Bilal Khan (Quwa)
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Argentina is like Pakistan.
I have nothing else to say.
I have nothing else to say.
Jf17 and Mig 35 remain the only options being evaluated for increasing interest: Argentine air force
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Every day I come across nations weaker than Pakistan displaying so much superiority and racism towards Paksitanis.
JF17 is in their interest and their budget. But I'm sure their bias lies with the Russians.
But die to CAATSA they might just buy from Pakistan.
JF17 is in their interest and their budget. But I'm sure their bias lies with the Russians.
But die to CAATSA they might just buy from Pakistan.
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That's because we Pakistanis aren't playing up to our level.
There are no shortage of peak-IK-type personalities across business, engineering, medicine, media, etc. But their talents and efforts are benefitting the US, UK, and UAE, not Pakistan.
Why?
Because we have shameless and inept folks ruling us. It's as simple as that.
The rulers might be a reflection of the people, but the first thing other folks see are the rulers.
Give us Pakistanis a chance, and we'll do alright.
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I also wouldn't look at the comments and make wide assumptions about all Argentinian people. Their air force has already been briefed about the Thunder and I am sure they are aware of the configuration options available.
I think it will be nice new market for Pakistan, even if they buy a few token jets at a time like the Nigerians.
I think it will be nice new market for Pakistan, even if they buy a few token jets at a time like the Nigerians.
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I read the comments on the Argentinian page halfway (with google translate) and they are not disgusting. If they have concerns about British parts in a jet, I wouldn't call that they are suffering from superiority complex.
People are showing their genuine opinion and concerns. Afterall they are buying jets from their money to defend their country, not to pat ours or Chinese egos. I found most of comments reasonable like these ones:
"Between one plane and another there is no point of comparison. If we had money there would be no need to think about it. Let's hope that the Russians will know how to seduce and hook us economically so that we can accept their proposal, and if not, the jf17 has to be the latest version with probe, AESA, weapons included and in larger quantities 16/18".
"The jf17 is closer to Argentina's possibility as a more economical maintenance alternative fighter plane, within the objectives that had already been set in the FAA. Of course it is not western and that would give a little food for thought".
"The ideal Mig 35 and some SU30 for the South Atlantic. Although the Chinese product is still tempting, I would lean towards the Russian plane that is more than proven (mig29). On the other hand, you have to see financing and local integration, which is very important. Both Russia and China are going to give us facilities, each for a different reason, but convenient for our country for sure".
"There is a problem that has to do with the geopolitical question. A group of fighters is considered necessary to monitor the Argentine sea and to demonstrate power against the English, forcing them to negotiate. Now, it is known that no weapon system with English spare parts can be marketed with our country, leaving the only options to the Russians and the Chinese. And the problem with the Chinese is that in case of having problems with the poaching and illegal fishing they commit in Argentine jurisdictional waters, make any problem with their planes as well as the supply of arms is canceled. The only option is Russia, unless the negotiation with China allows the depredation of the Argentine sea.
Could someone give me an idea on this?"
People are showing their genuine opinion and concerns. Afterall they are buying jets from their money to defend their country, not to pat ours or Chinese egos. I found most of comments reasonable like these ones:
"Between one plane and another there is no point of comparison. If we had money there would be no need to think about it. Let's hope that the Russians will know how to seduce and hook us economically so that we can accept their proposal, and if not, the jf17 has to be the latest version with probe, AESA, weapons included and in larger quantities 16/18".
"The jf17 is closer to Argentina's possibility as a more economical maintenance alternative fighter plane, within the objectives that had already been set in the FAA. Of course it is not western and that would give a little food for thought".
"The ideal Mig 35 and some SU30 for the South Atlantic. Although the Chinese product is still tempting, I would lean towards the Russian plane that is more than proven (mig29). On the other hand, you have to see financing and local integration, which is very important. Both Russia and China are going to give us facilities, each for a different reason, but convenient for our country for sure".
"There is a problem that has to do with the geopolitical question. A group of fighters is considered necessary to monitor the Argentine sea and to demonstrate power against the English, forcing them to negotiate. Now, it is known that no weapon system with English spare parts can be marketed with our country, leaving the only options to the Russians and the Chinese. And the problem with the Chinese is that in case of having problems with the poaching and illegal fishing they commit in Argentine jurisdictional waters, make any problem with their planes as well as the supply of arms is canceled. The only option is Russia, unless the negotiation with China allows the depredation of the Argentine sea.
