Young alleged Boluchis asking for azadi from Pakistan

[Abi]

and what about iranian kurdestan and iranian balochisan, if they want to separate will your mullah government let them separate and live alone, NOOOOOOO!!!!

then why you ask us? because you think we are weak??

What has Iran got to do with this? I asked an innocent question. Like i said, i don't want to see a smaller and weaker Pakistan.

But now that you bring it up, Kurds and Baluch are Iranic people.

 

[Abi]

Your feelings aside, they really don't. Many Balochis would testify for it on this forum.

Most rural Baloch are oppressed by feudal lords. So according to the season when Feudal lords are in favor of Pakistan (that is when the federal budget reserves a special bribe budget for them), everything is rosy. When they stop getting their bribe, they make such noises.

I see. It was sort of similar with Iran's Kurdistan. Right after the revolution, when the rich Kurdish criminals and smugglers saw that they weren't getting any power, they tried to start a separatist movement, which was brutally crushed in a matter of months.

 

[Ahmad]

i have seen and have quite a few balouch friends, they all have a negative idea of pakistan, they dont hesitate to speak about separation.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Its true that there is territorial dispute between india and pakistan over kashmir. And while incase of Baluchistan there mayn't be any international dispute with a foreign country,but Baluchi themselves think that punjabi dominated pakistan has wrongfully annexed their land with pakistan and colonized it.Just hear the opinions of these men and women comparing Baluchistan with kashmir in the 3rd and 4th videos and sloganeering Azadi for Baluchistan from pakistan in the same tone some kashmiri do aganist india .

Indian Punjabis thought the same. No doubt many in the Indian Eastern States might be thinking the same, judging by the level of violence in both cases, and the existence of Khalistani organizations even today.

But as in Indian Punjab, Baluchistan is an internal Pakistani issue. The locals have certain legitimate grievances, and those have to be addressed, and the GoP is trying to address them. The NFC accord is a step in this direction as is the Baluchistan package (even more funds). But at the end of the day the issue boils down to local Baluch governance.

We saw what Bugti did in his territory with the billions he got in gas royalties - the locals under his control were still largely illiterate and with poor facilities. He force thousands of his clan out of their homes and out of territory under his control because they challenged him.

Now that Baluchistan has been allocated a significantly larger amount of resources, will the elected leaders of Baluchistan actually spend the money constructively and build schools, hospitals and universities? Or will they keep arguing over who should control Gawadar port, which as an income generating tool is nowhere near to being significant?

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

i have seen and have quite a few balouch friends, they all have a negative idea of pakistan, they dont hesitate to speak about separation.

The ones on this forum say the opposite ...

Might be like the Afghans settled in Europe who can't stop harping about taking away Pakistani territory and 'reclaiming Pakhtunkhwa'.

 

[Awesome]

I see. It was sort of similar with Iran's Kurdistan. Right after the revolution, when the rich Kurdish criminals and smugglers saw that they weren't getting any power, they tried to start a separatist movement, which was brutally crushed in a matter of months.

As I said the height of the BLA was with Bugti (a very powerful Feudal lord), and since Pakistan killed him the dissenting voices have gone so down that now Pakistanis themselves are going out of their way to find out who are these still remaining dissenting people so their problems can be understood and acted upon.

Its good in my opinion. Once we discuss our mutual issues we can come up with plans for resolution of these issues.

 

[Hammy007]

So you mean the majority of Pakistanis would support occupying Baluchistan?

I hope this is never the case and i wish Pakistan nothing but peace and prosperity, but i get the sense that the majority of the Baluchis want independence.

shame on you man, in the pakistani forum you speak on pakistani occupation and oppression, shame shame, btw no iranian wants to live in the mullah oppression and i have personal contacts with them what do you think about this issue.

 

[Abi]

shame on you man, in the pakistani forum you speak on pakistani occupation and oppression, shame shame, btw no iranian wants to live in the mullah oppression and i have personal contacts with them what do you think about this issue.

