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To be honest, you think CCP give a fxxk to what those islam terrorists think???

I would like CCP to get another iron fist guy like general wang zhen appointed there, who basically eradicated the islam separatists for many years since basically he has massacred all of those nutcases then.

Now looking at those islam nutcases keeping jumping out like clowns, we need put them down quickly with powerful demonstration.

Agreed. :tup:

The Government needs to crack down on these extremists, a bullet for each one.

Google is your friend..
But if you insist,here is one,and there are many you can find.

I said is there any source for Muslims in China being crushed under tanks, as you claimed?
 
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It took America 9/11 and Europe 7/7 London bombings to understand what the rest of the world (India, Israel, Russia) was saying for decades. I truly hope China doesn't need any incident to wake up. Chinese are smart, but they should be careful. Confucius had always maintained the society should be obedient.

I know every religion is rogue and blah blah blah! But why do 99.9% of terrorists hail from one single religion? They have forced, generally peaceful Hindus/Sikhs to pick up arms. Giving this example I may be biased but heck they have even forced Buddhists (World's most peaceful religion) to take up arms. There must be something ey?
 
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To be honest, you think CCP give a fxxk to what those islam terrorists think???

I would like CCP to get another iron fist guy like general wang zhen appointed there, who basically eradicated the islam separatists for many years since basically he has massacred all of those nutcases then.

Now looking at those islam nutcases keeping jumping out like clowns, we need put them down quickly with powerful demonstration.

Noit giving a fuk is a two way road..If CCP doesnt give a fuk about their people..no wonder the forgotten uncared for people also give a fuk about CCP authority.
 
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heavy handed tactics???

You have not seen that yet.

If you called our CCP's current soft-handing "heavy handed tactics", what will you call our CCP's general wang zhen's iron fist rule there??? :)

We will never be like USA and those islam terrorists will never be able to do anything in China since our news will completely shut them down if they dare to try anything big. They will get CCP's bloody revenge on all of those islam nutcases there. Trust me, it won't be pretty. We China will not give those islam nutcases a stage like CNN, or whatever US news channels here, obsessing with those boston terrorists day in and day out. If such thing happens in China, we will shut them down.

Years ago, general wang zhen basically massacred all of those nutcases then. CCP won't be afraid to do it all over again if those islam nutcases do not know how to behave.

BTW, trust me, brute force is the most effective way to solve the problem. The worst way to solve it is the western way.

Giving those terrorists trials, appeals, jail sentences and etc???

Are you kidding me?

China is still a poor country and we won't waste money on those islam terrorists. We will give them each a bullet and their family need pay for that cost of the bullet.

We will make their lives and their family's lives so tough that they would rather go to hell than challenging China government.

Don't believe CCP can be that tough, well, how about you keep trying???

I cant explain that and wont.
But needless to say that Chinese forces are also to be blamed and their heavy handed tactics.
If china wants to go the way USA went,then good luck its been 20 years since they been fighting their WOT and they achieved nothing.
China can try brute force as they been doing since 1980s,but that wont solve the issue.
Giving more religious rights and more freedom and economic reforms will win hearts and minds and isolate the miscreants.
 
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I said is there any source for Muslims in China being crushed under tanks, as you claimed?
i posted one already but apperantly you are ignoring it...typical

heavy handed tactics???

You have not seen that yet.

If you called our CCP's current soft-handing "heavy handed tactics", what will you call our CCP's general wang zhen's iron fist rule there??? :)

We will never be like USA and those islam terrorists will never be able to do anything in China since our news will completely shut them down if they dare to try anything big. They will get CCP's bloody revenge on all of those islam nutcases there. Trust me, it won't be pretty. We China will not give those islam nutcases a stage like CNN, or whatever US news channels here, obsessing with those boston terrorists day in and day out. If such thing happens in China, we will shut them down.

Years ago, general wang zhen basically massacred all of those nutcases then. CCP won't be afraid to do it all over again if those islam nutcases do not know how to behave.

BTW, trust me, brute force is the most effective way to solve the problem. The worst way to solve it is the western way.

