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Yahya Planned Freeing BD March '72

Henry Kissinger and Nixon bottled going to war with india and the soviets even after repeated requests by Pak to go after russia who's navy was blocking pakistan waters.



the myth that india is the biggest democracy in the world shatters as soon as you talk to anyone from indian occupied kashmir. give them a referendum about staying with India or get independence and Mr Modi and the entire indian parliament gets a huge slap as its face.

don't call yourself a democracy when IOK can't stand your people, army or government.

you are forgetting that people of Kashmir are ruled by democratically elected Govt. They participated in elections, they are governed by Indian law, they use Indian currency etc...etc....,

Apart from propaganda by Pakistan that Kashmir is a freedom movement and it is pro pakistan, people of Kashmir know very well that their freedom movement has some limitation between two rivals and they know exactly which is a better option.

They also know the conditions in P-O-K and rights violations there.

Regarding referendum, There is no need to go for referendum once Hari Singh signed the accession agreement the region became India undisputed. Also the UN resolution related to Kashmir is time bound and expired.

If Simla agreement between India and Pakistan is cancelled they there is no dispute at all regarding Kashmir. Only issue is how to get the P-O-K.
 
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you are forgetting that people of Kashmir are ruled by democratically elected Govt. They participated in elections, they are governed by Indian law, they use Indian currency etc...etc....,

Apart from propaganda by Pakistan that Kashmir is a freedom movement and it is pro pakistan, people of Kashmir know very well that their freedom movement has some limitation between two rivals and they know exactly which is a better option.

They also know the conditions in P-O-K and rights violations there.

Regarding referendum, There is no need to go for referendum once Hari Singh signed the accession agreement the region became India undisputed. Also the UN resolution related to Kashmir is time bound and expired.

If Simla agreement between India and Pakistan is cancelled they there is no dispute at all regarding Kashmir. Only issue is how to get the P-O-K.

this has to be the joke of the century. Indian really are out doing each other.

donkey of the day
 
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Unlike Bangladesh and Pakistan, India has no issues with Kashmir.

What Indian armed forces did to some unfortunate Kashmiri people is condemnable and we owe and apology in this regard. Having said that the armed Jihad is the main cause and history is evidence on how people of Kashmir livelihoods plunged because of the terror from across border.

If you wanted to give freedom to BD, you would have given it right after elections.
you should have to see the Modi's speech at Dhaka University in which he says there was not any single difference between Mukhti Bahini and IA...

It was your country who start proxy wars in SA. It was your country which kill innocent Bengalis by disguising themselves as Pakistan forces, like they later did in Kashmir..
 
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I have the book, diaries of field marshal Ayub Khan, he was ready to grant a confederation like status to Bengal, since it was a distant land , which from defence point of view was not suitable for us, yet Bengali leadership rejected his offer. Bengal was always supposed to be independent even according to Pakistan Resolution which calls for one or more than one muslim majority states.

New info emerging suggests even Jinnah wanted to do away with the unitary system. However, the Karachi based Mohajir lobby was finding that going against their interest. Fyi, much of Jinnah's personal papers still remain hidden from the public.
 
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Lol... giving independence to bangladesh from bangladeshis....
 
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you should have to see the Modi's speech at Dhaka University in which he says there was not any single difference between Mukhti Bahini and IA...

It was your country who start proxy wars in SA. It was your country which kill innocent Bengalis by disguising themselves as Pakistan forces, like they later did in Kashmir..
Yes we broke away East Pakistan. We got one less front to worry about. Ain't nothing Pakistan can do about it now
 
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In the 1940 resolution, there is mention of two autonomous states. Pakistan and Bangladesh or East Pakistan should have been independent states from the beginning. Had this been the case, may be Bangladesh or E.P would have been the strongest allies like Britain and US are today. Far apart but with similar interests.
 
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Yes we broke away East Pakistan. We got one less front to worry about. Ain't nothing Pakistan can do about it now
Now don't cry like a bitch that Pakistan is doing this and that in our country...

Have a good day..
 
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Kashmir is going to be Stalingrad for India very soon. If India cannot see it, well good for us.
 
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East Pakistan would be given independence, Pak president told US in November 1971
Home / Today's Paper / Top Story / East Pakistan would be given independence, Pak president told US in November 1971
By Ahmad Noorani
November 24, 2016

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Former US Secretary of State Henry Kissinger makes revelation in interview

ISLAMABAD: One of the world’s most famous and reputed diplomats Henry Kissinger has revealed in his latest interview to the magazine ‘The Atlantic’ that the then Pakistan’s president and its army chief had told United States President Richard Nixon in November 1971 that Pakistan would grant independence to East Pakistan.

This is stunning revelation as in November, 1971 India had not invaded East Pakistan, now Bangladesh. India invaded East Pakistan on December 3, 1971.

Henry Kissinger was 56th US Secretary of State and served from September 22, 1973 to January 20, 1977. Kissinger also served as US National Security Adviser from January 20, 1969 to November 3, 1975. Kissinger played a key role in United States foreign policy between 1969 and 1977.

In his latest interview with Jeffrey Goldberg, the Editor-in-Chief of ‘The Atlantic’, Kissinger has discussed many issues ahead of recent US elections.

While narrating events of 1971 in context of US’ opening to China and Pakistan-India Bangladesh issue, Kissinger said, “After the opening to China via Pakistan, America engaged in increasingly urging Pakistan to grant autonomy to Bangladesh. In November, the Pakistani president agreed with Nixon to grant independence the following March.”

