Your democracy is killing you and how China suppressed Covid-19

[Meengla]

Stuff "free will". Load of nonsense that leads to everyone attention seeking and virtue signalling. All that's needed is a truly benevolent and selfless dictatorship. Democracy causes stagnation and slows down every effort to sort a crisis out because some whinging Mary somewhere starts a needless debate over something that ties down resources and reaches no actionable or worthwhile or beneficial conclusion, however does succeed in triggering a second whinging Mary into repeating the cycle.

I'm not implying China is perfect in this regard but it's a darn sight better in a time of crisis than the rest of us sitting around debating.

Lot of merit in your statement.

A success of the Chinese model is that never before in human history so many hundreds of millions were pulled out of abject poverty in such a short time. Ask them what they'd prefer: Mucking around in mud in 'freedom' or have most of the basics of life covered?

As for this 'freedom' to speak--look at what the so-called 'largest democracy in the world' India has been doing recently especially during the Delhi pogroms against Muslims. In any even semi-democracy such things would not have happened where instruments of the State were actively colluding with rioters and still got away!

To me, it seems more and more the path should be to educate people very quickly, increase their living standards first and then go on to the Gorbachev style Glasnost and Perestroika!

 

[maithil]

@beijingwalker

A moot point even if true because by this time China was shut down and respiratory and ventilators needed by the world could not be made - the world was pretty helpless. So yes, greed got us in this mess-but never again. We must all make sure critical supplies have multiple failover redundancy once this mess is over.

In January, they were still.busy arresting people who were talking about this Virus. CCP knew about this and did everything in its power to suppress the news. Hell, they were even "advising " countries to continue operating flights to China.

All major countries must look at cost/benefit of integrating China in Supply chain of life saving drugs/instruments once this all is over.

 

[BL33D]

People here still tend to lump hundreds of different governing systems into just two, they are wearing blinders and getting brainwashed for so long, China's system is neither western democracy nor Soviet dictatorship, China's governing system is always here and has been around for 2 thousand years , it's a top down governance method based on Chinese traditional family and centralization values, that's why China, as the same size of Europe, can always manage to maintain a relatively united nation throughout the history, China's governance system is basically her own, only borrowed some part of western elements.
There was an exception though, Mao and his army prevailed in the civil war in China and became the first leadr of PRC, he had unrivaled power cause he was the founder of this republic, but he was just an anormaly in this governance system, he didn't become a chosen leader through China's draconian merit based selection system which all leaders after him have to go through,Mao was an an anomaly, not a representation of this governing system, but the foreigners all tend to regard him as the standard for China's management system, that's very wrong, all leaders after him were chosen by China's standard merit based selection system from bottom up, and they all served their job very well, this is the norm, Mao's time was an exception, not a norm.

Didnt Xi just made himself President for life ? How is that not abuse of power. Xi has enormous powers, as close as one could get to Mao's. He has been consolidating power since the past few years. Btw, just one person voted against his election. Like really ? Is that the level of differences in opinion. Everyone aligned 100% ideologically ? And even with that level of power on China, he feels the need to ban Winnie the Pooh and censors anything and everything. You might not see the dystopia that China's future holds if you continue with this current trajectory. The same authoritarian and absolute power you praise during this pandemic, will bite you when you would want to differ with the government in future. Just my opinion.

 

[313ghazi]

I want to specifically address the Muslims reading this (although the point is relevant to everyone).

Today there is widespread conversation in the west about how democracy is endangering lives. The political system has been hijacked to serve the wealthy elite ahead of national interest. Its varies from country to country - but I write this as a citizen of the 5th richest country of the world. In the UK we don't have masks for our front line medical staff, testing for Corona is limited, steps taken to counter it are politically guaged, panic buying is causing food shortages and the price of painkillers has gone up 4 fold (wholesalers are profiteering).

On the other hand we have Communism, which was very effective in controlling the problem, but seems to have issues with holding the people at the top accountable.

We must embrace our God given system of governance. The Prophet Muhammad pbuh gave us a system which was based on unchangeable divine law. It was based on the interest of mankind over tribes or nation States, it put power in the hands of leaders, yet placed them accountable to the common man. A common man questioned Umar (ra) about the wealth with which he bought a second garment. A common man (a jew) took Ali (ra) to court and won a case against him (even though he was wrong and later admitted it).

We must resurrect that in a form suitable for today.

 

[beijingwalker]

In January, they were still.busy arresting people who were talking about this Virus.

BS, Who was arrested?

Didnt Xi just made himself President for life ? .

His term is until 2023, president for life is a total western propaganda.

