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The idea was too far fetched to begin with. brainstorm, brainstorm...
Giant fans to blow clouds over the desert and then launch silver iodide crystals to induce rain....
Interplanetary ships harvest ice from other planets and bring back the water....
Giant dome over the desert to hold in moisture....
pipe in sea water in a really, really, really long pipe and flood the desert with salt water.....


On a serious note,
To stop the encroaching desert, durable plant life is needed to hold the topsoil together. Why not send people on death row to work 364 days of the year, every year planting and fighting the blight? This way, they dont have to die and at the same time get to redeem themselves in a worthwhile way.
 
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There's a limit to what even china can do.
Guess they just have to go for the slow approach, plant more pine trees and fight the desert.

No there is no kidding

Aside from this even thinking & planning for such a large project is an achievement
Hope we learn from you in this context
 
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China water map, there must be a better way to bring some water to Taklamakan from Tibet.



If I remember there was talk of diverting water from Tibet to Xinjiang from the Yarlung .
Planting more trees in Xinjiang similar to the Gobi project is always an option it would help the environment and possible water from Tibet.
 
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Sixty years ago the forest coverage of China was 8%. Through some effective policies, tremendous industry, hardship and heroism as demonstrated by a lot of brilliant People in China, the present forest coverage is 20%.

The Phoenix TV started a program 《穿越风沙带》"through the sandy line" tracking the efforts of those brilliant individuals and villages 12 years ago on their arduous tasks in tackling the encroachment of massive desertification along the most hostile terrains and deserts of 《三北风沙带》“the northern sandy belt".

Early in 2012, they (Phoenix TV) revisited the same route and with the assistance of the State Forestry Administration, PRC. During the project which lasted for a year, they have captured and showed them frame by frame some amazing development of the dry deadly deserts into luxuriant lively grassland and forests in the weekly program 《大地寻梦》(da di xunmeng). The last episode of the show completed its broadcast on Dec 29, 2012.

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Here is a synosis of the TV project 《大地寻梦》(da di xunmeng) from Baidu:

凤凰卫视中文台策划为期一年的专题纪录片节目《大地寻梦》,本片将围绕中国林业几十年来的发展历程,以十年前纪录片《穿越风沙线》为基础,用镜头记录中国森林、河流、沙漠环境现状。凤凰卫视《大地寻梦》为您解读森林之源,探讨民族文化复兴的大地之路。
这是一份行走中国,关注森林现状的山水档案。这是一部思考人类生存状态的警示录。这是一部山定权,树定根,人定心,林业改革的绿皮书。这是一部记载林业职工保护森林的责任状。凤凰卫视《大地寻梦》带您直击中国环境现状。
以中国版图一横一纵为坐标,将镜头触及到中国森林与乡村。从南中国滨海山林的林改到北部的沙漠治理——凤凰卫视2012年再次出发,重走风沙线,关注林改,关注中国:大森林,你好吗?

Phoenix Chinese Channel planning a year's feature documentary program "land of dreams", the film will focus on the course of development in China for decades forestry Ten years ago the documentary "through the sandy line" basis, used the camera to record the Chinese forestrivers, the desert state of the environment. Phoenix, "land of dreams" for your interpretation of the source of the forest, the to explore national cultural revival Earth Road.
This is a walking, concerned about the landscape of the forest status file. This is a warning recorded in thinking about the state of human existence. This is a mountain given the right to be the root tree, one centering, Forestry Reform Green Paper. This is a record like the responsibility for forestry workers to the protection of forests. Phoenix, "land of dreams" Watch China's environmental situation.
Chinese territory of one horizontal and one vertical coordinates of the lens touched the forests and villages. Forest tenure reform from the coastal mountains of southern China to the northern desert governance - Phoenix TV again starting in 2012, and re-take the sand line concern of forestry reform, concerned about China: large forest, how are you?

《大地寻梦》Baidu

Google translation

The first episode debuted on January 6 and the next espisodes ran up to Feb 2012:

《大地寻梦》The first episode on January 6 to Feb 2012

Click on the date of the program which you are interested in viewing:

ifeng.com《大地寻梦》Feb 18 to Jun 02, 2012

ifeng.com《大地寻梦》 From Jun 09 to Dec 29, 2012
 
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Water diversion from Bohai to Xinjiang is possible in the future.
 
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Tibetan plateau is one of the biggest water reservoirs in the world and that region is the original source of many Asian big rivers,all China need to do is to divert some rivers from Tibet to Xinjiang,that'll be much easier due to the proximity of those two provinces.

