Zhuhai Air Show 2014 - Updates & Discussions

[cnleio]

The difference between me and u is i am not writing without thinking.Check the last 3 pages of debate and stop bashing lca with same old stupid claims.

And yes as far as engines are concerned 10 year would be a reasonable gap between india and china.Kaveri may not be perfect but it works,as a matter of fact its a variable cycle engine at that.

Okay, when will ur Kaveri jet engine install on a fighter and which domestic fighter ?

 

[he-man]

It can't even install on aircraft to power them, how can u claim Kaveri will work.

I am not here to spoon feed u.Go search yourself from open sources,,it cleared trials on il-76 but its heavy and lacks optimum wet thrust.
Plus we cannot mass produce the single crystal blades yet,,,u think we won't do it in next 10 years??
It will be done,don't worry

 

[he-man]

Okay, when will ur Kaveri jet engine install on a fighter and which domestic fighter ?

Not in near future,,may take at least 10 years.
Depends on funding.

 

[Kompromat]

Sorry, but following this interview the PAF will not purchase the FC-31 ! Sadly ....



Sadly I'm so far not allowed to post the link here :-(

Amir simply stated that there is PAF can't induct FC-31 'now'. Because its not ready. We will not see this jet in PAF roundels before 2020-2022.

 

[he-man]

Amir simply stated that there is PAF can't induct FC-31 'now'. Because its not ready. We will not see this jet in PAF roundels before 2020-2022.

Hmm..........who knows what he meant

 

[Kompromat]

Hmm..........who knows what he meant

FC-31 is the best option provided the engines issue is solved. We have to replace our F-16s regardless with new advance jets. F-35 is inconceivable for us due to the price factor.

 

[Genesis]

I am not here to spoon feed u.Go search yourself from open sources,,it cleared trials on il-76 but its heavy and lacks optimum wet thrust.
Plus we cannot mass produce the single crystal blades yet,,,u think we won't do it in next 10 years??
It will be done,don't worry

Let's assume what you are saying is true, which is debatable, but let's say it is true.

What fighter would use this engine. Rafale? Nope. Tejas? Nope. PAKFA? Nope. MKI? Nope. You have no other planes, AMCA? That's too far into the future and it's medium fighter, so even if it were true Kavari can't power it. I have also heard of a joint venture with Russia on a transport, but that one uses Russian engines, not Kavari.

There are no fighters that would use this engine, there is no incentive to finish this engine, and even if finished, who would use it.

As to IL-76, that's really not a good indication, all it shows is that somehow it won't fit into a fighter. Which I have never heard happen before.

I seen the specs for Kavari engine, it is like WS-13, in terms of performance, though the WS-13 can actually power fighters now, WS-13 is the weakest of the Chinese engine family.


So, no, the difference is defiantly not 10 years.

If you still like to debate, cool, but ask yourself, even if it was done today, what fighter would it even power.

 

[cnleio]

Not in near future,,may take at least 10 years.
Depends on funding.

Well i just know Indian can't produce single crystal blades yet ... that let's see how many years Indian domestic blades out. It's the heart of the heart inside jet engine.

As far as i knew, 2017~2018 PLAAF wll receive J-20 mass production version and domestic WS-15 also will out before 2020. Just when we talk here, J-10B had formally joint PLAAF ... J-15 started mass production. Although China jet engine develop slowly, but our fighter update fast.

This China 1st AESA 3-gen fighter will build 200+ as same as J-10A.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

The difference between me and u is i am not writing without thinking.Check the last 3 pages of debate and stop bashing lca with same old stupid claims.

And yes as far as engines are concerned 10 year would be a reasonable gap between india and china.Kaveri may not be perfect but it works,as a matter of fact its a variable cycle engine at that.

I have already explained to you in the other thread; WS-10 is not a copy of AL-31, it is actually based on the design of the PW F100, and the West sold an example of the F100 gas turbine to us during the honey moon era of the 1980s.

BTW, it will be a miracle for India to reach China's engine status of 2005 by 2025. This means that you need some serious hard work to narrow down the gap to less than 20 years.

 

[Beast]

I have already explained to you in the other thread; WS-10 is not a copy of AL-31, it is actually based on the design of the PW F100, and the West sold an example of the F100 gas turbine to us during the honey moon era of the 1980s.

BTW, it will be a miracle for India to reach China's engine status of 2005 by 2025. This means that you need some serious hard work to narrow down the gap to less than 20 years.

The illusion indian always trying to rub shoulder with the Chinese. Stop bragging when the engine is not even install on prototype to do the basic flying. Putting on IL-76, I doubt it even can work. Most likely the test bed IL-76 is by 3 other engines other than Kaveri.

That will make India a very distant from China in aeroengine.

 

[Kompromat]

Stick to topic guys.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

The illusion indian always trying to rub shoulder with the Chinese. Stop bragging when the engine is not even install on prototype to do the basic flying. Putting on IL-76, I doubt it even can work. Most likely the test bed IL-76 is by 3 other engines other than Kaveri.

That will make India a very distant from China in aeroengine.

The technological gap will only further increase as the WS-15 (China's F119 equivalent) is entering into the induction stage.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Stick to topic guys.

Sure, we will stop by now, and hopefully off-topic comments should be deleted at first, so we wouldn't reply it.

 

[rcrmj]

The difference between me and u is i am not writing without thinking.Check the last 3 pages of debate and stop bashing lca with same old stupid claims.

And yes as far as engines are concerned 10 year would be a reasonable gap between india and china.Kaveri may not be perfect but it works,as a matter of fact its a variable cycle engine at that.

primitive indians talking about write before think? lol, if you are saying China is 10 years behind U.S will make way more sense than India is 10 years after China````you primitive country is nothing in modern world,
you have no modern engine industry, you cant even make a Turboprop Engine for cow sake, your Kavri is no more than a rich school project

and you seem quite keen to talk about industrial level espionage when it comes to China's advancement on techs, well here are the facts
1:as that British guy has explained, the greater the power the worse they do
2:India is still at primitive development stage, you cant even make reliable small ammunition with your own
3:without direct foreign help, none of your 'indigenous' kits would be apparent as basically you dont have the technological know-how to make a modern rifle, tank, ship, plane, rocket, satellite etc.....

 

[cnleio]

Official data on 2014 ZhuHai Air Show: China "TaiHang" WS-10A jet engine