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India Is The World's Only Counter Weight To China

PakShah is sure a good comedy provider is he not? i mean really a man like Najim Sethi even sums it up and as for Parag Khana you did not read the rest of his analysis on wiki



and again for future reference

Latest Truth about superpower pakistan.flv - YouTube

LIES!

Here is Parag Khanna's original article!

By Parag Khanna

Financial Times | December 28, 2010

Imagine a world with a strong China reshaping Asia; India confidently extending its reach from Africa to Indonesia; Islam spreading its influence; a Europe replete with crises of legitimacy; sovereign city-states holding wealth and driving innovation; and private mercenary armies, religious radicals and humanitarian bodies playing by their own rules as they compete for hearts, minds and wallets.

It sounds familiar today. But it was just as true slightly less than a millennium ago at the height of the Middle Ages.

In recent years it has become conventional wisdom that the post-cold-war world will see rising powers such as China and Brazil create what international relations experts call a “multi-polar” order. Yet for the next 10 or 20 years, it is not at all clear that the future many imagine will come to pass – namely that the relative US decline will continue, Europe will muddle along, China and India will grow ever stronger, and other straight-line projections.

In fact, the world we are moving into in 2011 is one not just with many more prominent nations, but one with numerous centres of power in other ways. It is, in short, a neo-medieval world. The 21st century will resemble nothing more than the 12th century.

You have to go back a thousand years to find a time when the world was genuinely western and eastern at the same time. Then, China’s Song dynasty presided over the world’s largest cities, mastered gunpowder and printed paper money. At around the same time India’s Chola empire ruled the seas to Indonesia, and the Abbasid caliphate dominated from Africa to Persia. Byzantium swayed and lulled in weakness both due to and despite its vastness. Only in Europe is this medieval landscape viewed negatively.

This was a truly multi-polar world. Both ends of Eurasia and the powers in between called their own shots, just as in our own time China, India and the Arab/Islamic community increasingly do as well. There is another reason why the metaphor is apt. In medieval times, the Crusades, and the Silk Road, linked Eurasia in the first global trading system – just as the globalised routes of trade are doing today.

The merchant houses of Bruges and Venice financed transcontinental ventures to discover sources of spices and other riches. Marco Polo reached the court of Kublai Khan in China, but only after admiring the vineyards of Kashgar and being awestruck by the material abundance of Xi’an. Arab pilgrim Ibn Battuta made an even greater parallel voyage from Morocco to the Far East, visiting the thriving civilisations of southern India and Sumatra along the way.

Now, globalisation is again doing much the same, diffusing power away from the west in particular, but also from states and towards cities, companies, religious groups, humanitarian non-governmental organisations and super-empowered individuals, from terrorists to philanthropists. This force of entropy will not be reversed for decades – if not for centuries. As was the case a millennium ago, diplomacy now takes place among anyone who is someone; its prerequisite is not sovereignty but authority.

Some see contrary trends in the light of the financial crisis. But given the power of the forces pushing a new medievalism, it is too simple to speak of a “return of the state” evident in the bail-out of Wall Street and the stimulus packages of governments. Far more revealing about the future is the crumbling of most of the post-colonial world from Africa to the Middle East to South Asia, where over-population, corrupt governance, ethnic grievances and collapsing infrastructure are pushing many states towards failure.

From Congo and Sudan to Pakistan, many “states” are likely to see a move towards a hybrid public-private system of governance. Take Afghanistan, where a postmodern arrangement between international extractive companies, the Kabul government, local warlords and foreign peacekeepers seems as likely an outcome as any – a neo-medieval model also being used in Africa and elsewhere too.

In the economic sphere, most states, rich or poor, western or eastern, have become filters, trying to manage inflows and outflows of goods, money and people that globalisation has imposed on them. In medieval times, one’s welfare depended on family status, guild membership and property holdings. Cities were stratified according to socio-economic caste. Loyalty was not to the “state” as such, but to whoever delivered the goods.

Today, the world’s population turns ever more to companies to provide essential services, whether security or healthcare. Even in rising India, much “public” welfare is provided by industrialists such as the Tatas and Ambanis, whose family businesses also run entire factory cities. They are increasingly the equivalent of the House of Medici, the family that came to dominate Florence from the 14th century. The Islamic world today is replete with such political philanthropy, with the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt and Hizbollah in Lebanon functioning as political parties but also as social institutions supplying healthcare and schools.

Of course, no analogy is perfect. But the medieval parallel is at least a warning against over-simplified references to the neat 19th century “Concert of Europe”, the balance of power between European states that followed the Napoleonic wars. This system saw a modus vivendi between a handful of nation states. But our new world is far more complex.

