it hurts in al the dark corners

 

[ruby007]

There are quite a few countries interested in JF-17. It isn't a bad aircraft for a country on budget. Exports are expected after PAF starts raising units of Block2 JF-17. Nothing is definite though.

Argentina is being blocked by UK in defense acquisitions. They are also not doing well economically. UK might persuade France to block any such sale. Chinese and Russian remain the only viable options then. JF-17 remain best bang for bucks in its category. It has virtually no competitor in this category at this price point. So lets see.

If so, they'd defiantly go for Su Series or J-10 not JF-17... Best bang for money doesn't provide capability. Argentina buying new jets are for not defending Argentina but to invade and keep Falkland. JF-17 can't do that job

 

[masud]

obviously, it hurts in al the dark corners

Typhoon is the best jet compare your so called 3 parameters.


whatever i don,t understand that you trying to say? whatever you trying to say " u win i lose ". because you are the most intelligent person in pdf. end of discussion.

 

[salman-1]

Chinese would always be willing to sell the one they can profit in full. PAF dropped J-10B not because its not capable. PAF making same capabilities in JF-17 BLK 2 as AC khalid said, why to go for 2 variants of the same category. Please read his previous interviews. Pakistan's are trying to sell Blk2 to Argentina for around 20-25$ miilion per piece for the same capabilities J-10B could have. Its a beast in its making no doubt. BLk would be an equivalent to BLK 40/42 F-16 .
Name the Weapon you want , it will have under its wings.
Thats the positive competing part Arg's have to consider. Cheap and fully capable

 

[Paksanity]

If so, they'd defiantly go for Su Series or J-10 not JF-17... Best bang for money doesn't provide capability. Argentina buying new jets are for not defending Argentina but to invade and keep Falkland. JF-17 can't do that job

If invading, capturing and defending Falkland is the purpose, neither SU-27/30, J-10 nor JF-17 is a suitable choice. They will be facing F-35s, Eurofighter and an array of force multipliers complemented by Royal Navy. You need T-50, J-31, MiG-35 along with force multipliers and strong navy for that. Then Argentina is in no economical position to start this war nor it will be anytime soon.

Then comes the billion dollar question; which aircraft Argentina can afford at the moment? Both J-10 and JF-17 give reasonable capability. J-10 is more capable but more expensive. So are they going to go for few J-10s or more JF-17s? Only time will tell.

 

[OTTOMAN]

Typhoon is the best jet compare your so called 3 parameters.


whatever i don,t understand that you trying to say? whatever you trying to say " u win i lose ". because you are the most intelligent person in pdf. end of discussion.

To be exact, PAF will never disclose any figure of RCS, neither does Typhoon, and both have different reasons for it!
However, we know from PAF mouth, that JF-17 have lowest RCS in its fleet.
Which is any way obvious from the size of JF-17, i.e., possible projection area of JF-17 is smaller than Typhoon.

Further it has DSI, which has engine blades covered, all radar signals from on coming a/c are deflected by DSI.
Typhoon have two engines, with NO possibility to hide its blades, and thereof scatter full radar signal.

We also know, that JF-17 wings blades and nose cone are covered/made of special alloy/paint, which does not scatter any signal back to radar. Any Pakistani member would confirm this.
Nose cone of Typhoon is bigger than JF-17 neither is of stealth design, hence that too scatter full radar signal.
We have no hints that Typhoon is using any special alloy/paint for its wings, hence it also scatter radar signal.

What is left to compare is canopy of both, which is again JF-17 has smaller than Typhoon.
Amount of radar energy scattered from tiny canopy as compare to all of Typhoon! How much intelligence is required there to make a judgment.
So again, to sum up, with all the above stated RCS advantage, JF-17 will always have lead time to prepare for the kill maneuver, fire and detach from the battle. Typhoon, will be left to battle with BVR, which is also the most smart in PAF inventory.

Now weather UK would sell BVR, along with its Typhoon, NO is the answer, which even kids knows.
We can conveniently conclude, Typhoon package from UK would be a sitting duck as compare to JF-17 package.

When it comes to dog, PAF have declared JF-17 more maneuverable than F-16, after intensive tests has been made.

This is my logical argument.... do you have anything to say? or just keep showing your loyalty to your Indian masters?

Now educate your self with radar:
KLJ-7 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[masud]

just keep showing your loyalty to your Indian masters?

what make you to think that? plz explain ...............