Giving those terrorists trials, appeals, jail sentences and etc???

Are you kidding me?

China is still a poor country and we won't waste money on those islam terrorists. We will give them each a bullet and their family need pay for that cost of the bullet.

We will make their lives and their family's live so tough that they would rather go to hell than challenging China government.

Don't believe CCP can be that tough, well, how about you keep trying???

Communist mind is as much radicalised as any Muslim Terrorist mind,hence your support for violence.
 
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Noit giving a fuk is a two way road..If CCP doesnt give a fuk about their people..no wonder the forgotten uncared for people also give a fuk about CCP authority.

We don't give a f*ck about terrorists and extremists, they deserve nothing more than a bullet each.

Haven't you seen how terrorists and extremists have destroyed your country and economy? Bring heavy handed is far better than letting terrorists run wild.
 
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You seem to confuse between terrorists and normal people.

CCP won't give a fxxk to those islam terrorists. I hope you start to type after you see what is written carefully.

Noit giving a fuk is a two way road..If CCP doesnt give a fuk about their people..no wonder the forgotten uncared for people also give a fuk about CCP authority.

For any actions against those islam terrorists, we do not call that violence but justice taken.

Well, we can use whatever weapons we have, tanks, machine guns, grenades, flamethrower or whatever...

i posted one already but apperantly you are ignoring it...typical



Communist mind is as much radicalised as any Muslim Terrorist mind,hence your support for violence.
 
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21 killed in Uighur clashes in China

Clashes in China's western region of Xinjiang have left 21 people dead, including police officers and social workers.

According to Chinese media, the conflict started when government officials noticed a group of ethnic Uighurs carrying knives.

After reporting the group to police, they are said to have been taken hostage.

Police, along with other government functionaries then arrived at the house close to the city of Kashgar.

Details of what happened next are unclear but there was a violent clash in which more local Uighurs joined in and opposed the police.

Fifteen of those killed were either police or social workers and six were members of China's Uighur ethnic minority.

Eight people were arrested. A provincial government official said these people were Uighurs but did not confirm their identity.

Media reports said an investigation showed the gang members had been plotting to carry out "terrorist activities", and branded the fighting a "violent terror incident".

Xinjiang is home to around nine million ethnic Uighurs, many of whom complain of religious and cultural repression by Chinese authorities.

China has repeatedly accused ethnic Uighurs of carrying out terrorist activities in the province, where 20 men were jailed in March on terrorism charges.

Riots between Uighurs and members of China's Han ethnic majority in Xinjiang's capital Urumqi in 2009 killed around 200 people, leading the ruling Communist Party to tighten surveillance and boost investment in the region.

According to official figures, 46 per cent of Xinjiang's population is Uighur, while 39 per cent are Han Chinese.


21 killed in Uighur clashes in China > Strategic-Culture.org - Strategic Culture Foundation
 
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BTW, you need quote the words carefully from the source.

whatever we crushed, those are "muslim terrorists" or "islam terrorists", or "islam nutcases", or "islam extremists", or "muslim separatists" or similar

We do not crush normal muslims who behave well under our China laws. Even though we restrict many practices of muslim religion, for those who are well-behaved Chinese muslim citizens, we welcome them.

Do not forget the extra word "terrorists", "separatists" and "extremists" those other authors indicate!

BTW, you are indeed right. Chinese are way more radical when we deal with islam terrorists. During Qing Dynasty, to deal with those Hui muslim riots, Qing's emperor sent generals to basically WIPE OUT the muslim population in several provinces in Northwest China ... Some of those leftovers had to escape into russia and hid there even today.

The only Hui muslim population we spared were those who did not join in the riots and with the government then.

That is another reason why Hui muslims do not join in those uighur terrorists today even though they are both muslims. They have learnt the bloody lessons the harshest way.

i posted one already but apperantly you are ignoring it...typical



Communist mind is as much radicalised as any Muslim Terrorist mind,hence your support for violence.
 
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The art of dialogue on China's Uighur issue


Culture, clashes and crackdowns in restive Xinjiang on display at Beijing museum, inciting rare public discourse.

