Zakir Naik slaps Rs 500-cr defamation case against Arnab Goswami

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Good Move By Zakir It's About Time Someone Shuts Up This Comedian

Infact mullahs need to be shuts up than comedians.

 

[M. Sarmad]

Their is no sect such as Wahabism or Salafism. It's a call or movement of following Quran and Sunnah and the first convert to Islam used to do same thing and all Sahaba did same. So I am a Salafi and what I do is read and study Quran and Sunnah and follow it. I don't follow Muhammad bin Abdul Wahab I follow Quran and Sunnah and consensus of Sahaba. It was being done from day one.

Again, almost all other sects claim the same thing, that they follow Quran and Sunnah, and the consensus of Sahaba (In case of Sunnis), yet Wahhabis and Wahhabi inspired terrorists are killing those other followers of Quran and Sunnah as they believe that the others are not following the Quran and Sunnah properly. Who will decide that who follows Quran and Sunnah properly and who does not ? ... What, according to you, makes Wahhabis any different (or better) from the others ? What's their moral or religious superiority over others ?? (Except that the others are not killing people for disagreeing with their interpretation of Islam, and they don't have trillions of dollars at their disposal)

 

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How could a preacher accumulate wealth when there are hell lot of people suffering in need of wealth ?
How can his conscience allow him to deposit money in his account when he knows there are better ways to spend the wealth in good will and name of Allah?

@Azlan Haider Zarvan has toned down a lot and that's what scares me. The one who blow himself up is one time danger.

@ Zakir Naik He should slap defamation case on BDesh for banning him along with many other countries. Banning too cause defame, right?

 

[Zarvan]

Again, almost all other sects claim the same thing, that they follow Quran and Sunnah, and the consensus of Sahaba (In case of Sunnis), yet Wahhabis and Wahhabi inspired terrorists are killing those other followers of Quran and Sunnah as they believe that the others are not following the Quran and Sunnah properly. Who will decide that who follows Quran and Sunnah properly and who does not ? ... What, according to you, makes Wahhabis any different (or better) from the others ? What's their moral or religious superiority over others ?? (Except that the others are not killing people for disagreeing with their interpretation of Islam, and they don't have trillions of dollars at their disposal)

I was a Sufi before turning Salafi and I have researched my self and questioned also scholars of Sufism.Most fail to defend what they say and do from Quran and Sunnah. They hardly have proof to back their actions from Quran and Sunnah. @-xXx- Their is no problem in having wealth if your source of income is Halal and you are paying your Zakat after that a person is free to live a life which he desires but can't spend on Haram obviously. As for this case this is mainly to make Arnab accept his mistake and apologize. Even Zakir Naik knows he won't get the money.

 

[shhh]

Again, almost all other sects claim the same thing, that they follow Quran and Sunnah, and the consensus of Sahaba (In case of Sunnis), yet Wahhabis and Wahhabi inspired terrorists are killing those other followers of Quran and Sunnah as they believe that the others are not following the Quran and Sunnah properly. Who will decide that who follows Quran and Sunnah properly and who does not ? ... What, according to you, makes Wahhabis any different (or better) from the others ? What's their moral or religious superiority over others ?? (Except that the others are not killing people for disagreeing with their interpretation of Islam, and they don't have trillions of dollars at their disposal)

There is no Wahabi sect buddy. Thats something made up by US/West.
Think about it, if Obama is claiming that Saudia is spreading wahabism, then you already know its western propaganda.
You know who were training brainwashing terrorists in Pakistan? "A Monkey from our neighbor terrorist countries".
You need to "study" the sect to understand it. Instead of learning it by actions of individual people.
That is what the common westerners did, thinking that the brainwashed people who claim to be muslims performing terrorist acts are the followers of Islam, just because they claim to be muslims.
And if you will actually go about studying wahabism, you will find that there is simply no book about it.
Ever been to Madina?

 

[M. Sarmad]

I was a Sufi before turning Salafi and I have researched my self and questioned also scholars of Sufism.Most fail to defend what they say and do from Quran and Sunnah. They hardly have proof to back their actions from Quran and Sunnah.

I know that... Once you told us that you were a secular person who loved to dance (before your brain got infected by the extremism virus). Of course you are free to choose your religion/sect. It's a matter of choice. Your research may very well be flawed. But that wasn't the question/point of discussion. You have yet to prove that Wahhabis are superior to other Muslims and that only Wahhabis are the true followers of Islam. And that, unlike other sects, Wahhabism is actually not a "sect" of Islam.