Tibetan plateau is, in indeed, water-rich and is Asia's principal watershed. It is the source of about dozen major rivers, including the Yarlung Tsangpo (or Brahmaputra), Sutlej and Indus. Countries like China, India, Bangladesh, Nepal, Pakistan, Thailand, Myanmar, Laos, Cambodia and Vietnam depend on the waters of the rivers flowing from the “rooftop of the world”. Thus, about half of world’s population is supported by the Tibetan glaciers. But the heat of global warming is threatening the well being of glaciers sustaining the rivers there.

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The Tibetan Plateau – a source for Asia’s Rivers
 
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Diversion rivers in China: moving water from Tibet to Xinjiang

The zeal for engineering China’s rivers continues unabated among hydrologists. But will the latest proposal – to move water from Tibet to Xinjiang

Chinese scientists have dreamed up yet another mega engineering scheme: to divert water from Tibet’s Yarlung Zangbo River, along a course that follows the Tibet-Qinghai railway line to Golmud, through the Gansu Corridor and, finally, to Xinjiang, in north-west China.

The man behind the proposal is Wang Guangqian, an academic at the Chinese Academy of Sciences and director of Tsinghua University’s State Key Laboratory of Hydroscience and Engineering. Although the Ministry of Water Resources has not given its support to the scheme, Wang insists it is “feasible”.

On June 3, Wang revealed that the authorities are considering a water-diversion plan for western China. He told reporters that, the previous day, Li Ruihuan – former member of the standing committee of the Political Bureau and chair of the Chinese People’s Political Consultative Conference (CPPCC) – had gathered Wang and others together to give and listen to presentations on the proposal. He said that everyone there was in agreement: “It is time for a water-diversion project in western China.”

It has previously been suggested that such a project could move 200 billion cubic metres of water a year – the equivalent of four Yellow Rivers. It would require core project finance of more than 200 billion yuan (US$30.9 billion) and be “an unprecedented undertaking in the history of the Chinese people.”

As to why it’s necessary, Wang explained that water usage has dramatically increased as a result of social and economic development on the lower reaches of the Yangtze River and Yellow River. Climate change and other factors are driving desertification, while water coming from the upper reaches of those rivers is decreasing (for more information on threats to the quality and supply of water in this region posed by factors including glacier-melt in the Himalayas, see chinadialogue’s report “The Waters of the Third Pole: Sources of Threat, Sources of Survival”). A survey by the Cold and Arid Regions Environmental and Engineering Institute found that, since the 1980s, the quantity of water flowing from the Yellow River above the city of Lanzhou, in north-western China, has fallen by an average of 13% a year. In 2002, it dropped 46%.

In addition, grain-growing regions such as Henan in central China and Xinjiang in the north-west rely on large quantities of groundwater. To date, almost all major cities in a region bounded by Harbin to the north, Urumqi to the north-west, Shanghai to the east and Haikou to the south, have experienced subsidence due to groundwater extraction. “There’s no way that situation is sustainable,” said Wang. “But there is still potential to exploit the more plentiful water resources of the south-west.”

Figures from the Chinese Academy of Sciences show that rivers on the Qinghai-Tibet and Yunnan-Guizhou plateaus, including the Yarlung Zangbo, Nu and Lancang, carry between 637 billion cubic metres and 810 billion cubic metres of water out of China each year. Because little of the water in these rivers is used within China’s borders, most of it flows on to India and south-east Asia – where they become the Brahmaputra, Salween and Mekong, respectively.

Wang’s proposal is distinct from the South-North Water Transfer Project, another mega infrastructure scheme approved by the State Council in December 2002. Under that plan, a “western route” would “bring water from the Tongtian, Yalong and Dadu tributaries of the upper Yangtze to the Yellow River,” in order to relieve water shortages in the regions of Qinghai, Gansu and Ningxia.

However, I understand from the State Council’s South-North Water Transfer project office that, so far, no concrete plans have been formulated for the western route. Speaking at a party meeting on May 13, the head of that office, E Jingping, said: “There is currently a significant gap between preliminary work being done on the project and actual requirements. In particular, much more work is needed to explain the necessity, importance and feasibility of the project in the context of national sustainable development.”

Wang Guangqian stated that the idea for his proposal – dubbed the Major Western Route – came from independent water-resources expert Guo Kai, and has many supporters. “Everybody gets really excited when they hear about it,” he said.