The only missing piece, of course, is America. The Middle Ages was pre-Atlantic. Yet today we have the legacy superpower of the US, located in the new world. If the European Union today plays the part of the Holy Roman Empire, then the US is the new Byzantium, facing both east and west while in a state of relative decline. The Byzantines lasted for many centuries beyond their material capability, through shrewd diplomacy and deception rather than by force.

This new world will mean huge challenges, for the west in particular. But if the US applies a genuinely Byzantine strategy, it has a good chance of stopping a slide into conflict. And remember that, despite its bleak reputation, the Middle Ages was actually an era of great invention and discovery – and one which eventually gave way to a great Renaissance too. As we witness today’s great power grievances mount and fear another world of war, we must remember the same is possible today.

The writer is a senior research fellow at the New America Foundation and author of the forthcoming How to Run the World: Charting a Course to the Next Renaissance (Random House, 2011).

Parag Khanna

Guess you should have read the original article first?
No where does it say India will become a "global power."
 
India should show respect and deference to China as her " BIG BROTHER " as CHINA is more resourceful Country.

Man, you can respect china as Madar, father, brother, sister or whatever. Please keep your advise to yourself . We are not interested:azn:

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LIES!

Here is Parag Khanna's original article!

By Parag Khanna

Financial Times | December 28, 2010

Imagine a world with a strong China reshaping Asia; India confidently extending its reach from Africa to Indonesia; Islam spreading its influence; a Europe replete with crises of legitimacy; sovereign city-states holding wealth and driving innovation; and private mercenary armies, religious radicals and humanitarian bodies playing by their own rules as they compete for hearts, minds and wallets.

It sounds familiar today. But it was just as true slightly less than a millennium ago at the height of the Middle Ages.

In recent years it has become conventional wisdom that the post-cold-war world will see rising powers such as China and Brazil create what international relations experts call a “multi-polar” order. Yet for the next 10 or 20 years, it is not at all clear that the future many imagine will come to pass – namely that the relative US decline will continue, Europe will muddle along, China and India will grow ever stronger, and other straight-line projections.

In fact, the world we are moving into in 2011 is one not just with many more prominent nations, but one with numerous centres of power in other ways. It is, in short, a neo-medieval world. The 21st century will resemble nothing more than the 12th century.

You have to go back a thousand years to find a time when the world was genuinely western and eastern at the same time. Then, China’s Song dynasty presided over the world’s largest cities, mastered gunpowder and printed paper money. At around the same time India’s Chola empire ruled the seas to Indonesia, and the Abbasid caliphate dominated from Africa to Persia. Byzantium swayed and lulled in weakness both due to and despite its vastness. Only in Europe is this medieval landscape viewed negatively.

This was a truly multi-polar world. Both ends of Eurasia and the powers in between called their own shots, just as in our own time China, India and the Arab/Islamic community increasingly do as well. There is another reason why the metaphor is apt. In medieval times, the Crusades, and the Silk Road, linked Eurasia in the first global trading system – just as the globalised routes of trade are doing today.

The merchant houses of Bruges and Venice financed transcontinental ventures to discover sources of spices and other riches. Marco Polo reached the court of Kublai Khan in China, but only after admiring the vineyards of Kashgar and being awestruck by the material abundance of Xi’an. Arab pilgrim Ibn Battuta made an even greater parallel voyage from Morocco to the Far East, visiting the thriving civilisations of southern India and Sumatra along the way.

Now, globalisation is again doing much the same, diffusing power away from the west in particular, but also from states and towards cities, companies, religious groups, humanitarian non-governmental organisations and super-empowered individuals, from terrorists to philanthropists. This force of entropy will not be reversed for decades – if not for centuries. As was the case a millennium ago, diplomacy now takes place among anyone who is someone; its prerequisite is not sovereignty but authority.

Some see contrary trends in the light of the financial crisis. But given the power of the forces pushing a new medievalism, it is too simple to speak of a “return of the state” evident in the bail-out of Wall Street and the stimulus packages of governments. Far more revealing about the future is the crumbling of most of the post-colonial world from Africa to the Middle East to South Asia, where over-population, corrupt governance, ethnic grievances and collapsing infrastructure are pushing many states towards failure.

From Congo and Sudan to Pakistan, many “states” are likely to see a move towards a hybrid public-private system of governance. Take Afghanistan, where a postmodern arrangement between international extractive companies, the Kabul government, local warlords and foreign peacekeepers seems as likely an outcome as any – a neo-medieval model also being used in Africa and elsewhere too.