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Beijing, China - Three years after predominantly Muslim Uighurs staged a major protest against government rule in the northwestern Chinese province of Xinjiang, a small band of filmmakers and artists set out from Beijing for the restive region to take part in a joint exhibition - and to establish a cross-cultural rapport.

Creating a coalition crossing the ethnic and religious boundaries that separate the Turkic-speaking Uighurs from the majority Han Chinese would not be easy. An initially peaceful Uighur protest calling for equal protection under the law turned violent in July 2009, after security forces tried to crush the demonstration. The riots that followed in the provincial capital, Urumqi, led to the death of nearly 200 people, according to Chinese government accounts.

The region had long been rocked by unrest. For centuries Xinjiang has been a borderland between different peoples and belief systems, and was the site of Buddhist-Muslim wars.



Yet during two decades of sketching slices of life in Xinjiang, Liu Xiaodong - who headed the journey to the province - said he had never directly encountered the anti-government animus that fuels the sporadic violence.

That changed just days after he touched down in Hotan, in southern Xinjiang, last June with a group of documentary filmmakers. While setting up a tent studio along the Kashgar River to sketch and paint jade prospectors in the area, the group discovered via China's version of Twitter that six hijackers were attempting to take over the cockpit of an airplane that had just left Hotan's small airport.


Although security officers ultimately overpowered the armed hijackers, rescuing the plane and its passengers, over the following days, "the army and police flooded into Hotan", Liu recounted.

After the incident, the Communist Party imposed martial law-like rule over the region. The artists continued their projects, however, and Liu later joined an art show with counterparts from Xinjiang.

Free-speech museum

This year, the artists are exhibiting their chronicles of life in Xinjiang. As the filmmakers project their footage, shot amid deserts and sandstorm-pounded oases, Liu shows his sketched impressions of Xinjiang: a young Uighur couple getting married, an imam chanting scriptures, and a now-destroyed mosque.

Liu also displays his daily journals from the trip. One day, the group encountered a military roadblock where Chinese troops wielding clubs and shields interrogated everyone passing through the checkpoint. A tour guide whispered to him, "There are many hidden terrorist dangers".

Armed police conducted nightly neighbourhood sweeps that included entering homes and checking the identity papers of each inhabitant.

These notebooks depicting life under military control in Xinjiang could never be exhibited in a Chinese government-run museum, and the private Today Art Museum in Beijing is pushing the boundaries on freedom of expression by displaying them.

Hou Hanru, a Paris-based curator who designed the exhibition, invited an array of experts on Xinjiang - including religious figures, writers and artists - to hold a series of dialogues with the public on Xinjiang's past and future.

This independent art centre could be likened to "an autonomous zone" where expanded freedom of speech can set the stage for alternatives to the system that persecutes Uighurs, Hou said.

Liu said the scholars taking part in discussions at the museum have been thanking him because inside Xinjiang, "opportunities to speak out are very limited".

Locking down Xinjiang

After the mid-2009 uprising, the authorities quickly imposed a communications and information blackout across Xinjiang. All Internet access was blocked and international telephone lines were cut as security forces deployed to schools, mosques, and other public meeting places. Laptops and mobile phones were checked for any photographs of the protests or the government crackdown.

China's government says a heavy security presence is required in Xinjiang to fight what it calls religious extremism and terrorist violence.

"Within two weeks of the riots at least 4,000 Uighurs had been arrested," said Professor Colin Mackerras of Griffith University in Australia. "There were many cases of disappearance of suspects and breaches of due legal process, including torture."

In the wake of the violent street demonstrations, China stepped up joint military exercises involving fellow members of the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation, a security grouping that also includes Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, Uzbekistan and Russia. The body is aimed at preventing any "spread of Islamist influence and terrorism" across Central Asia, said Mackerras, who often travels to the region.

As part of the crackdown, the Chinese government has created a matrix of riot-proof surveillance cameras that now cover alleyways, buses, mosques - even kindergartens - across Xinjiang's capital. Beijing has also channeled $100m into strengthening its deployment of paramilitary People's Armed Police across Xinjiang, while the Chinese military nationwide has expanded anti-terrorism training.