Didnt Xi just made himself President for life ? How is that not abuse of power. Xi has enormous powers, as close as one could get to Mao's. He has been consolidating power since the past few years. Btw, just one person voted against his election. Like really ? Is that the level of differences in opinion. Everyone aligned 100% ideologically ? And even with that level of power on China, he feels the need to ban Winnie the Pooh and censors anything and everything. You might not see the dystopia that China's future holds if you continue with this current trajectory. The same authoritarian and absolute power you praise during this pandemic, will bite you when you would want to differ with the government in future. Just my opinion.

Indian democray is a farce, Nehru family ruled India for generations, and probably will come back in the future, it can never happen in China, we choose our leaders based on productivity and past job performance, western elections are more like popularity contest, that's why they always got leaders like Bush, Trump..

 

[Diggy]

A normal person would have been ashamed but again , we are talking about the Chinese here. Atleast save your chest thumping until the origins of coronavirus are certain .

And then they cry here when their people face racist attacks in Europe and else where. Their govt’s and their own disgusting behaviour here kind of justifies these attacks, I don’t think they deserve any better. Few days back their state media ran an article with a provocative title saying “How Italy must learn from China” , there are 100s of people dying in Italy everyday from a disease that originated from their country and spread because of their mismanagement, yet they have the audacity to write up such pieces against a country which doesn’t even come close to being an enemy state, behaving like a typical commie regime, start intimidating everyone when they get nervous. This virus has exposed their national character.

 

[American Pakistani]

Democracy is better than the communist rule. In communism there is no free will look at Chinese posters that have been silenced criticizing the Communist party's response to Corvid 19. I can make speeches against Justin Trudeau in Canada and Imran Khan in Pakistan and police will not arrest me nor my family. What about in Communist China can you criticize the Communist party or President Xi ?

Don't know about Canada but in Pakistan the country is a complete mess because whatever govt comes in power, many of its minister are corrupt and others are busy pulling that govts legs. This way everyone waste their energy on useless leg pulling campaigns instead of developing the country.

Look at China how they pulled 900 million out of poverty in mere 2.5 decades. Match that. Even Bangladesh is successfully following China but under the fake cover of democracy.

While pakistan stays poverty stricken country because people have more time discussing whose religion or firqa is better or how to destabilize govt. Nobody is doing their job. A nation of 220 million importing most of basic need stuff.

 

[Chhatrapati]

And then they cry here when their people face racist attacks in Europe and else where.

When there was a Swine flu outbreak in Mexico, China rounded up all the Mexicans in their country and mass deported them to Mexico. Fuk CCP, they deserve zero Sympathy.

 

[Diggy]

Don't know about Canada but in Pakistan the country is a complete mess because whatever govt comes in power, many of its minister are corrupt and others are busy pulling that govts legs. This way everyone waste their energy on useless leg pulling campaigns instead of developing the country.

Look at China how they pulled 900 million out of poverty in mere 2.5 decades. Match that. Even Bangladesh is successfully following China but under the fake cover of democracy.

While pakistan stays poverty stricken country because people have more time discussing whose religion or firqa is better or how to destabilize govt. Nobody is doing their job. A nation of 220 million importing most of basic need stuff.

You forget in these 70 years many times you were under military rule. There is no scope for destabilise , how much poverty was reduced by your military dictators?

 

[beijingwalker]

When there was a Swine flu outbreak in Mexico, China rounded up all the Mexicans in their country and mass deported them to Mexico. Fuk CCP, they deserve zero Sympathy.

Who said we need sympathy, only weak countries like India needs sympathy.

 

[Chhatrapati]

Who said we need sympathy, only weak countries like India needs sympathy.

Here comes China stronk.

 

[beijingwalker]

Here comes China stronk.

Not very much, but indeed many times stronger than India.

 

[BL33D]

BS, Who was arrested?


His term is until 2023, president for life is a total western propaganda.


Indian democray is a farce, Nehru family ruled India for generations, and probably will come back in the future, it can never happen in China, we choose our leaders based on productivity and past job performance, western elections are more like popularity contest, that's why they always got leaders like Bush, Trump..

You didnt address any of my concerns. You are on a tangent here. Can you provide some link for that 2023 date. Hadnt heard of it.

 

[beijingwalker]

You didnt address any of my concerns. You are on a tangent here. Can you provide some link for that 2023 date. Hadnt heard of it.

What is your concern? you should concern more about India.

 

[Chhatrapati]

Not very much, but indeed many times stronger than India.

Good luck you're gonna need it when you face the flak.