Are you sure you're reading my posts?

 

[Awesome]

The ones on this forum say the opposite ...

Might be like the Afghans settled in Europe who can't stop harping about taking away Pakistani territory and 'reclaiming Pakhtunkhwa'.

It is also true that nowadays illegal Afghan immigrants are mostly hired for violent crimes by terrorist organizations like the BLA since Balochi recruits are harder to find.

Very very few Balochis will agree to suicide bombing. Its just not the type of people they are. Three million Afghan refugees are no joke.

 

[Ahmad]

The ones on this forum say the opposite ...

Might be like the Afghans settled in Europe who can't stop harping about taking away Pakistani territory and 'reclaiming Pakhtunkhwa'.

i didnt say all the balouchs but the ones i know.

about afghans claiming on Pakhtunkhwa, it depends on whom you are talking to, even the gov you are dealing with. since afghanistan is highly unstable country the issue of Pashtoonistan changes from gov to gov. it is the same with ordinary people, absolute majority of people dont care about the so called Pakhtunkhwa and consider it part of pakistan. ethnic affiliation also play the biggest role, you need to know that too.

 

[Khajur]

Indian Punjabis thought the same. No doubt many in the Indian Eastern States might be thinking the same, judging by the level of violence in both cases, and the existence of Khalistani organizations even today.

But as in Indian Punjab, Baluchistan is an internal Pakistani issue. The locals have certain legitimate grievances, and those have to be addressed, and the GoP is trying to address them. The NFC accord is a step in this direction as is the Baluchistan package (even more funds). But at the end of the day the issue boils down to local Baluch governance.

u see the khalistan(in their brain) movement in indian punjab is similar in nature to india and pakistan partition as in boths cases its religious difference that give rise demand for two separate nation.BTW,its not Indian Punjabis ,but some punjabi sikhs who want Khalistan.There are many hindu punjabis too.

while Baluchistan's case is more simillar to what happened in East pakistan where Bengalis got fed up with domination of west pakistani led by punjabis and wanted to come out it .

 

[Ahmad]

I see. It was sort of similar with Iran's Kurdistan. Right after the revolution, when the rich Kurdish criminals and smugglers saw that they weren't getting any power, they tried to start a separatist movement, which was brutally crushed in a matter of months.

the kurds of Iran have got the most freedom and fairness compare to the turkey's and syria's kurds. i dont understand what they want. altthough there needs to be more cultural freedom but that does not mean they want separation.

 

[dbc]

Aren't Baluchis stateless? Like the gypsies of Europe? I recall Emirati’s and Omani’s particularly Lawatis referring to Baluchis in their own country as nomadic. Do all Baluchis originate from Baluchistan in Pakistan?

 

[Abi]

the kurds of Iran have got the most freedom and fairness compare to the turkey's and syria's kurds. i dont understand what they want. altthough there needs to be more cultural freedom but that does not mean they want separation.

The Kurds are happy in Iran. The majority of PJAK are Iraqi and Turkish Kurds. The Kurds in Iran have as much cultural freedom as any other ethnic group.

 

[Awesome]

Aren't Baluchis stateless? Like the gypsies of Europe? I recall Emirati’s and Omani’s particularly Lawatis referring to Baluchis in their own country as nomadic. Do all Baluchis originate from Baluchistan in Pakistan?

Some part of Balochistan was formerly part of Oman (like the famous Gawadar). Pakistan bought it off from them and merged it with Balochistan.

There are some interracial mixing between Arabs and Balochis. The Baloch community is primarily the biggest reason why the Emiratis still tend to be closer to Pakistanis since Balochis due to their similar cultures have penetrated Emirati society and even obtained nationalities in some cases (Arabs have a close to non-existant naturalization process, but if you build connections anything is possible). Most police officers in UAE can speak Urdu, primarily because they are originally Balochi.

But none of that makes them stateless.