China's new 'carrier killer' for Pakistan's JF-17 Thunder fighter

[gslv mk3]

You are underestimating the creator/maker. The product is always in some sort of regular tests even after induction even with US Armed Forces.

Not everyone look towards US as their grand father, like hindustan, Or shall "I say so according to hindustanis and their fanboys, they've stolen a march over the americans in missile technology, you are even way behind Chinese, get your act together and think sane dissing, poking fun would lead you no where.

The sheer stupidity and some people's mentality at making fun is they forget that hindustan in 2012-2013 is working on a sub sonic cruise missile where as "inferior China and Pakistan" had them since 2006.

@KRAIT, mate you look fool thanking foolish posts.

lol,No one cheerleads for China with Such enthusiasm.And I have observed that you are a very enthusiastic Cheerleader.

You are also very good at making stories-We are ' way behind China? '
FYI we are not far behind,there are many fields like ABM,Quasi Ballistic Missiles we are at par or ahead of China.
And in case of BMs,SLBMs,Supersonic CMs and the like,there isnt much of lag.

Oh you are boasting about test firing of Babur back in 2005?
Sorry , do you know that Supersonic Brahmos was in Service from 2006?
Now dont say Brahmos is Russian,If Pakistan can consider Babur (which uses foreign turbofan) as Pakistani,Brahmos is Indian.

And did you forget that the Same country is on its way to test another longer range Indigenously developed Ramjet powered LRCM next year? Selective Amnesia?
Now where do you stand wrt that technology??No where?

And you forgot that India has its own Scramjet programs,while Co developing Hypersonic Brahmos 2 with Russia? Selective Amnesia again?

Arent you the same member who posted that ' gunship variant of some Chinese euro copter copy would be ' superior ' to Indian LCH....coz it would have gone through mid life upgrade,when LCH is inducted?

Stop being such a cheerleader.
please....

 

[Manindra]

This is how you attack a badly design India AC.. The India carrier is very limited by its design lol an island almost in the middle of the deck, what morron think that a good AC design. This will hamper(slow) the launch and recovery of the 24 mig 29... If Pakistan send say 24 jf 17 toward the India AC and is detected India will launch the migs to intercept. This will take time because of the limitation of the AC.. By the time the migs are launch and heading toward the 24 jf 17, the Pakistani should turn their fighter back home.. This is when the AC is vulnerable, the mig will chase the jf 17 or return to their AC because their fuel is running dry... About this time if Pakistan send in another group of jf 17 toward the India AC, they be without mig protection. The mig in the air need to land to refuel and because of the badly design of the AC it takes them too long to recover and put up a fully fuel mig to defend the carrier from the incoming jf 17..

Do you know mid-flight refueling ?
Do you know how many BVRAAM & WVRAAM a MIG-29K can carry ?
Do you know how many target MIG-29K can track & how many can engage?
10 MIG-29K can butchered 50 JF-17

 

[bloo]

This is how you attack a badly design India AC.. The India carrier is very limited by its design lol an island almost in the middle of the deck, what morron think that a good AC design. This will hamper(slow) the launch and recovery of the 24 mig 29... If Pakistan send say 24 jf 17 toward the India AC and is detected India will launch the migs to intercept. This will take time because of the limitation of the AC.. By the time the migs are launch and heading toward the 24 jf 17, the Pakistani should turn their fighter back home.. This is when the AC is vulnerable, the mig will chase the jf 17 or return to their AC because their fuel is running dry... About this time if Pakistan send in another group of jf 17 toward the India AC, they be without mig protection. The mig in the air need to land to refuel and because of the badly design of the AC it takes them too long to recover and put up a fully fuel mig to defend the carrier from the incoming jf 17..

And where did you pull those facts out of? Do give us a source?

The MiG-29K power plant consisted of two RD-33K by-pass engines with complex digital control system. The maximum thrust was increased to 5,500 kgf, the maximum afterburner thrust reached 8,800 kgf. Unlike the RD-33K turbojet mounted on the MiG-29M, the shipborne aircraft engines featured an emergency mode, during which a temporary (short time) thrust increase to 9,400 kgf was possible. Thanks to the emergency mode, an aircraft with the take off weight of 17,700 kg could take off from the first starting position (in this case the take off run was 105 m), and a 22,400-kg heavy plane could take off from the second starting position (in this case the take off run amounted to 195 m).

 

[trident2010]

All well is good but the question remains how many JF-17 will remain in air by the time they are in the range to fire? Answer --- None

 

[dilpakistani]

All well is good but the question remains how many JF-17 will remain in air by the time they are in the range to fire? Answer --- None

May be. Indian Airforce is not a joke. But if even one remained and took the shot. It would do the damage. Anyway counter weapons are mostly for deterrence purpose. They are not build to go to war but are build to deter it. CM-400 serves this purpose really well.

 

[ejaz007]

Do you know mid-flight refueling ?
Do you know how many BVRAAM & WVRAAM a MIG-29K can carry ?
Do you know how many target MIG-29K can track & how many can engage?
10 MIG-29K can butchered 50 JF-17

You under estimate the capabilities of JF-17. 10 Mig 29k shall not be able to shoot down 50 JF-17s rest assured.

By the time 10 Mig-29k's shall takeoff from carrier JF-17's shall be returning from their successful mission.

 

[kaykay]

You under estimate the capabilities of JF-17. 10 Mig 29k shall not be able to shoot down 50 JF-17s rest assured.