There is no Wahabi sect buddy. Thats something made up by US/West.
Think about it, if Obama is claiming that Saudia is spreading wahabism, then you already know its western propaganda.
?

The Americans and the Ale Saud are allies ... The British supported The House of Saud against the Ottomans. By your own line of reasoning, this alone should be enough to reject Ale Saud and their version of Islam ... right ?

 

[Zarvan]

There is no Wahabi sect buddy. Thats something made up by US/West.
Think about it, if Obama is claiming that Saudia is spreading wahabism, then you already know its western propaganda.
You know who were training brainwashing terrorists in Pakistan? "A Monkey from our neighbor terrorist countries".
You need to "study" the sect to understand it. Instead of learning it by actions of individual people.
That is what the common westerners did, thinking that the brainwashed people who claim to be muslims performing terrorist acts are the followers of Islam, just because they claim to be muslims.
And if you will actually go about studying wahabism, you will find that there is simply no book about it.
Ever been to Madina?

Exactly but I have debated with him for months and months two years back. He doesn't have anything substainail only follows lies of west and some new ignorants in Islam. Salafism is no sect only a movement which asks people to follow Quran and Sunnah and reject biddat

 

[shhh]

Exactly but I have debated with him for months and months two years back. He doesn't have anything substainail only follows lies of west and some new ignorants in Islam. Salafism is no sect only a movement which asks people to follow Quran and Sunnah and reject biddat

There are only three kinds that do this.

1. Libtards.
2. Ayatullas.
3. Ayatullas pretending to be libtards.

 

[M. Sarmad]

There are only three kinds that do this.

1. Libtards.
2. Ayatullas.
3. Ayatullas pretending to be libtards.

So anyone who believes that Wahhabism is a sect of Islam is either a Shia or a libtard (whatever that is) ?? Great logic .. May I ask you your age and educational background ? ....

 

[shhh]

So anyone who believes that Wahhabism is a sect of Islam is either a Shia or a libtard (whatever that is) ?? Great logic .. May I ask you your age and educational background ? ....

There is a difference between a Shia and Anti Sauds.
Just like there is a difference between a Pro Bhutto idiots and logical Pakistanis.
Anti Sauds are not willing to hear anything other than what they believe just like indians screw any form of logic, common sense or facts when arguing about Pakistan (or anything for that matter).
A libtard is a western media brainwashed self claimed liberal, spewing all sort of stupid statements and believe that BS just because western media said it.
Libtard = liberal retards.

My age or educational background has nothing to do with the topic at hand.
The onus is on you to prove that wahabism is a sect. Western media BS does not count.
You did not answer my question.
Ever been to Madina?

 

[M. Sarmad]

There is a difference between a Shia and Anti Sauds.
Just like there is a difference between a Pro Bhutto idiots and logical Pakistanis.

So you are saying that anyone who is Pro Bhutto is an idiot who cannot be a logical Pakistani ? Do you realize that you are insulting an entire generation of Pakistanis who elected Bhutto as their PM ?

Are you an Arain from Bhawalpur living in the US ? You remind me of someone ... If you are, then I know who I am talking to and that trying to debate/discuss anything is pointless.

A libtard is a western media brainwashed self claimed liberal, spewing all sort of stupid statements and believe that BS just because western media said it.
Libtard = liberal retards.

No, I don't accept anything just because it was reported in Western Media. And similarly I don't reject anything just because it was reported in the Western Media. What does that make me ?

The onus is on you to prove that wahabism is a sect.

No, it's not. Read the previous posts

Ever been to Madina?

Yes.

You didn't answer this: The Americans and the Ale Saud are allies ... The British supported The House of Saud against the Ottomans. By your own line of reasoning, this alone should be enough to reject Ale Saud and their version of Islam ... right ?

 

[shhh]

So you are saying that anyone who is Pro Bhutto is an idiot who cannot be a logical Pakistani ? Do you realize that you are insulting an entire generation of Pakistanis who elected Bhutto as their PM ?

I am saying that anyone who supports Zardari/Bilawal because "Bhutto zinda hai" is an idiot.

Are you an Arain from Bhawalpur living in the US ? You remind me of someone ... If you are, then I know who I am talking to and that trying to debate/discuss anything is pointless.

What?

