Z-20 Utility Helicopter News & Discussions

[LKJ86]

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[LKJ86]

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[S10]

I think China's army aviation units need to conduct more low flying and night time drills. If you look at the war between Ukraine and Russia, most choppers are flying under 50 meters to avoid being targeted by SAM. Flying low also reduces MANPADS operator's reaction time and firing time window. Having a slow moving helicopter flying several hundred meter high in the air is quite dangerous in modern warfare.

 

[ozranger]

I think China's army aviation units need to conduct more low flying and night time drills. If you look at the war between Ukraine and Russia, most choppers are flying under 50 meters to avoid being targeted by SAM. Flying low also reduces MANPADS operator's reaction time and firing time window. Having a slow moving helicopter flying several hundred meter high in the air is quite dangerous in modern warfare.

While they do reportedly practise that way and keep mounting better protective sensors and armour to helicopters, their recent focus is on using missiles with range over 25km to attack remote targets with UAV flying higher altitudes to provide target seeking. They have a different doctrine compared to the Russians.

 

[aziqbal]

I think China's army aviation units need to conduct more low flying and night time drills. If you look at the war between Ukraine and Russia, most choppers are flying under 50 meters to avoid being targeted by SAM. Flying low also reduces MANPADS operator's reaction time and firing time window. Having a slow moving helicopter flying several hundred meter high in the air is quite dangerous in modern warfare.

The reason why Russians fly so low is because when they go higher they lose resolution on the ground due to lack of advanced optics and sensors

China should invest heavily in suppression of enemy defenses rather than learning to fly low

 

[casual]

While they do reportedly practise that way and keep mounting better protective sensors and armour to helicopters, their recent focus is on using missiles with range over 25km to attack remote targets with UAV flying higher altitudes to provide target seeking. They have a different doctrine compared to the Russians.

he's talking about the Z20 not Z10. Z20 needs to drop off troops and supplies.

 

[Polestar 2]

I think China's army aviation units need to conduct more low flying and night time drills. If you look at the war between Ukraine and Russia, most choppers are flying under 50 meters to avoid being targeted by SAM. Flying low also reduces MANPADS operator's reaction time and firing time window. Having a slow moving helicopter flying several hundred meter high in the air is quite dangerous in modern warfare.

Low flying helo is even more dangerous in war situation. You are easily in the range of small arms like 0.5 cannon or heavy machine gun. Flying higher means those small arm are ineffective to take out those helo.

 

[ozranger]

he's talking about the Z20 not Z10. Z20 needs to drop off troops and supplies.

Russian's biggest problem is that they don't clear the fields before transporting infantries into the drop-off area. The PLA seems to adopt a different doctrine that they won't even risk their attack helicopters and just let UAVs take the most dangerous jobs.

When on this different doctrine, the Ukraine experiences don't quite apply.

 

[lcloo]

Idealy, Z19/UAV should do a scouting round in the operation area to assess danger level on a day or a few hours before Z20 flew, and Z20 are to be escorted by Z10/Z19 or long endurance recon/attack drone. All these assets are available within a combined brigade itself.

 

[LKJ86]

 

[S10]

Low flying helo is even more dangerous in war situation. You are easily in the range of small arms like 0.5 cannon or heavy machine gun. Flying higher means those small arm are ineffective to take out those helo.

Flying low reduces the reaction time window of engagement for MANPADS and small arms fire. Having a target high in the air is much easier to detect and engage. It's difficult to hit a chopper flying near tree top height.

The reason why Russians fly so low is because when they go higher they lose resolution on the ground due to lack of advanced optics and sensors

China should invest heavily in suppression of enemy defenses rather than learning to fly low

You can suppress radar guided SAMs, but you certain you can pick off every guy standing under a tree or a bush with a MANPAD that does not give off warnings?

 

[LKJ86]

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[LKJ86]

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[leviathan]

how many Z20 are there?

 

[LKJ86]

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