Pan-Turkic union

China's leadership is bolstering security across the region not just to prevent unrest, but also to limit the spread of ideas about a pan-Turkic union under Islamic rule, said Mackerras.

Liu, the painter, said the Muslim-majority province has been transformed over the past two decades. "The ancient mosques are disappearing - the bigger the city, the fewer the mosques."

Also being buried in the government's campaign to modernise Xinjiang are traditional arts and architecture, and even the Uighur writing system. "Of course, every ethnic group wants to protect its traditions and beliefs and architecture, and would not be happy to see these disappear," Liu said.

Inside Xinjiang, security forces regularly monitor streets, schools and the Internet for any unapproved religious activities, while blocking dozens of websites operated by Uighur groups in exile calling for greater autonomy or human rights for their 10 million compatriots inside Xinjiang.

However, the government blockade on Internet access, imposed for nearly a year following the last uprising in Urumqi, may have backfired. "Shutting down the Internet probably fanned discontent, especially among professionals in the cities, who are the ones taking part in the protests," said Mackerras, author of China's Minorities.

During Mao Zedong's reign, until his death in 1976, the Communist Party tried to obliterate the languages, customs, religions and cultures of China's ethnic minorities. Later, the Party tried to create at least a semblance of religious freedom for Xinjiang's Uighurs in order to promote diplomatic ties with the oil-rich Middle East and Central Asia.

Yet strict controls on speech, religion and peaceful assembly across Xinjiang could be like trying to cap a volcano, delaying rather than preventing its next eruption, said Mackerras.

Hou, the exhibition's curator, suggested that "allowing greater freedom of expression could help solve Xinjiang's problems".

Any progress made towards fostering a peaceful interplay between cultures in Xinjiang, Hou said, could have "global significance in the context of geopolitical conflicts that are dominating everyday life and politics all across the world today".

The Xinjiang exhibition might travel to the Middle East later this year, added Hou.
 
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We don't give a f*ck about terrorists and extremists, they deserve nothing more than a bullet each.

Haven't you seen how terrorists and extremists have destroyed your country and economy? Bring heavy handed is far better than letting terrorists run wild.

exactly..
thats because our strings are being pulled from Washington and we are fighting WOT "as told to us by USA".
But i also remember when Pakistan fought wot THE RIGHT WAY...It swat and Malakand agency in 1995 when there was a massive uprising for shariah law and people were up in arms.
All PA did was surround the area,stopped large ammunition supply and parked armoured vehicles in plain view..Local radicals fired small arms on tanks and armoured vehicles,which of course caused no harm...and after a week or two,they got bored.
Since no killings were done by PA,the support of locals swung towards PA and hard-liners got isolated.Then in Malakand Agency Shariah courts were created with option for the people if they want to take their case to normal court,jirga or a shariah court.
That way the people saw that their demands have been fulfilled and the "rebellion" simply died out without bloodshed.

So there you go..WOT needs a clever response than plain trigger happy armed response..
 
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I cant explain that and wont.
But needless to say that Chinese forces are also to be blamed and their heavy handed tactics.
If china wants to go the way USA went,then good luck its been 20 years since they been fighting their WOT and they achieved nothing.
China can try brute force as they been doing since 1980s,but that wont solve the issue.
Giving more religious rights and more freedom and economic reforms will win hearts and minds and isolate the miscreants.

I don't know about now,but back in 90s when i was a regular visitor to china,the Muslims were p.iss poor,normally found selling stuff by roadside in big Chinese cities.

make people rich and they will forget their grievances even religious ones. Thats human nature..But hungry man is always an angry man..religious or otherwise.

Let me explain it.Because What they did has nothing to do with Islam,they just want people's fear and getting attenion from the world then,seperate from china.

When talking about muslim's rights in china today(not 80s or 90s),ask Hui muslims.

Question:Is pakistan terrorists killing their people just because paksitan gov didn't give rights to muslims?
 