No, I don't accept anything just because it was reported in Western Media. And similarly I don't reject anything just because it was reported in the Western Media. What does that make me ?

All the BS that Sauds are spreading extremism/wahabism is western BS.

No, it's not. Read the previous posts

What posts?

Yes.

And you didn't meet the peaceful lovable people there?

You didn't answer this: The Americans and the Ale Saud are allies ... The British supported The House of Saud against the Ottomans. By your own line of reasoning, this alone should be enough to reject Ale Saud and their version of Islam ... right ?

That doesn't really hold much value. You know what Anti-Pakistan people say about Jinnah? SAME THING.
That British agent carved out Pakistan from India to break Muslim strength. No I dont say it, anti-Pakistan idiots say it.
Pakistan and US are also allies. And we worked to break india apart, which used to be a Muslim stronghold.
I wouldn't debate about why Ale Sauds rebelled against the Ottomans. Better to not comment about something that you dont know specially at the risk of starting flame wars.
Ale Saud have not released any version of Islam, you think all the people living in Saudia are Ale Saud? or the Imams and teachers in Haram Shareef are Ale Saud? I gave no such reasoning.

 

[PAKIFALCON]

Stop fighting like children's & grow up. Their is no such thing as Sects in Islam.

1. MUSLIMS SHOULD BE UNITED

It is a fact that Muslims today, are divided amongst themselves. The tragedy is that such divisions are not endorsed by Islam at all. Islam believes in fostering unity amongst its followers. The Glorious Quran says : And hold fast, all together, by the rope which ALLAH (stretches out for you), and be not divided among yourselves. [Al-Qur’an 3:103]. Which is the rope of ALLAH ( SWT ) that is being referred to in this verse ? It is the Glorious Quran. The Glorious Quran is the rope of ALLAH ( SWT ) which all Muslims should hold fast together. There is double emphasis in this verse. Besides saying ‘hold fast all together’ it also says, ‘be not divided’. Quran further says : Obey ALLAH, and obey the Messenger [Al-Qur’an 4:59]. All the Muslim should follow the Quran and authentic hadith and be not divided among themselves.

2. IT IS PROHIBITED TO MAKE SECTS AND DIVISIONS IN ISLAM

The Glorious Quran says : As for those who divide their religion and break up into sects, thou hast no part in them in the least. Their affair is with ALLAH. He will in the end tell them the truth of all that they did. [Al-Qur’an 6:159]. In this verse ALLAH (SWT) says that one should disassociate oneself from those who divide their religion and break it up into sects. But when one asks a Muslim who are you ? the common answer is either I am a Sunni or I am Shia. Some call themselves Hanafi or Shafi or Maliki or Hambali. Some say I am a Deobandi while some others say I am a Barelvi.

3. OUR PROPHET WAS A MUSLIM

One may ask such Muslims Who was our beloved Prophet ( PBUH ) ? Was he a Hanafi or a Shafi or a Humbali or a Maliki ? No! He was a Muslim like all the other Prophets and Messengers of ALLAH ( SWT ) before him. It is mentioned in chapter 3 Verse 52 of the Quran that Jesus ( PBUH ) was a Muslim. Further in chapter 3 Verse 67 of the Quran says that Ibrahim ( PBUH ) was not a Jew or a Christian but was a Muslim.

4. QURAN SAYS CALL YOURSELVES MUSLIM

If anyone poses a Muslim the question who are you ? He should say I am a MUSLIM not a Hanafi or a Shafi. Surah Fussilat chapter 41 Verse 33 of the Quran says : Who is better in speech than one who calls (men) to ALLAH, works righteousness, and says I am of those Who bow in Islam (Muslim). The Quran says : Say I am of those who bow in Islam. In other words say I am a Muslim. The Prophet ( PBUH ) dictated letters to non-Muslim kings and rulers inviting them to accept Islam. In these letters he mentioned the verse of the Quran from Surah Ali Imran chapter 3 verse 64 : Say ye : Bear witness that we (at least) are Muslims (bowing to Allah’s Will).

