Xinjiang Province: News & Discussions

[CHN Bamboo]

If you are Chinese why don't you talk something in Chinese with him

okay,I object to his words about Chinese
某人，你到底怎么了，大多中国人讨厌巴基斯坦？你开什么玩笑呢，不要瞎代表

 

[Jlaw]

Police in Xinjiang do not carry guns? Well something is wrong with that picture.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Yes, I can see that especially after observing which kind of birds (rather A bird) you flock with. A man is known by the company he keeps. Take care..

You seem to be a most immature man. Internet is not the real world. We don't come here to make friends. We don't come here looking to 'flock' with any particular people. I come here to size up people thoughts. Lot of people will reserve what they think in real life. The annonymity of internet allows those deeper thoughts to come to the surface.

So these forums are not to sit around with 'like lick like' but places where you can engage in free debate to provoke, think, learn and develop ideas. Otherwise if you want to just have bunch of 'yes guys' get all your friends togather who will be 'birds of the feather' and just say "yes" to each other.

Critical debate is what this is all about. From that cauldron are borne new ideas. Something you need to learn about 'education'.

 

[syedali73]

You seem to be a most immature man. Internet is not the real world. We don't come here to make friends. We don't come here looking to 'flock' with any particular people. I come here to size up people thoughts. Lot of people will reserve what they think in real life. The annonymity of internet allows those deeper thoughts to come to the surface.

So these forums are not to sit around with 'like lik like' but places where you can engage in free debate to provoke, think, learn and develop ideas. Otherwise if you want to just have bunch of 'yes guys' get all your friends togather who will be 'birds of the feather' and just say "yes" to each other.

Critical debate is what this is all about. From that cauldron are borne new ideas. Something you need to learn about 'education'.

I hear you. Please carry on.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

I hear you. Please carry on.

I take that bit about "immature" man back ...

I know I like beating off the regular path. That is freedom of internet to explore new ideas, challange old concepts and evolve through unrelenting critical anyalysis in open free discourse ..

 

[mike2000 is back]

Lool interesting debate going on here.

As many know I already said it before, Pakistan will have a hard time maintaining its alliance with China, WHY? Simple answer : RELIGION.
Most Middle Eastern /Muslim countries always put religion first (especially the people) so obviously there are many Pakistani who sympathise with their 'oppressed ' Muslim uygurs brothers , just like Pakistan's best friend Turkey does as well. religion to most of these people comes first before even their own country much less national interests.
So China as i said before ought to be very careful in it's dealings with these countries. For if there were not elements in Pakistan who sympathise with uygur terrorists and East Turkestan movement there is no way some of their members (even the head of ETIM) will have found sanctuary in Pakistan and Afghanistan. this doesn't necessarily means the Pakistani government is supporting these groups, but the Pakistani government unfortunately doesn't have control of the whole country as there are regions where militant and terror groups reign supreme like the tribal regions, so it's difficult for the government to stamp out these extremists once and for all. Their government and army has been trying though, having suffered tend of thousands of deaths at the hands of fighting these terrorists. So as we can see , if we use some people's reasoning /logic, Pakistan is also oppressing it's Muslim's peopulation reason they have taken arms against the state/country. LMAO

I NEVER CONDONE terrorism, doesnt matter whether it's in China, Russia, Europe, Yemen, U. S etc. I condemn it, and I don't like listening to excuses SOME of these terror groups Muslim sympathisers(especially when it happens in a non Muslim country where Muslim are involved) use to justify these acts, saying its because these Muslim terrorists ate being oppressed by the government (funny thing is that these Muslim terrorist sympathisers never say the same thing when these same terrorists strike and kill their own people in their own Muslim countries. Loool )

Anyway RIP the the innocent policemen death. Such is life.

 

[Rasengan]

Both Chinese and Pakistani posters can easily resolve this problem and can uncover the propagandists attempts to cause a wedge between two friendly nations. Pakistani's should first visit China and see how beautiful the country is and then observe the respect they have for Pakistan. In turn Chinese posters should come to Pakistan, where they can experience our hospitality and respect we have for not just the CCP government, but also the Chinese people.

 

[Jlaw]

At least10 times worse than PDF,my person alexperience.Too many people with ulterior motives,distribution of all kinds of strange ideas,came from different interest groups.

