Yep, the world has a new role model for political and economic development

[HannibalBarca]

Western electoral democracy has reached it's level of incompetence.

Nope... since you are speaking about (mostly in mind) the US... where it's not rly a full democracy like the UE ones...

So NO, choosing your president/chief was;is and will never be somthing bad neither stupid...

PS: the strongest EMpires in our History were Democracies... go figure it out... and they weren't Perfect one either... flawed one and yet...you know the result

 

[Mista]

An exemple is Norway... It was the poorest in the EU Decades ago... it's one of the richest in the WOLRD now...
Some may say it's because of the black gold.. yes it helped... but it wasn't the main condition...

So yes it' spossible to do so in every country around the world and even inAFrica... the only condition is someone with enough goodwill power to impose it... and yes... they will be a long road... but Impossible should never be a word used for us Humans... and China is the definition of it.

If you spoke about China dev and avance of today 50 years ago... you will seen as the most stupid man on earth...



As for meritocracy... We know both of us..; that China Meritocracy is limited to a part of the population... turning a blind eye on it...just show the general hypocrisy... I have Chinese friends who are Doctors/ENgineers etc... and yet their last name and place of orign (south china and west) can't give them the same respect / place and value as others... So NO China is not a Meritocracy as some want to portray it, but sure there is for a " specific" part of them with all the good conditions...

The West are those who are nearer to perfect/Full Meritocracy. Where it's easier for a noname guy to be president... while in China... the sphere of power/influence is made of past important families per exemple... same for biz. And don't mistake the new rich in China as a success of meritocracy...

Norway is a poor example.

1) It's much admired sustainable welfare system and fiscal reserve is really because of the black gold. Trillions of oil revenue for a population of 5 million. How many countries are blessed with such abundance of resources?

2) It has a very different culture. A terrorist who killed more than 40 people gets have a university education during his prison time. He sued the government for 'abuse' and won. Do you think the Chinese or other developing countries can accept this level of bs?

On the West being the most meritocratic... Lol. If Trump is the best leader the US can offer, then US is doomed.

 

[HannibalBarca]

Norway is a poor example.

1) It's much admired sustainable welfare system and fiscal reserve is really because of the black gold. Trillions of oil revenue for a population of 5 million. How many countries are blessed with such abundance of resources?

2) It has a very different culture. A terrorist who killed more than 40 people gets have a university education during his prison time. He sued the government for 'abuse' and won. Do you think the Chinese or other developing countries can accept this level of bs?

On the West being the most meritocratic... Lol. If Trump is the best leader the US can offer, then US is doomed.

See... the moment you take the US as an exemple for all of our democracy..you already failed your analysis... since they do not represent the best...but only "what" others think as the best, with their simple limited mindset...
And yes the US is more meritocracist than China... even with his poor *** gov and broken sys... ans ironically Trump is the perfect exemple anyone can be someone... you just need to put your guts in it

And Meritocracy is not the best sys either, it's good but not the best... since you can't judge merits out of thin air... but merits follow an idea imposed on others by "someone".

Per exemple , 2 guys went to medical school and became Doctors, same grade, same averag beauty BUT one is from a poor background and the other from a wealthy family...Now who should be taken as an exemple of merits?

as for Norway exemple...well most of the arab world have more weath than them and yet you see the result... have money is not a condition for success... I could have taken sweden or switzerland or finland etc...

 

[Mista]

See... the moment you take the US as an exemple for all of our democracy..you already failed your analysis... since they do not represent the best...but only "what" others think as the best, with their simple limited mindset...
And yes the US is more meritocracist than China... even with his poor *** gov and broken sys... ans ironically Trump is the perfect exemple anyone can be someone... you just need to put your guts in it

And Meritocracy is not the best sys either, it's good but not the best... since you can't judge merits out of thin air... but merits follow an idea imposed on others by "someone".

Per exemple , 2 guys went to medical school and became Doctors, same grade, same averag beauty BUT one is from a poor background and the other from a wealthy family...Now who should be taken as an exemple of merits?

as for Norway exemple...well most of the arab world have more weath than them and yet you see the result... have money is not a condition for success... I could have taken sweden or switzerland or finland etc...

Lmao. You think Trump is more competent than Xi?

No one says meritocracy is the best. The East believes the leader should be the wisest while the West believes the leader should follow the will of the majority. You can argue about the semantics of what defines meritocracy but the fact that China values meritocracy over democracy in principle, whatever the form is.

 

[gambit]

And yes the US is more meritocracist than China... even with his poor *** gov and broken sys... ans ironically Trump is the perfect exemple anyone can be someone... you just need to put your guts in it

There is an old political joke in America...