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Well, that is your way of doing things.

We have no time, money or energy to play games with terrorists.

We will use the greater terror against those terrorists and their families in a way that they would rather go to hell if they can choose again.

exactly..
thats because our strings are being pulled from Washington and we are fighting WOT "as told to us by USA".
But i also remember when Pakistan fought wot THE RIGHT WAY...It swat and Malakand agency in 1995 when there was a massive uprising for shariah law and people were up in arms.
All PA did was surround the area,stopped large ammunition supply and parked armoured vehicles in plain view..Local radicals fired small arms on tanks and armoured vehicles,which of course caused no harm...and after a week or two,they got bored.
Since no killings were done by PA,the support of locals swung towards PA and hard-liners got isolated.Then in Malakand Agency Shariah courts were created with option for the people if they want to take their case to normal court,jirga or a shariah court.
That way the people saw that their demands have been fulfilled and the "rebellion" simply died out without bloodshed.

So there you go..WOT needs a clever response than plain trigger happy armed response..

Nothing will change.

China does not give a fxxk to what the west hypocrite politicians will think and say.

Don't get the CCP's nerves. Otherwise, CCP will not only lock that region down, but also finally decide to do some cleansing to solve the terrorists once for all.

Don't mis-interpret CCP as a soft power.

The art of dialogue on China's Uighur issue


Culture, clashes and crackdowns in restive Xinjiang on display at Beijing museum, inciting rare public discourse.

20133219912806734_20.jpg


Beijing, China - Three years after predominantly Muslim Uighurs staged a major protest against government rule in the northwestern Chinese province of Xinjiang, a small band of filmmakers and artists set out from Beijing for the restive region to take part in a joint exhibition - and to establish a cross-cultural rapport.

Creating a coalition crossing the ethnic and religious boundaries that separate the Turkic-speaking Uighurs from the majority Han Chinese would not be easy. An initially peaceful Uighur protest calling for equal protection under the law turned violent in July 2009, after security forces tried to crush the demonstration. The riots that followed in the provincial capital, Urumqi, led to the death of nearly 200 people, according to Chinese government accounts.

The region had long been rocked by unrest. For centuries Xinjiang has been a borderland between different peoples and belief systems, and was the site of Buddhist-Muslim wars.



Yet during two decades of sketching slices of life in Xinjiang, Liu Xiaodong - who headed the journey to the province - said he had never directly encountered the anti-government animus that fuels the sporadic violence.

That changed just days after he touched down in Hotan, in southern Xinjiang, last June with a group of documentary filmmakers. While setting up a tent studio along the Kashgar River to sketch and paint jade prospectors in the area, the group discovered via China's version of Twitter that six hijackers were attempting to take over the cockpit of an airplane that had just left Hotan's small airport.


Although security officers ultimately overpowered the armed hijackers, rescuing the plane and its passengers, over the following days, "the army and police flooded into Hotan", Liu recounted.

After the incident, the Communist Party imposed martial law-like rule over the region. The artists continued their projects, however, and Liu later joined an art show with counterparts from Xinjiang.

Free-speech museum

This year, the artists are exhibiting their chronicles of life in Xinjiang. As the filmmakers project their footage, shot amid deserts and sandstorm-pounded oases, Liu shows his sketched impressions of Xinjiang: a young Uighur couple getting married, an imam chanting scriptures, and a now-destroyed mosque.

Liu also displays his daily journals from the trip. One day, the group encountered a military roadblock where Chinese troops wielding clubs and shields interrogated everyone passing through the checkpoint. A tour guide whispered to him, "There are many hidden terrorist dangers".

Armed police conducted nightly neighbourhood sweeps that included entering homes and checking the identity papers of each inhabitant.

These notebooks depicting life under military control in Xinjiang could never be exhibited in a Chinese government-run museum, and the private Today Art Museum in Beijing is pushing the boundaries on freedom of expression by displaying them.

Hou Hanru, a Paris-based curator who designed the exhibition, invited an array of experts on Xinjiang - including religious figures, writers and artists - to hold a series of dialogues with the public on Xinjiang's past and future.