In the economic sphere, most states, rich or poor, western or eastern, have become filters, trying to manage inflows and outflows of goods, money and people that globalisation has imposed on them. In medieval times, one’s welfare depended on family status, guild membership and property holdings. Cities were stratified according to socio-economic caste. Loyalty was not to the “state” as such, but to whoever delivered the goods.

Today, the world’s population turns ever more to companies to provide essential services, whether security or healthcare. Even in rising India, much “public” welfare is provided by industrialists such as the Tatas and Ambanis, whose family businesses also run entire factory cities. They are increasingly the equivalent of the House of Medici, the family that came to dominate Florence from the 14th century. The Islamic world today is replete with such political philanthropy, with the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt and Hizbollah in Lebanon functioning as political parties but also as social institutions supplying healthcare and schools.

Of course, no analogy is perfect. But the medieval parallel is at least a warning against over-simplified references to the neat 19th century “Concert of Europe”, the balance of power between European states that followed the Napoleonic wars. This system saw a modus vivendi between a handful of nation states. But our new world is far more complex.

The only missing piece, of course, is America. The Middle Ages was pre-Atlantic. Yet today we have the legacy superpower of the US, located in the new world. If the European Union today plays the part of the Holy Roman Empire, then the US is the new Byzantium, facing both east and west while in a state of relative decline. The Byzantines lasted for many centuries beyond their material capability, through shrewd diplomacy and deception rather than by force.

This new world will mean huge challenges, for the west in particular. But if the US applies a genuinely Byzantine strategy, it has a good chance of stopping a slide into conflict. And remember that, despite its bleak reputation, the Middle Ages was actually an era of great invention and discovery – and one which eventually gave way to a great Renaissance too. As we witness today’s great power grievances mount and fear another world of war, we must remember the same is possible today.

The writer is a senior research fellow at the New America Foundation and author of the forthcoming How to Run the World: Charting a Course to the Next Renaissance (Random House, 2011).

Parag Khanna

Guess you should have read the original article first?
No where does it say India will become a "global power."

Why he is lies? Why pagar khanna true?? Just because he suits yours argument better
 
We should have a neutral person read through the entire thread, and I explained my position on posts #89 and #91.

CONCLUSION:

Pakistan and India is in the same league as they are both REGIONAL POWERS. India is not a GREAT POWER or a SUPER POWER.

An example of a SUPER POWER IS AMERICA.
An example of a GREAT POWER IS CHINA.
 
Man, you can respect china as Madar, father, brother, sister or whatever. Please keep your advise to yourself . We are not interested:azn:

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Why he is lies? Why pagar khanna true?? Just because he suits yours argument better

enjoy a laugh or two at his expense i am rather enjoying his claims that apparently "we" are in the same league besides a thread that was originally about India and China has now turned into a Pakistan India comparison thread because of his derailing post bringing Pakistan into the thread
 
Man, you can respect china as Madar, father, brother, sister or whatever. Please keep your advise to yourself . We are not interested:azn:

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Why he is lies? Why pagar khanna true?? Just because he suits yours argument better

lol wikipedia took his article out of context!
read your wikipedia excerpt and Parag Khanna's original ariticle I posted!
NO WHERE DOES PARAG KHANNA CALL INDIA A GLOBAL POWER OR A POTENTIAL GLOBAL POWER!
 
We should have a neutral person read through the entire thread, and I explained my position on posts #89 and #91.

CONCLUSION:

Pakistan and India is in the same league as they are both REGIONAL POWERS. India is not a GREAT POWER or a SUPER POWER.

An example of a SUPER POWER IS AMERICA.
An example of a GREAT POWER IS CHINA.

yes yes yes child of course a failed state can be a regional power as well according to your claims potential superpower and a country considered to be a failed state are in the same league your absolutely right.

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lol wikipedia took his article out of context!
read your wikipedia excerpt and Parag Khanna's original ariticle I posted!
NO WHERE DOES PARAG KHANNA CALL INDIA A GLOBAL POWER OR A POTENTIAL GLOBAL POWER!

that is the opinion of one person yet many other people say the complete opposite

world sees India as rising global and regional super power - YouTube
 
PakShah is sure a good comedy provider is he not? i mean really a man like Najim Sethi even sums it up and as for Parag Khana you did not read the rest of his analysis on wiki



and again for future reference

Latest Truth about superpower pakistan.flv - YouTube

lol, Iran is considered to be a failed state, despite the fact it is considered to be an upper-middle income economy.