Many paid foreigners who can write Chinese pretend to be Chinese to stir shit up. In fact I treat all forums as 99.9% BS

 

[Rasengan]

Many paid foreigners who can write Chinese pretend to be Chinese to stir shit up. In fact I treat all forums as 99.9% BS

A perfect sentence which describes how the internet is a great tool for learning, however propagandist messages are used to confuse people to act wrongly. Best knowledge is always first hand experience.

 

[BigDaddyWatch]

TEA LEAF NATION
China Loves Pakistan … but Most Chinese Don’t
China's pro-Pakistan state media blitz may be more about convincing its own people.

Chinese President Xi Jinping’s first state visit to Pakistan, and the $46 billion infrastructure and energy deal announced between the two countries on April 20, have headlined Chinese state media websites for days. The trade deal is part of China’s ambitious “New Silk Road” strategy to create an economic corridor linking western China with South Asia and the Middle East, and it’s meant to further deepen a bilateral relationship that China is eager to promote. On April 20, state news agency Xinhua characterized the relationship as an “ironclad friendship.” Communist Party mouthpiecePeople’s Daily quoted people on the street in Pakistan exclaiming, “We would rather give up gold than abandon the China-Pakistan friendship,” with the news outlet stating that this was the “heartfelt wish” of the people there. Pakistan’s government, for its part, is no less effusive, with officials there previously having described its relationship with the East Asian giant as “sweeter than honey,” one rising “higher than the Himalayas.” China-Pakistan diplomatic relations have indeed been strong for decades. Pakistan was one of the earliest countries to establish official relations with the People’s Republic of China, in 1951. China is Pakistan’s largest trading partner and its top arms supplier, and in the past decade, the two neighbors have been swift to provide aid to each other after natural disasters.

But quantitative measures of grassroots sentiment between the two countries tell a different story. While Pakistanis view China in an overwhelmingly positive light — a July 2014 Pew Research Center survey found that 78 percent of respondents view China favorably —

Chinese maintain a far less enthusiastic attitude toward their South Asian neighbor; only 30 percent of Chinese view Pakistan favorably.Chinese maintain a far less enthusiastic attitude toward their South Asian neighbor; only 30 percent of Chinese view Pakistan favorably. It’s not clear why Chinese popular opinion of Pakistan is so out of kilter with the two countries’ official relationship. Though most Chinese doacknowledge the close ties between the countries, someview Pakistan as violent, chaotic, and poorly governed. Pakistan shares a 372-mile border with Xinjiang, the northwestern Chinese region home to 10 million Uighurs, a largely Muslim Turkic-speaking minority, a region with sporadic outbreaks of violence between Uighurs and the majority Han population. In August 2011, officials in the region of Kashgar in southern Xinjiang claimed that Uighur militants had received training in Pakistan, and Chinese officials have pressured Pakistan to expel Uighur separatists who may be operating there.


To some in China, when imagining a violent, lawless, or run-down place, Pakistan is what first comes to mind. One young woman, upon returning to her college dorm room in the northern Chinese city of Dalian on an early spring day in 2013, discovered to her shock that the ceiling had caved in. “I thought I had been transported to Pakistan!” she posted on Weibo, a major social platform, along with a picture of the collapsed ceiling. When speculation abounded in April 2014 as to the fate of Malaysian Airlines Flight 370, some were quick to link the plane’s disappearance to Pakistan. “I think it must be related to Islamic extremism,” one Weibo user wrote in a representative comment, adding “The airplane might already be in a place like Pakistan, Afghanistan, or Yemen.” And in China, the general impression of Pakistanis themselves is often little better. A 2013 discussion thread on question-and-answer site Zhihu asked, “What kind of country is Pakistan? Are there a lot of terrorist organizations?” As one user wrote, “The poor people [there] are hooligans; they utter lewd expressions at women on the street.”


The recent flurry of close, floridly worded Chinese affirmations of friendship with Pakistan seem designed not just to cement the official relationship between the two countries, but perhaps also to bring public opinion into closer alignment with the official relationship.The recent flurry of close, floridly worded Chinese affirmations of friendship with Pakistan seem designed not just to cement the official relationship between the two countries, but perhaps also to bring public opinion into closer alignment with the official relationship. On April 21, People’s Daily posted on its Weibo account a playful explainer aimed to help readers “understand in one picture why the China-Pakistan friendship is strong like iron!” The colorful infographic presented key high points in the bilateral relationship (“China was the first country to offer relief during the 2010 flooding in Pakistan!”) and other fun facts demonstrating the closeness of the relationship (“Pakistan hardly even garrisons its borders with China!”).