The interview starts with the introductory para; “What follows is an extended transcript of several conversations on foreign policy I had with former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger ahead of the 2016 US presidential election, which formed the basis of a story in the December issue of The Atlantic. That story, along with an interview on Kissinger’s reaction to the surprise electoral victory of Donald Trump, can be found here. The transcript below has been condensed and edited for clarity.”

The relevant question asked by The Atlantic’s Editor-In-Chief and the Kissinger response were as follows:

Goldberg: Was the opening to China worth the sacrifices, the deaths, experienced in the India-Pakistan Bangladesh crisis?

Henry Kissinger: Human rights are an essential goal of American policy. But so is national security. In some situations, no choice between them is required, making the moral issue relatively simple. But there are situations in which a conflict arises, specifically when a country important to American security or international order engages in conduct contrary to our values, requiring the president to make a series of judgments: about the magnitude of the conflict; the resources available to remedy it; the impact of our actions on its foreseeable evolution; and finally, if the president identifies a path forward, the willingness of the American public to maintain that effort. Emphasizing human rights led us into failed nation-building in Iraq; ignoring them permitted genocide in Rwanda. Contemporary policymakers face this challenge all over the world, especially all over the Middle East.

The statesman can usually only reach his goal in stages and, by definition, imperfectly. The art of policy is to move through imperfect stages towards ever-more fulfilling goals.

Your question on Bangladesh demonstrates how this issue has been confused in our public debate. There was never the choice between suffering in Bangladesh and the opening to China. It is impossible to go into detail in one far-ranging interview. However, allow me to outline some principles:

1- The opening to China began in 1969.

2- The Bangladesh crisis began in March 1971.

3- By then, we had conducted a number of highly secret exchanges with China and were on the verge of a breakthrough.

4- These exchanges were conducted through Pakistan, which emerged as the interlocutor most acceptable to Beijing and Washington.

5- The Bangladesh crisis, in its essence, was an attempt of the Bengali part of Pakistan to achieve independence. Pakistan resisted with extreme violence and gross human-rights violations.

6- To condemn these violations publicly would have destroyed the Pakistani channel, which would be needed for months to complete the opening to China, which indeed was launched from Pakistan. The Nixon administration considered the opening to China as essential to a potential diplomatic recasting towards the Soviet Union and the pursuit of peace. The US diplomats witnessing the Bangladesh tragedy were ignorant of the opening to China. Their descriptions were heartfelt and valid, but we could not respond publicly. But we made available vast quantities of food and undertook diplomatic efforts to resolve the situation.

7- After the opening to China via Pakistan, America engaged in increasingly urging Pakistan to grant autonomy to Bangladesh. In November, the Pakistani president agreed with Nixon to grant independence the following March.

8- The following December, India, after having made a treaty including military provisions with the Soviet Union, and in order to relieve the strain of refugees, invaded East Pakistan [which is today Bangladesh].

9- The US had to navigate between Soviet pressures; Indian objectives; Chinese suspicions; and Pakistani nationalism. Adjustments had to be made—and would require a book to cover—but the results require no apology. By March 1972—within less than a year of the commencement of the crisis—Bangladesh was independent; the India-Pakistan War ended; and the opening to China completed at a summit in Beijing in February 1972. A summit in Moscow in May 1972 resulted in a major nuclear arms control agreement [SALT I]. Relations with India were restored by 1974 with the creation of a US-Indian Joint Commission [the Indo-US Joint Commission on Economic, Commercial, Scientific, Technological, Educational and Cultural Cooperation], which remains part of the basis of contemporary US-India relations. Compared with Syria, Libya, Egypt, Iraq, and Afghanistan, the sacrifices made in 1971 have had a far more clear-cut end.

Where in the article it stated that Yahiya would give independence in Feb, 71 except in Nov, 71? And if we were to go by DR. Kissinger's new revelation then lackluster attitude of GEN. Hamid Khan & Co.'s defending of E. PAK could very well be understood. And on the same note, Nixon administration's unwillingness to stand up to Soviet & IND also be associated. Finally, it could be inferred that IND chose right time and place to take advantage of the situation.
 
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Completely implausible.

Why bother with the election in the first place.

A confederacy was possible if Mujibs 6 point plan was accepted, why was it not.

If confederacy was the aim then allowing Mujib to form the government post election would have achieved that smoothly.

This is revisionist claptrap. The generals and Bhutto wanted to hang onto power whatever means. They did not think BD would break away and once the structure started to crumble it was beyond their control.

I mourn the blood that was spilt. But given the history of west Pakistan from the 70's to date I feel BD future is better without any formal linkage to the West.

Economically and socially we are in a much higher trajectory than the west Pakistan, I fundamentally do not believe that would be the case if we remained East Pakistan.
 
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Mr. Kissinger: What would be the motive for a declaration of independence?

As we know, Yahya Khan resigned, but in his last act helped perpetuate one-man rule and disregard for constitutional processes by transferring power not to the duly elected National Assembly but to Mr. Z. A. Bhutto, whom he personally appointed as Chief Martial Law Administrator. Within a short time bureaucratic tyranny, regional separatism, politics of vendetta, and other ills of the previous days returned to dominate the scene as if nothing of import had ever occurred. The radical change in politics and society that one could have expected to follow a traumatic national experience of such magnitude did not take place.
 
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