Iran: Upper-middle-income economy[4], High human development, Islamic Republic, OPEC and GECF founding member, ECO member, Group of 15 member, Developing 8 Countries

Next Eleven - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
enjoy a laugh or two at his expense i am rather enjoying his claims that apparently "we" are in the same league besides a thread that was originally about India and China has now turned into a Pakistan India comparison thread because of his derailing post bringing Pakistan into the thread

He is Just a wanna be. trying his best to put pakistan in same league of India. Lemmi play a little. :smitten:

We should have a neutral person read through the entire thread, and I explained my position on posts #89 and #91.

CONCLUSION:

Pakistan and India is in the same league as they are both REGIONAL POWERS. India is not a GREAT POWER or a SUPER POWER.

An example of a SUPER POWER IS AMERICA.
An example of a GREAT POWER IS CHINA.

But still, World say Pakistan a failed state and international Migrane, and India a global player :azn:
 
Pakistan is in the news all over the world ...true...but for all the wrong reasons.

That doesn't make it a regional power - for that you need both economic and military muscle coupled with a strong foreign policy.

Currently Pakistan may have only military might , but that ain't enough. Economically , the less said , the better.

And regarding foreign policy , well Pakistani politicians / Military chiefs have racked up enough air miles to DC to put any regular air traveller to shame.

@ Topic : China is the current regional power in Asia ,and India being the other ... but we still have a long way to go ..
 
lol, Iran is considered to be a failed state, despite the fact it is considered to be an upper-middle income economy.

Iran: Upper-middle-income economy[4], High human development, Islamic Republic, OPEC and GECF founding member, ECO member, Group of 15 member, Developing 8 Countries

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Next_Eleven]Next Eleven - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/B]

The Next Eleven (or N-11) are eleven countries—Bangladesh, Egypt, Indonesia, Iran, Mexico, Nigeria, Pakistan, Philippines, South Korea, Turkey, and Vietnam—identified by Goldman Sachs investment bank as having a high potential of becoming, along with the BRICS (Brazil. Russia India China South Africa), the world's largest economies in the 21st century. The bank chose these states, all with promising outlooks for investment and future growth, on December 12, 2005.

read bolded. You can be in league of BRICS. Potential BRICS member. We are in BRICS. We are also known as Potential Super power. by world not by ourself. When world call you Failed state.
 
We should have a neutral person read through the entire thread, and I explained my position on posts #89 and #91.

CONCLUSION:

Pakistan and India is in the same league as they are both REGIONAL POWERS. India is not a GREAT POWER or a SUPER POWER.

An example of a SUPER POWER IS AMERICA.
An example of a GREAT POWER IS CHINA.

please don't put pakistan and india in the same league , pakistan is a failed state with zero credibility while india is seen as rising power with a robust economy and talented work force.
 
lol wikipedia took his article out of context!
read your wikipedia excerpt and Parag Khanna's original ariticle I posted!
NO WHERE DOES PARAG KHANNA CALL INDIA A GLOBAL POWER OR A POTENTIAL GLOBAL POWER!

So according to you Parag khanna will decide who is global power :lol:
 
:rofl::lol: Why such importance.Nobody need to put anyone against Pakistan. They still can do whatever they want in Pakistan. Be it military operations, Drone attacks, fighter jet attcks, Chopper killing soldier, intelligance, Forcing pakistan to take back agents like raymond davis. What more do you want?

Do west need anything to put for pak?
and i wish the US keeps on doing that
 
please don't put pakistan and india in the same league , pakistan is a failed state with zero credibility while india is seen as rising power with a robust economy and talented work force.

lol, you guys bring up the most ludicrous arguments. Just because you guys can post more often than me doesn't make you right. I already debunked your arguments.

The Failed States Index is a flawed way of measuring a nations's strength. Pakistan is still on the map. Pakistan is still a Regional Power on par with India.

I already made my position on posts #89, 91, 93, 95, 97 and 104.

Besides this, like I said western nations want to prop up India as a counterweight against China, because they don't want China to succeed. Since India has territorial disputes with China, India is the perfect candidate.

Also in order to keep China from reaching the Arabian gulf and Iran, India is also there to bother Pakistan as well.

Chinese members left because they knew its not worth fighting you guys, because you guys won't accept the fact about Pakistan, and India being in the same league.
 
Also in order to keep China from reaching the Arabian gulf and Iran, India is also there to bother Pakistan as well.

Chinese members left because they knew its not worth fighting you guys, because you guys won't accept the fact about Pakistan, and India being in the same league.

Relax brother, there is no point explaining it to them. They will never accept it. :)
 

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