Guo Kai told me the project name was originally chosen to distinguish the scheme from the western route of the South-North Water Transfer project. He came up with the idea as early as 1990: take 201 billion cubic metres of water every year from the Yarlung Zangbo, divert it through the Nu, Nancang, Jinsha, Yalong and Dadu rivers, over the Aba watershed and into the Yellow River. Guo believes this project would not only ease water shortages in the north of China, but also transform desert landscapes, increase farmland, provide power and create jobs.

“It would only take five to eight years to build, and cost 225 billion yuan [US$34.7 billion] in 1997 terms,” Guo said, adding that the Yarlung Zangbo, Nu River and Lancang River are capable of providing some 380 billion cubic metres of water annually – more than enough to cover the 206 billion cubic metres required each year by the project.

Zhao Nanqi, former CPPCC vice-chair, is a keen advocate of Guo’s idea. “Guo Kai’s proposal for the Major Western Route has given us inspiration and hope,” he said.

China’s 12th Five-Year Plan, released in March, includes improving the movement of water resources between north and south and east and west, and between rivers and reservoirs, building cross-basin water-diversion projects and improving access to water both in the north and the south.

Several different water-diversion projects for the west of China are under discussion. Besides the two plans outlined above, former member of the Yangtze River Commission Lin Yishan has proposed a “Major Western Route Water Diversion”; Chen Chuanyou of the Chinese Academy of Sciences’ Natural Resources Institute has put forward the “Tibetan Water for the North” scheme, while the Guiyang Hydropower Investigation Research and Design Institute is investigating its own “Major Western Route”. The list goes on. All of these aim to move large quantities of water from the Qinghai-Tibet plateau to the west and north of China.

Wang Guangqian’s team is understood to be working with the South-North Water Transfer office to organise a feasibility study of their proposal.

Li Ling, author of Tibet’s Water Will Save China, has long been following these proposals. He said that the Institute of Advanced Technology at the Chinese Academy of Sciences is using supercomputers and data modelling to simulate the Major Western Route and evaluate its feasibility.

“National leaders only decided to go ahead with the Three Gorges Dam and projects on the Irtysh River, Ili River and Tarim River after seeing data-modelling and three-dimensional imaging that demonstrated their feasibility,” explained Li. He added that an initial simulation of the proposal has already been produced in Shenzhen, south China, but limitations in the data used to create it means it cannot be made public.

Li believes that the technological and engineering experience gained from constructing the Qinghai-Tibet railway – which involved challenges such as building on permafrost and working for many years in low-oxygen environments and environmentally vulnerable regions – will help to solve many of the problems presented by the Major Western Route. Building the railway cost 2 billion yuan (US$308 million) in environmental protection alone.

“If you can successfully build a railway between 4,500 metres and 5,072 metres above sea level, building the Major Western Route at 3,588 metres to 3,366 metres is not going to be a problem,” said Li.

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The Tibetan Plateau – a source for Asia’s Rivers
 
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@beijingwalker Indus is shown as Satluj and Satluj is shown as Indus in the map.
 
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Once the project finished ,the Takla Makan Desert and Tarim Basin will become vast grassland even forest,that'll be a huge boon to Xinjiang as well as whole China.
 
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This will definitely greatly benefit China on the long term, especially since the harsh terrains of western China and the dry Northeast will be more livable which can allow China's population to spread out more, instead of just congesting in Central China and the East coast. :china:

Any information on when the project commence?
 
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This will definitely greatly benefit China on the long term, especially since the harsh terrains of western China and the dry Northeast will be more livable which can allow China's population to spread out more, instead of just congesting in Central China and the East coast. :china:

Any information on when the project commence?

It's still just a plan,cause if we really do it,that may cause huge drought in some part of India and south eastern Asian countries,which can lead to big famine there.and also it may be considered as military provacation.

When China dammed the Mekong, the largest river flowing into Southeast Asia, Thailand, Vietnam, Cambodia and Laos all called for greater cooperation to prevent droughts and floods. China also plans a dam in Tibet on the Yarlung Zangbo, the highest major river in the world, which flows into India as the Brahmaputra.

The project would give Beijing control of the water supply to more than 90,000 sq km of land controlled by India while China claims sovereignty.
 
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Damming is jus to control the amount of the flow,but diversion of the rivers means completely cut them off and make them flow somewhere else,that'll have a dramatic impact on the regions downstream.
 
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That's why many experts say that Tibet is the lifeline of Asian countries
Catriona Luke: China Will Have Mastery of Asia's Water Tap by 2020
whoever controls the faucet of Asia controls the future.Turning it off amounts to nuclear attack if not worse.

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