By the time 10 Mig-29k's shall takeoff from carrier JF-17's shall be returning from their successful mission.

Then You are underestimating Viki's EW capabilities. JF-17s can't even detect it on their own as it can blind them with directed energy some 400 KMs away. Your JF-17s can do something only when Viki will come close to your shore(within 200-300 KM which is unlikely) and your JF-17s have AWACS cover otherwise your JF-17s can't do nothing as they won't be even able to detect it let alone fire missiles on it.
PS: I am not even taking Mig-29Ks in the picture. And As I have stated many time, Viki won't be needed to strike your land as it can't do that very well(may be when we have 2-3 CBGs but not before that), rather for blockade purpose and it can do that very well.

 

[dilpakistani]

Then You are underestimating Viki's EW capabilities. JF-17s can't even detect it on their own as it can blind them with directed energy some 400 KMs away. Your JF-17s can do something only when Viki will come close to your shore(within 200-300 KM which is unlikely) and your JF-17s have AWACS cover otherwise your JF-17s can't do nothing as they won't be even able to detect it let alone fire missiles on it.
PS: I am not even taking Mig-29Ks in the picture. And As I have stated many time, Viki won't be needed to strike your land as it can't do that very well(may be when we have 2-3 CBGs but not before that), rather for blockade purpose and it can do that very well.

Correct. JF-17 can spare its efforts against ACs...It should be left on submarines with Nuclear tipped Babar or Torpedoes. Tactical nukes can reach with 2-300 km of AC.

 

[trident2010]

Tactical nukes can reach with 2-300 km of AC.

Wrong answer. We are discussing real world scenario not the hypothetical nuclear exchange.

 

[[Bregs]]

Do fighter aircraft have capability to launch a missile capable of destroying an air craft carrier of 44000 tonne capacity ? 100 missile will be required that too by anticipating that AAD of entire CBG including viki is turned off....lol

 

[kaykay]

Correct. JF-17 can spare its efforts against ACs...It should be left on submarines with Nuclear tipped Babar or Torpedoes. Tactical nukes can reach with 2-300 km of AC.

well submarines are real threat to any Aircraft Carrier but then again there are counter-measures especially Destroyers/Frigates or SSNs with towed sonars with very long range 360' submarine detection. I hope India to seal the deal with germany for the same in near future. Total 16 warships are to be equipped.

 

[ejaz007]

Then You are underestimating Viki's EW capabilities. JF-17s can't even detect it on their own as it can blind them with directed energy some 400 KMs away. Your JF-17s can do something only when Viki will come close to your shore(within 200-300 KM which is unlikely) and your JF-17s have AWACS cover otherwise your JF-17s can't do nothing as they won't be even able to detect it let alone fire missiles on it.
PS: I am not even taking Mig-29Ks in the picture. And As I have stated many time, Viki won't be needed to strike your land as it can't do that very well(may be when we have 2-3 CBGs but not before that), rather for blockade purpose and it can do that very well.

Now you have brought in another factor. First it was just Mig-29k against JF-17s.

What you have claimed will depend a lot on the fact that when JF-17s are detected approaching the aircraft carrier and with how much speed you are able to launch sufficient number of Mig-29k to challenge them. Then their comes the pilot skills, weapons being used and additional protection the attacking force shall be having.

Since you have mentioned Viki then I shall assume that Erieye and F-16 shall also be in the picture. This will only make your job a lot tougher.

Still if it is just Mig-29k and JF-17s even then it won't be a one sided affair.

 

[ejaz007]

Do fighter aircraft have capability to launch a missile capable of destroying an air craft carrier of 44000 tonne capacity ? 100 missile will be required that too by anticipating that AAD of entire CBG including viki is turned off....lol

Yes the fighters have the capability. Even a single or two missiles can do the job. It depends where the missile hits the ship. If it hits an area where ammunition is stored then secondary explosions due to ships own weapons would be contributing factor.

Then there shall be lots of fuel and other flammable material available that shall render the ship out of service even if not sink her.

 

[kaykay]

Now you have brought in another factor. First it was just Mig-29k against JF-17s.

What you have claimed will depend a lot on the fact that when JF-17s are detected approaching the aircraft carrier and with how much speed you are able to launch sufficient number of Mig-29k to challenge them. Then their comes the pilot skills, weapons being used and additional protection the attacking force shall be having.

Since you have mentioned Viki then I shall assume that Erieye and F-16 shall also be in the picture. This will only make your job a lot tougher.

Still if it is just Mig-29k and JF-17s even then it won't be a one sided affair.

Well Erieyes will be effective only when Viki will come near your shore (under 300-350 KM) else even they won't do much. But yeah I agree that a single Aircraft Carrier(CBG) won't be able to do much in case of land strike but still it will be able to create a second front and will weaken your position on first front i.e direct IAF vs PAF from land.
PS: though things will change once we have 2 CBGs in next 4 years and ultimately 3 in 10 Years. I am sure you can't ignore 80+ fighters with AEWs support on moving Aircraft Carriers.

 

[Manindra]

You under estimate the capabilities of JF-17. 10 Mig 29k shall not be able to shoot down 50 JF-17s rest assured.

By the time 10 Mig-29k's shall takeoff from carrier JF-17's shall be returning from their successful mission.

did

With current BVRAAM, WVRAAM, ECM suite , dog fight ability, advance sensors, low RCS of MIG-29K compare to JF-17 I didn't over estimate MIG-29K
Kindly counter with logical conclusion.