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Modi-Jinping chemistry to bring India UNSC prize


Prime Minister Narendra Modi and Chinese President Xi Jinping "bonded together" in their first meeting at the Fortaleza BRICS summit, say individuals cognizant of the thinking of the new Chinese administration. President Xi Jinping is also General Secretary of the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) and Chairperson of the Central Military Commission (CMC).

They say that the new leader recognises that "India is not just a South Asian but a global power", and that China "will soon" publicly join the other four permanent members of the UN Security Council (France, UK, US and Russia) in backing India for this exclusive club, most likely during Xi's forthcoming visit to New Delhi this year. All this forms part of what is termed the "India Initiative" of the new Chinese leadership.

When asked about the delay in backing India when the other four permanent members of the UNSC had already expressed support, a senior observer said that "the US, France and UK are just giving lip service to wanting India as a permanent Security Council member". He asked why, if the three NATO powers were serious about India joining, they did not "ensure a vote in the Security Council and later the General Assembly on the issue?" He added that President Xi sees India as an equal.

An associate claimed that "the US has privately indicated that it will never schedule a UNSC vote on Indian membership so long as it knows that its proposal to include Japan as a permanent member will be subject to veto, while France is not comfortable sharing its privileged position in the UN with Germany but is hesitant to schedule a vote for Delhi ahead of one for Berlin". His colleague added that "the US perception is that for India, words are enough to keep them happy, and that actions are not needed". He said that in the case of China, "our actions will match our words, which is why Beijing welcomes Modi as PM, as he is super practical and appreciates others who are".

According to observers with access to policymaking, it was "at the request of President Xi" that India became the first country to be visited by Chinese Prime Minister Li Kequian soon after taking charge last year, and to the "unprecedented" flurry of completed and planned high-level visits from Beijing (since Xi took charge of the CCP). "In the past, Vietnam or Thailand received many more visits by high Chinese officials than India", said a key aide involved in working out policy options for the CCP. According to an associate, it is clear to the new leadership in China that "participation by India is vital for the commercial and diplomatic success of key initiatives" such as the New Silk Road, the Maritime Silk Road and the Trans-Himalayan Alliance. He noted that "Prime Minister Modi takes decisions looking only at India's self-interest and not the commands of other countries" (meaning the US). These experts welcomed the 30 June 2014 agreement in Beijing to set up

"Will President Obama agree to schedule a vote this year on India becoming a permanent member of the UNSC? If so, China will not disappoint India", a source claimed, adding that "now it is for the US to match words with action".
 
Yeah not gonna happen, China wont let you. US would prop you just because they want to finger China. US wont let India take a seat let alone China. Who would want to give up their monopoly over power?
 
Yeah not gonna happen, China wont let you. US would prop you just because they want to finger China. US wont let India take a seat let alone China. Who would want to give up their monopoly over power?

It is not the case of giving up, as those 5 will have theirs ....Its about sharing!
 
An associate claimed that "the US has privately indicated that it will never schedule a UNSC vote on Indian membership so long as it knows that its proposal to include Japan as a permanent member will be subject to veto, while France is not comfortable sharing its privileged position in the UN with Germany but is hesitant to schedule a vote for Delhi ahead of one for Berlin". His colleague added that "the US perception is that for India, words are enough to keep them happy, and that actions are not needed". He said that in the case of China, "our actions will match our words, which is why Beijing welcomes Modi as PM, as he is super practical and appreciates others who are".

This is true enough.

India's biggest stumbling block is that the G4 want to enter the UNSC as one whole group.

Since of course, it would be impractical to push through such fundamental UNSC reforms for every single potential new member, it's going to be a one-off reform and expansion plan.

This will give everyone an excuse to delay and delay until kingdom come. The G4 needs to be more palatable to the current P5, otherwise the entire initiative is busted. China for one is definitely going to veto Japan's entry, we have stated as such already.

Germany is worthy of a seat, but that would give Europe 3 seats and let them dominate the council. Instead maybe they should have France's seat.
 
It is not the case of giving up, as those 5 will have theirs ....Its about sharing!

The 5 will lose their monopoly. China wouldnt want it and so would US. The US doesnt want a country to favour Russia in their votes on issues. Politics is a dirty game.
 
The 5 will lose their monopoly. China wouldnt want it and so would US. The US doesnt want a country to favour Russia in their votes on issues. Politics is a dirty game.

As per your logic, the Superpower is already loosing its monopoly because it shares UNSC with 4 others...
What happens when few others step in!
 
As per your logic, the Superpower is already loosing its monopoly because it shares UNSC with 4 others...
What happens when few others step in!

Yeah those superpowers dont want to dilute the pool. Before India, Japan has a place. They wont get in. You think China will let India? UNSC needs a revamp if you want to get in. India will side with Ruskies, you think China wants that? You think US wants it?
 
By the way, it's not Modi-Jinping.

Xi Jinping's last name is Xi, we write the last name first.

However I let you carry your own opinions as to how world should write your PM's name, but in the same vein you should know China is China, just a country and not the world itself, which may have other ideas to portray itself.

Many foreign journals write Chinese Premier's name as such.
Indians did the same!
No harm.
 
Yeah those superpowers dont want to dilute the pool. Before India, Japan has a place. They wont get in. You think China will let India? UNSC needs a revamp if you want to get in. India will side with Ruskies, you think China wants that? You think US wants it?

Not now, or maybe in next 5 yrs. But in last it has to change, if US and China doesnt want India, then it will create more hiccups in UNSC. And with time it will loose its authenticity, I can give you options, if not India then Germany or Brazil are too main contenders of this.

And in this case it too dilute its power of p5.
 
Yeah those superpowers dont want to dilute the pool. Before India, Japan has a place. They wont get in. You think China will let India? UNSC needs a revamp if you want to get in. India will side with Ruskies, you think China wants that? You think US wants it?

There is no single VETO, its five!
Its already diluted...
1 more would not harm that much..
 
However I let you carry your own opinions as to how world should write your PM's name, but in the same vein you should know China is China, just a country and not the world itself, which may have other ideas to portray itself.

Many foreign journals write Chinese Premier's name as such.
Indians did the same!
No harm.

Sure no harm, but I thought some might be interested to know that.

Not now, or maybe in next 5 yrs. But in last it has to change, if US and China doesnt want India, then it will create more hiccups in UNSC. And with time it will loose its authenticity, I can give you options, if not India then Germany or Brazil are too main contenders of this.

And in this case it too dilute its power of p5.

UNSC has already lost authenticity.

The US didn't ask the UNSC before Iraq, Russia didn't ask the UNSC before Crimea, and China didn't ask the UNSC before Scarborough shoal. None ask when it comes to perceived national security.
 

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