- Roosevelt proved that anyone can be president forever.

- Truman proved that anyone can be president.

- Eisenhower proved the country does not need one.

Most foreigners missed the point of that joke, which is that the burden of QUALITY of leadership rests entirely on the public. No one else. That was no flaw in our system as those outside the US usually believes that it is a flaw. We have an extreme range where Theodore Roosevelt was elected three times that compelled a term limit Constitutional amendment and the other extreme where Eisenhower as such a passive president that the joke said the US does not really need a president. As always with jokes, the reality is somewhere in the middle of the extremes.

The Constitution's designers wanted to make it clear to the American public that the QUALITY of the presidency is temporary and is based upon their attention to details, not just of the candidates but of the world around them. The designers wanted to make it clear that ultimately, Americans have no one but themselves to either blame or praise as to the quality of the country's leadership.

The Orange One is just a blip in the history of American presidents.

 

[VCheng]

There is an old political joke in America...

- Roosevelt proved that anyone can be president forever.

- Truman proved that anyone can be president.

- Eisenhower proved the country does not need one.

Most foreigners missed the point of that joke, which is that the burden of QUALITY of leadership rests entirely on the public. No one else. That was no flaw in our system as those outside the US usually believes that it is a flaw. We have an extreme range where Theodore Roosevelt was elected three times that compelled a term limit Constitutional amendment and the other extreme where Eisenhower as such a passive president that the joke said the US does not really need a president. As always with jokes, the reality is somewhere in the middle of the extremes.

The Constitution's designers wanted to make it clear to the American public that the QUALITY of the presidency is temporary and is based upon their attention to details, not just of the candidates but of the world around them. The designers wanted to make it clear that ultimately, Americans have no one but themselves to either blame or praise as to the quality of the country's leadership.

The Orange One is just a blip in the history of American presidents.

I have said this many times before on PDF: USA is what it is despite its Presidents, not because of them.

 

[gambit]

Lmao. You think Trump is more competent than Xi?

The Orange One is a sociopath and has a dictatorship personality. He maybe more competent than Xi if he lives in the same political system as Xi, a system that is friendly to dictatorships.

On the other hand, Xi maybe less competent than The Orange One is he has to live under our political system of various checks and balances that was designed to curtail dictatorship behaviors.

So your question is really not applicable.

No one says meritocracy is the best. The East believes the leader should be the wisest while the West believes the leader should follow the will of the majority.

Wise according to what standards ?

Let us take the old saying: 'Tis better to be silent and be perceived a fool than to speak and remove all doubts.

Now...Whoever said that and whether it is correctly quoted and attributed are not the point so let is be.

The point is this...

If it is possible to be perceived a fool, then why not it is possible to be perceived a wise man ?

You can be technically smart about many things, but foolish overall about life in general that you ended up losing your money, your wife/husband, your house, etc...etc...

So then how can you qualify and quantify 'wisdom' ?

How many 'wise' men in the past have gone WITH the will of the people because they believe in the unconscious wisdom of the collective ? And how many 'wise' men have gone against because they believe the mob is collectively stupid ?

 

[HannibalBarca]

Lmao. You think Trump is more competent than Xi?

No one says meritocracy is the best. The East believes the leader should be the wisest while the West believes the leader should follow the will of the majority. You can argue about the semantics of what defines meritocracy but the fact that China values meritocracy over democracy in principle, whatever the form is.

what is being wise???

 

[lonelyman]

what advantages does a commie corrupt, favoritisum. below world avaerage GDP per captiva, no freedom, no free press etc have for the world...if you are not a little dictator or Sultan?

The majority of the world prefer democratic politic

Bullshit, take the world's "best" democracy for example

What does democracy do to solve the mass murder shooting, which is happening every 2 month in USA?
did any wall street crooks responsible for 2007 crisis go to jail? oh, instead they did get a big fat bonus check by running everything to the ground.

Now the government even scuttled only good thing come out the financial crisis, Senate Voted to Make it impossible for consumers to Sue Banks?
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...arbitration-rule-overturned-by-vote-in-senate

Oh, what about the millions of welfare parasites - totally capable man/women sitting at home doing nothing, living off other people's hard work? Does any politician dare to take the benefits away?

What about trillions dollars wasted and millions of innocent lives lost in those stupid wars?

You call it free press, I call it fake news in Trumps' words. Biased report representing only the special interests.

As a matter fact, both democrats and republicans are rotten to core, democracy? my ***.