The Daily’s post prompted many web users to share their positive impressions of China-Pakistan goodwill. One Weibo user in the western city of Chengduwrote on April 21 that he had once run into a Pakistani user on a social media platform. “As soon as I told him I was Chinese, he became so friendly and excited,” wrote the user. The Pakistani user even gave the Chinese man his phone number, and invited him to visit if he ever came to Pakistan. “Only afterwards, when I did an online search, did I realize that the China-Pakistan friendship was so strong and resilient.” Other users recalled important moments in the history of China-Pakistan relations. “Chinese people haven’t forgotten that Pakistan is the country that donated all its tents to China after the Great Sichuan Earthquake,” wrote one Weibo user in a popular comment, referring to the deadly 2008 earthquake in China’s southwest, after which Pakistan donated$2 million worth of emergency aid, including 30,000 tents. In the aftermath of the bloody crackdown on Tiananmen protests in 1989, when China became an international pariah subject to human rights sanctions, Pakistani officials continued to meet with their Chinese counterparts regularly in a move that stood in stark contrast to Western nations at the time. That support has lived long in the Chinese consciousness, with one user marveling, “Now that is true brotherhood.”

Others clearly viewed the China-Pakistan relationship as a creature of geopolitical interest. “China and Pakistan have no border disputes and no historical issues,” wrote a pharmaceutical engineer in Beijing. “Together they face the challenge posed by India; they must have [a relationship of] iron.” A 19-year-old young man in Suzhou framed the relationship in less equal terms, writing of Pakistan, “Without China, India would destroy you.” Others questioned the effusions of friendship, with one user wondering if it would prove as lasting as the much-hailed “China-Soviet friendship” — which ended in the bitter Sino-Soviet split of 1960.

It’s clear that the strong relationship between the two countries is popular, despite the sometimes lackluster sentiment towards Pakistan itself. And it’s a bilateral relationship that isn’t likely to falter any time soon. Back in 2013, Xidescribed the China-Pakistan friendship as an “all-weather strategic partnership,” a phrase repeated frequently during Xi’s recent visit. As an April 21 Xinhua article asserted, with the ironclad friendship’s new agreement, “iron has become steel.”

Yiqin Fu and Shujie Leng contributed research.
China Loves Pakistan … but Most Chinese Don’t | Foreign Policy

This is because the average Chinese inside of China often don't know anything about the world. Pretty much like the Americans. But for those of us who knows the Pakistani's love and respect for China we can be nothing more than 100% pro Pakistan.

This is one example of that in the article.

One Weibo user in the western city of Chengduwrote on April 21 that he had once run into a Pakistani user on a social media platform. “As soon as I told him I was Chinese, he became so friendly and excited,” wrote the user. The Pakistani user even gave the Chinese man his phone number, and invited him to visit if he ever came to Pakistan. “Only afterwards, when I did an online search, did I realize that the China-Pakistan friendship was so strong and resilient.”

 

[BigDaddyWatch]

Chinese are killing Muslims..imposing restrictions on fasting..it is OK with you?

The conflict between India and Pakistan isn't about Islam. Its about the status of Kashmir. Its a nationalistic issue rather than a religious issue. And China is Pakistan's best, greatest and most important partner and ally against India. The Pakistani's here like most people inside of Pakistan and around the world put their country before their religion. Although there maybe a few exception to that.

You want to drive a wedge between China and Pakistan ? Give up Kashmir. Then maybe China Pakistan relations might falter.

 

[Rasengan]

Chinese are killing Muslims..imposing restrictions on fasting..it is OK with you?

Chinese are not imposing restrictions on fasting...this has been discussed countless times in this forum. Children under the age of 16 are not permitted to fast due to education. If the Chinese government does kill terrorists then why exactly should I feel upset. Let me tell you something, if any of these terrorists attack my best friends across China, then I will take a trip there my self and hunt these cockroaches.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Lool interesting debate going on here.

