Z-10 ME/P deliveries to begin from 2023

[Beast]

Z-10ME = To the RSA Riovaak or Italys Mangusta (spellcheck) and inferior to the AH64.

Italy mangusta is a light attack helo. T-129K is the same class as it.

Riovaak is just an south African project with zero export as nobody is interested. More or less phase out.

Z-10ME is not in any way Inferior to AH-64 but just different class of attack gunship. First of all Z-10 has newer design belongs to the 2000 while apache design rooted to the 80s.

If you notice Z-10 has more sleek design and much stealthy ( less RCS ) compare to AH-64.

The lesser profile will helps in reduced RCS and less exposed to enemies gun fire when in a front attack direction.

Z-10 also has a more quiet engine noise proven by PA who handle this helo during the evaluation phase as it helps in night ops intruding into enemy position with certain of element of surprise.

 

[fatman17]

Italy mangusta is a light attack helo. T-129K is the same class as it.

Riovaak is just an south African project with zero export as nobody is interested. More or less phase out.

Z-10ME is not in any way Inferior to AH-64 but just different class of attack gunship. First of all Z-10 has newer design belongs to the 2000 while apache design rooted to the 80s.

If you notice Z-10 has more sleek design and much stealthy ( less RCS ) compare to AH-64.

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The lesser profile will helps in reduced RCS and less exposed to enemies gun fire when in a front attack direction.

Z-10 also has a more quiet engine noise proven by PA who handle this helo during the evaluation phase as it helps in night ops intruding into enemy position with certain of element of surprise.

Very good explanation but then why was the T129 1st choice if the Z10 is equal or better than even the AH64.

 

[renhai]

why was the T129 1st choice

Because T-129 is a light helicopter. maybe... Pakistan wants to buy a light helicopter at the beginning.

In short, sometimes it is difficult for us to understand Pakistan.

 

[arslank03]

Very good explanation but then why was the T129 1st choice if the Z10 is equal or better than even the AH64.

because the z-10 in its original form was a very, very poor helicopter

 

[Bilal.]

Interesting thing about the LOCAAS -
There was another program called the LOCPOD using existing components - even better and could theoretically shut down an airfield for hours

Can you please share a link for reading up on it?

My search is showing some medicine of the same name.

 

[SQ8]

Can you please share a link for reading up on it?

My search is showing some medicine of the same name.

This is all that shows up for it - you going to have to scrounge through some old mags for it.

https://www.f-16.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=13767&p=171759&hilit=Locpod#p171759

 

[LeGenD]

Because T-129 is a light helicopter. maybe... Pakistan wants to buy a light helicopter at the beginning.

In short, sometimes it is difficult for us to understand Pakistan.

FYI

First, it acquired the AH-1Z Viper as its “heavyweight” attack helicopter. Second, it followed up with a bid for a secondary, “lightweight” platform, i.e., the T129 ATAK. In total, the PAA had 12 AH-1Zs and 30 T129s on order. However, these may have been initial tranches of a larger program.

While the PAA sought two different platforms, it did set baseline requirements for both. Basically, the PAA wanted both helicopter types to be hot-and-high capable. In other words, the PAA intended to deploy the AH-1Z and T129 in all of its main operational requirements.

The capability differences between the two had more to do with their respective roles.

For example, a Bell Textron representative told Quwa that the PAA heavily favoured the AH-1Z for its sand filtration system, which was “best in class.” In other words, the PAA was interested in using the AH-1Z for anti-armour operations, especially in its desert environments.

On the other hand, the T129 was tested for its high-altitude, hot-temperature, and endurance capabilities. However, the design was fully capable of anti-armour operations in its own right. Like the AH-1Z, the T129 could also deploy anti-tank guided missiles (ATGM).

Based on these details, the PAA wanted to deploy the AH-1Z as its mainstay attack asset. The T129, on the other hand, would be a supporting attack asset, but the primary armed reconnaissance system. In certain environments, the T129 would be the primary attack asset.

New Photos of Chinese Z-10ME Show Additional Improvements - Quwa

New photos emerged through Weibo of the Z-10ME attack helicopter, an improved variant of the Changhe Aircraft Industries Corporation (CAIC) Z-10.

quwa.org

Both AH-1Z and T129 satisfy PAA requirements for operations in harsh environments. AH-1Z even more so.

 

[Beast]

Both AH-1Z and T129 satisfy PAA requirements for operations in harsh environments. AH-1Z even more so.

T129 with its lighter weight plus better engine of cos fair better than Z-10 during the initial evaluation testing. But its lighter armor are able withstand heavy guns attack? From what I see is PA sacrifice protection at expense of performance.

TAI/AgustaWestland T129 ATAK - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Changhe Z-10 - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[GriffinsRule]

FYI

First, it acquired the AH-1Z Viper as its “heavyweight” attack helicopter. Second, it followed up with a bid for a secondary, “lightweight” platform, i.e., the T129 ATAK. In total, the PAA had 12 AH-1Zs and 30 T129s on order. However, these may have been initial tranches of a larger program.

While the PAA sought two different platforms, it did set baseline requirements for both. Basically, the PAA wanted both helicopter types to be hot-and-high capable. In other words, the PAA intended to deploy the AH-1Z and T129 in all of its main operational requirements.

The capability differences between the two had more to do with their respective roles.

For example, a Bell Textron representative told Quwa that the PAA heavily favoured the AH-1Z for its sand filtration system, which was “best in class.” In other words, the PAA was interested in using the AH-1Z for anti-armour operations, especially in its desert environments.

On the other hand, the T129 was tested for its high-altitude, hot-temperature, and endurance capabilities. However, the design was fully capable of anti-armour operations in its own right. Like the AH-1Z, the T129 could also deploy anti-tank guided missiles (ATGM).

Based on these details, the PAA wanted to deploy the AH-1Z as its mainstay attack asset. The T129, on the other hand, would be a supporting attack asset, but the primary armed reconnaissance system. In certain environments, the T129 would be the primary attack asset.

New Photos of Chinese Z-10ME Show Additional Improvements - Quwa

New photos emerged through Weibo of the Z-10ME attack helicopter, an improved variant of the Changhe Aircraft Industries Corporation (CAIC) Z-10.

quwa.org

Both AH-1Z and T129 satisfy PAA requirements for operations in harsh environments. AH-1Z even more so.

I do hope we are able to get the AH-1Zs down the road, even if just to balance against the hellfire armed Apaches in IA/IAF service.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Chinese have turned this Z-10 Machine into something special and it keeps getting better

 

[Princeps Senatus]

I do hope we are able to get the AH-1Zs down the road, even if just to balance against the hellfire armed Apaches in IA/IAF service.

Z-10ME is more like Apache than AH-1Z. Sure, it lacks the engine power but it has the sensors.

 

[GriffinsRule]

Z-10ME is more like Apache than AH-1Z. Sure, it lacks the engine power but it has the sensors.

The quality of which is still undetermined.

 

[LeGenD]

T129 with its lighter weight plus better engine of cos fair better than Z-10 during the initial evaluation testing. But its lighter armor are able withstand heavy guns attack? From what I see is PA sacrifice protection at expense of performance.

TAI/AgustaWestland T129 ATAK - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Changhe Z-10 - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

What is your view of T129 protection level? How you rank it in terms of protection?

 

[Beast]

What is your view of T129 protection level? How you rank it in terms of protection?

Much of it's armor info I think is relevant to Agusta gunship.

 

[ghazi52]

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