 

[Zsari]

An exemple is Norway... It was the poorest in the EU Decades ago... it's one of the richest in the WOLRD now...
Some may say it's because of the black gold.. yes it helped... but it wasn't the main condition...

GDP Growth Rate in Norway averaged 0.64 percent from 1978 until 2017, reaching an all time high of 4 percent in the fourth quarter of 1994 and a record low of -2.60 percent in the third quarter of 1987.

As for meritocracy... We know both of us..; that China Meritocracy is limited to a part of the population... turning a blind eye on it...just show the general hypocrisy... I have Chinese friends who are Doctors/ENgineers etc... and yet their last name and place of orign (south china and west) can't give them the same respect / place and value as others... So NO China is not a Meritocracy as some want to portray it, but sure there is for a " specific" part of them with all the good conditions...

The West are those who are nearer to perfect/Full Meritocracy. Where it's easier for a noname guy to be president... while in China... the sphere of power/influence is made of past important families per exemple... same for biz. And don't mistake the new rich in China as a success of meritocracy...

For a noname guy to be president is not meritocracy, but opportunist. There are plenty in the top echelon of the Chinese government that comes from ordinary families, but it requires decades of experience and reputation building to get there. Mao is from south China, and Deng is from the western province, so I'm not even sure what you are referring to.

 

[Nan Yang]

So NO, choosing your president/chief was;is and will never be somthing bad neither stupid...

Not entirely true. Letting an average man on the street to choose the most important job of running a country is not a good idea. If you were to select a man to run a large company, who do you think would be the most qualified person to make that decision.

PS: the strongest EMpires in our History were Democracies... go figure it out... and they weren't Perfect one either... flawed one and yet...you know the result.

Errr No

 

[Mista]

what is being wise???

The ability to improve the living of the lot.

 

[gambit]

Bullshit, take the world's "best" democracy for example

What does democracy do to solve the mass murder shooting, which is happening every 2 month in USA?

Nothing democracy can do about it. In the same vein, there are plenty of social problems in your China so what does Chinese meritocracy do to solve those issues ? Do we need to outline them ?

did any wall street crooks responsible for 2007 crisis go to jail? oh, instead they did get a big fat bonus check by running everything to the ground.

Really ? And is your Chinese meritocracy is free from corruption ?

Now the government even scuttled only good thing come out the financial crisis, Senate Voted to Make it impossible for consumers to Sue Banks?
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...arbitration-rule-overturned-by-vote-in-senate

Do not concern yourself with how our legal system work when your own is always stacked against the common people.

 

[Han Patriot]

while you drop your letters the German Mittelstand pumps billions into development to come up with new ideas China copy five years later.... we make the things that went into the things China build..on mashines build in Germany

top 5 product groups Germany export to China (2012)
1. cars and car parts 19.3 billion Euro
2. mashines 16.9 billion Euro
3. computer and optical parts 5.9 billion Euro
4. electric and electronic parts 5.8 billion Euro
5. chemical prodcuts 4.1 million

top 5 prodcut groups China export to Germany (2012)
1. computer and optical parts 27.5 billion Euro
2. clothing 8.0 billion Euro
3. electric and electronic parts 7.8 billion Euro
4. mashines 5.9 billion Euro
5. metalstuff 3.3 billion Euro


why should our industry base be gone... do you have weet dreams?

Bro, I won't deny we are behind Germany and all western country. But the dangerous thing is our ambition and determination. The more you bash us, the stronger we become. We are already ahead of Germnay in a few technologies, let's see how the future turns out. We are no different from Nazi Germany btw.....

 

[Nan Yang]

There is an old political joke in America...

- Roosevelt proved that anyone can be president forever.

- Truman proved that anyone can be president.

- Eisenhower proved the country does not need one.

Most foreigners missed the point of that joke, which is that the burden of QUALITY of leadership rests entirely on the public. No one else. That was no flaw in our system as those outside the US usually believes that it is a flaw. We have an extreme range where Theodore Roosevelt was elected three times that compelled a term limit Constitutional amendment and the other extreme where Eisenhower as such a passive president that the joke said the US does not really need a president. As always with jokes, the reality is somewhere in the middle of the extremes.

The Constitution's designers wanted to make it clear to the American public that the QUALITY of the presidency is temporary and is based upon their attention to details, not just of the candidates but of the world around them. The designers wanted to make it clear that ultimately, Americans have no one but themselves to either blame or praise as to the quality of the country's leadership.

The Orange One is just a blip in the history of American presidents.

Because United States is run by the corporate elites. Who do you think funds the Congress. The administration just mainly do foreign policy.