This independent art centre could be likened to "an autonomous zone" where expanded freedom of speech can set the stage for alternatives to the system that persecutes Uighurs, Hou said.

Liu said the scholars taking part in discussions at the museum have been thanking him because inside Xinjiang, "opportunities to speak out are very limited".

Locking down Xinjiang

After the mid-2009 uprising, the authorities quickly imposed a communications and information blackout across Xinjiang. All Internet access was blocked and international telephone lines were cut as security forces deployed to schools, mosques, and other public meeting places. Laptops and mobile phones were checked for any photographs of the protests or the government crackdown.

China's government says a heavy security presence is required in Xinjiang to fight what it calls religious extremism and terrorist violence.

"Within two weeks of the riots at least 4,000 Uighurs had been arrested," said Professor Colin Mackerras of Griffith University in Australia. "There were many cases of disappearance of suspects and breaches of due legal process, including torture."

In the wake of the violent street demonstrations, China stepped up joint military exercises involving fellow members of the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation, a security grouping that also includes Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, Uzbekistan and Russia. The body is aimed at preventing any "spread of Islamist influence and terrorism" across Central Asia, said Mackerras, who often travels to the region.

As part of the crackdown, the Chinese government has created a matrix of riot-proof surveillance cameras that now cover alleyways, buses, mosques - even kindergartens - across Xinjiang's capital. Beijing has also channeled $100m into strengthening its deployment of paramilitary People's Armed Police across Xinjiang, while the Chinese military nationwide has expanded anti-terrorism training.

Pan-Turkic union

China's leadership is bolstering security across the region not just to prevent unrest, but also to limit the spread of ideas about a pan-Turkic union under Islamic rule, said Mackerras.

Liu, the painter, said the Muslim-majority province has been transformed over the past two decades. "The ancient mosques are disappearing - the bigger the city, the fewer the mosques."

Also being buried in the government's campaign to modernise Xinjiang are traditional arts and architecture, and even the Uighur writing system. "Of course, every ethnic group wants to protect its traditions and beliefs and architecture, and would not be happy to see these disappear," Liu said.

Inside Xinjiang, security forces regularly monitor streets, schools and the Internet for any unapproved religious activities, while blocking dozens of websites operated by Uighur groups in exile calling for greater autonomy or human rights for their 10 million compatriots inside Xinjiang.

However, the government blockade on Internet access, imposed for nearly a year following the last uprising in Urumqi, may have backfired. "Shutting down the Internet probably fanned discontent, especially among professionals in the cities, who are the ones taking part in the protests," said Mackerras, author of China's Minorities.

During Mao Zedong's reign, until his death in 1976, the Communist Party tried to obliterate the languages, customs, religions and cultures of China's ethnic minorities. Later, the Party tried to create at least a semblance of religious freedom for Xinjiang's Uighurs in order to promote diplomatic ties with the oil-rich Middle East and Central Asia.

Yet strict controls on speech, religion and peaceful assembly across Xinjiang could be like trying to cap a volcano, delaying rather than preventing its next eruption, said Mackerras.

Hou, the exhibition's curator, suggested that "allowing greater freedom of expression could help solve Xinjiang's problems".

Any progress made towards fostering a peaceful interplay between cultures in Xinjiang, Hou said, could have "global significance in the context of geopolitical conflicts that are dominating everyday life and politics all across the world today".

The Xinjiang exhibition might travel to the Middle East later this year, added Hou.
 
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If what those terrorists doing have nothing to do with islam, well, how many imams, or at least major imams, major muslim scholars come out denouncing what those terrorists have done in the past 10 years, or 20 years???

What is the percentage of those imams denouncing terrorists vs those keeping silence???



Let me explain it.Because What they did has nothing to do with Islam,they just want people's fear and getting attenion from the world then,seperate from china.

When talking about muslim's rights in china today(not 80s or 90s),ask Hui muslims.

Question:Is pakistan terrorists killing their people just because paksitan gov didn't give rights to muslims?
 
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