As many know I already said it before, Pakistan will have a hard time maintaining its alliance with China, WHY? Simple answer : RELIGION.
Most Middle Eastern /Muslim countries always put religion first (especially the people) so obviously there are many Pakistani who sympathise with their 'oppressed ' Muslim uygurs brothers , just like Pakistan's best friend Turkey does as well. religion to most of these people comes first before even their own country much less national interests.
So China as i said before ought to be very careful in it's dealings with these countries. For if there were not elements in Pakistan who sympathise with uygur terrorists and East Turkestan movement there is no way some of their members (even the head of ETIM) will have found sanctuary in Pakistan and Afghanistan. this doesn't necessarily means the Pakistani government is supporting these groups, but the Pakistani government unfortunately doesn't have control of the whole country as there are regions where militant and terror groups reign supreme like the tribal regions, so it's difficult for the government to stamp out these extremists once and for all. Their government and army has been trying though, having suffered tend of thousands of deaths at the hands of fighting these terrorists. So as we can see , if we use some people's reasoning /logic, Pakistan is also oppressing it's Muslim's peopulation reason they have taken arms against the state/country. LMAO

I NEVER CONDONE terrorism, doesnt matter whether it's in China, Russia, Europe, Yemen, U. S etc. I condemn it, and I don't like listening to excuses SOME of these terror groups Muslim sympathisers(especially when it happens in a non Muslim country where Muslim are involved) use to justify these acts, saying its because these Muslim terrorists ate being oppressed by the government (funny thing is that these Muslim terrorist sympathisers never say the same thing when these same terrorists strike and kill their own people in their own Muslim countries. Loool )

Anyway RIP the the innocent policemen death. Such is life.

China First ====> Collide <======= Muslim First.

There is inheritant contradiction that Pakistan has to resolve as drawn by me above. The Chinese ( rightly ) expect any citizen to put their country first. This is also applies to otrher countries where Muslims are migrants. However lot of the West is sophisticated in how it handles this conntradiction - well frankly it allows this contradiction to a large extent. However those oposing forces are always there and the cause of so much of the Muslim communities to fail to integrate into mainstream societies.

However in case of China she is vehemantly secularist and furthermore brooks no doubts. It is absolute. Either your are you put China first or be Muslim first. It is brutal and binary about it. This contradicts with the our Islamists in Pakistan who have swamped us.

I am rather excited about this. I know that Pakistan and China are and will be strategic partners. There is no doubt about this and there is no way around this. Pakistan and China because of geography and geopolotics are going to be chums. The recent Chinese plan to invest $46 billion in CPEC is proof of that. That is larger investment then our Cold War ally US did in the last 40 years.

Now the reason I am excited is as the inevitable strategic relationship between Pak/China moves forward there is going to be the annoying Islamist coming in the way. That problem will come to the fore more and more. It already is as is evidenced by some muppet Pakistani's here preaching the Chinese how to handle their Uyghur Muslims.

Therefore for this inevitable Pak/China strategic relationship to move forward will force Pakistan to rein in it;s Islamists and at the same time make some minds in Pakistan rethink their views on secularism. Because if we do not selove this issue that I highlighted at the begining of this post we will continue having problems with China and expect when mighty China puts pressure on us we might begin to change.

Much as the Afghan war in the 1980s and the US supported Saudi financed war in that country to defeat Soviet Union brought the Islamist to the fore I am hoping this "China Syndrome" will put the genie in the bottle over the long term.

We live in interesting times ....

 

[VCheng]

China First ====> Collide <======= Muslim First.

There is inheritant contradiction that Pakistan has to resolve as drawn by me above.

That inherent contradiction is true for just about every country, not just China.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

That inherent contradiction is true for just about every country, not just China.

Of course but the rest have been trashed as "Kaffir" or "enemy" or "evil" but China is held in high esteem by our people. So let us sit back and see how they reconcile with a virulently secular China ....

Seeing that the army is about to raise an entire division which ought be called "China Gaurds Division" to safegaurd the expected deluge of Chinese heathen workers in Pakistan to build the CPEC we already have taster of the future ....

Soon our Chinese brothers are going to find the most dangerous place for them will be the one that has "love higher then Himalyas" .....

Still they will have "China Gaurds Division" flanking them ...