6. RESPECT ALL THE GREAT SCHOLARS OF ISLAM

We must respect all the great scholars of Islam including the four Imams. Imam Abu Hanifa, Imam Shafi, Imam Humbal and Imam Malik ( May ALLAH ( SWT ) be pleased with them all ). They were great scholars and may ALLAH ( SWT ) reward them for their research and hard work. One can have no objection if someone agrees with the views and research of Imam Abu Hanifa or Imam Shafi etc. But when posed a question who are you ? The reply should only be I am a Muslim. Some may argue by quoting the hadith of our beloved Prophet from Sunan Abu Dawood Hadith No. 4579. In this hadith the Prophet ( PBUH ) is reported to have said : My community will be split up into seventy-three sects. This hadith reports that the Prophet ( PBUH ) predicted the emergence of seventy-three sects. He did not say that Muslims should be active in dividing themselves into sects. The Glorious Quran commands us not to create sects. Those who follow the teachings of the Quran and Sahih Hadith and do not create sects are the people who are on the true path. According to Tirmidhi Hadith No. 171 the Prophet ( PBUH ) is reported to have said : My Umma will be fragmented into seventy-three sects and all of them will be in Hell fire except one sect. The companions asked ALLAH’s messenger which group that would be. Where upon he replied It is the one to which I and my companions belong. The Glorious Quran mentions in several verses : Obey Allah and obey His Messenger. A true Muslim should only follow the Glorious Quran and the Sahih Hadith. He can agree with the views of any scholar as long as they conform to the teachings of the Quran and Sahih Hadith. If such views go against the word of ALLAH, or the Sunnah of His Prophet, then they carry no weight, regardless of how learned the scholar might be.

7. ALL FOUR IMAM SAID FOLLOW THE QURAN AND SUNNAH.

All the four great Imams said that if any of their Fatwas or teachings contradict ALLAH's word i.e. the Quran, or the sayings of the Prophet ( PBUH ) i.e. authentic Hadith, then that particulars fatwa of theirs should be rejected, and the Sunnah of the Prophet should be followed.

Refer:

A. EEQAADH AL-HIMAM, AL FULAANEE (IMAM ABU HANIFA)
B. AL-MAJMOO’ OF AN-NAWAWEE (1/63) (IMAM SHAFI)
C. JAAMI ‘BAYAN AL-ILM, IBN ABDUL-BARR (IMAM MALIK)
D. EEQAADH AL-HIMAM (IMAM HANBAL)

To give you an example in this context – Imam Shafi said that when a women touches a man who is in a state of wudhu, the wudhu of the man breaks. However, this ruling of Imam Shafi contradicts the authentic saying of the Prophet.

Narrated Aisha : The Prophet ( PBUH ) kissed one of his wives and went out for saying prayer. He did not perform ablution. ( Sunan Abu Dawood Vol. 1 Chapter No. 70 Hadith No. 179 )

Thus this particular teaching of Imam Shafi contradicts the authentic saying of the Prophet. So I reject this specific ruling of Imam Shafi who himself said : If I say something then compare it to the Book of ALLAH and the Sunnah of His Messenger ( PBUH ) and if it agrees to them then accept it and that which goes against them then reject it and throw my saying against the wall. This is a saying of ash-Shafi’ee-rahimaullah. See Al-Majmoo’ of an-Nawawee (1/63).

Thus by rejecting this particular teaching of Imam Shafi which contradicts the authentic Hadith I am practically a better follower of Imam Shafi than those who call themselves Shafi. Similarly in practice I claim to be a better follower of Imam Abu Hanifa than those who call themselves Hanafi. I claim to be a better follower of Imam Hanbal than those who call themselves Hanbali. I claim to be a better follower of Imam Malik than those who call themselves Maliki. If being a Ahle-Hadith means following Quran and authentic Hadith then I claim to be a better follower of the Quran and authentic Hadith than those who call themselves Ahle-Hadith. All these are mere labels ( Hanafi, Shafi, Hanbali, Maliki, Ahle-Hadith ) that are not endorsed by the Quran or the Sahih Hadith. The only label or title given by the Quran and the Sahih Ahadith is MUSLIM.

8. ALL THE GROUPS HAVE SUB DIVISIONS

I personally have no objection if someone calls himself Hanafi, Shafi, Hanbali, Maliki or Ahle Hadith. People give different labels to themselves to identify which set of teachings they prefer to follow and to disassociate themselves from those people who follow wrong practices. From history we come to know that all the labels given to different groups at a later stage the people from that group themselves did not follow their teachings and made new sub-groups. Therefore, in all the groups you find a sub-division. But as far as giving a label to identify what a person practices in Islam is concerned, there cannot be better label than what ALLAH ( SWT ) has given i.e. a Muslim.

HOPE ABOVE IS AS CLEAR AS A DAY.

PEACE