Could someone give me an idea on this?"
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The problem that most people dont consider is the relationship between the UK and Pakistan right now, and how the sale of the JF17 will feed into the dynamics of that relationship, which seems to be getting worse over time.
Recently the UK placed some economic financial sanctions on Pakistan that were most certainly politically based.
How will the UK react to Pakistan, if Pakistan sells the JF17 to Argentina? Will the UK react by cancelling 302 million pounds ( $400million/year ) of foreign aid. Can Pakistan afford to lose this amount of foreign exchange to its kitty every year in return for a one off sale of JF17s?
You can argue that the aid does not go to the right people, so it is useless, but is still adding to the foreign exchange inflows of hard currency for free.
Hopefully Pakistan/PAF/PAC have thought this through?
Recently the UK placed some economic financial sanctions on Pakistan that were most certainly politically based.
How will the UK react to Pakistan, if Pakistan sells the JF17 to Argentina? Will the UK react by cancelling 302 million pounds ( $400million/year ) of foreign aid. Can Pakistan afford to lose this amount of foreign exchange to its kitty every year in return for a one off sale of JF17s?
You can argue that the aid does not go to the right people, so it is useless, but is still adding to the foreign exchange inflows of hard currency for free.
Hopefully Pakistan/PAF/PAC have thought this through?
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There is also this off an Argentinan website.
The Russian BVR missiles being offered are at best equal to the Aim-120C7 (105-120 km) while the PL-12/SD-10 (70-100 km range) and the PL-15 export variant is probably in the league of the Aim-120D (160 km). Considering the Argentinians will be facing RAF Eurofighters with Meteors, they should consider their options carefully.
On the issue of BVR missiles, if the PAF starts working with the Chinese on a Ramjet variant of the PL-15; calling it the PL-21, it would also boost export prospects when compared to other exporters with aircraft carrying the Meteor, such as the Gripen.
By now, any component in the JF-17, up to an including the engine could be made 100% in China and Pakistan if the Argentinians are afraid of western components.
If CAC/PAC restricts sales to Argentina of only the PL-12/SD-10 and not the PL-15 it could claim it is only selling a defensive fighter. Therefore not endangering Pak-UK relations. China is probably not to keen to sell its best A2A missile and is probably only making an exception for Pakistan considering their mutual need to contain India.
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The Russian BVR missiles being offered are at best equal to the Aim-120C7 (105-120 km) while the PL-12/SD-10 (70-100 km range) and the PL-15 export variant is probably in the league of the Aim-120D (160 km). Considering the Argentinians will be facing RAF Eurofighters with Meteors, they should consider their options carefully.
On the issue of BVR missiles, if the PAF starts working with the Chinese on a Ramjet variant of the PL-15; calling it the PL-21, it would also boost export prospects when compared to other exporters with aircraft carrying the Meteor, such as the Gripen.
By now, any component in the JF-17, up to an including the engine could be made 100% in China and Pakistan if the Argentinians are afraid of western components.
If CAC/PAC restricts sales to Argentina of only the PL-12/SD-10 and not the PL-15 it could claim it is only selling a defensive fighter. Therefore not endangering Pak-UK relations. China is probably not to keen to sell its best A2A missile and is probably only making an exception for Pakistan considering their mutual need to contain India.
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Why would Pakistan sign deal which upset UK, here Our peace'fools think we can not afford to send back French ambassador despite blatant terrorism against Islam on State level, How would they upset UK with whom we have much deeper ties?
I think Argentina must try to build its own with secret help from where ever they could get.
I think Argentina must try to build its own with secret help from where ever they could get.
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No reason to be worried about what UK will think. Arms sales are pretty standard stuff and it is not like JF-17 would pose a danger to the Brits. We should march ahead with the sale and sell to as many countries as possible, no ifs or buts about it. After all, didnt the US sell them F-16s after the Falklands war? Pakistan ought to grow some balls and do what it should irrespective of what it thinks might happen. No wonder this kind of thinking is what is making Pakistan a joke in the world while smaller nations have stronger standings and resolve. If you want to be in the fighter export business, learn to take a punch as well. Cant win if you dont fight.
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Hmmm. Very interesting
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The Argentinans may therefore be the first export customer of the WS-13. China is probably only going to offer the SD-10 to Argentina, which should be enough to placate any concerns the Brits have.
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We can take their Mirage 3 of them for spares etc
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