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Damming is jus to control the amount of the flow,but diversion of the rivers means completely cut them off and make them flow somewhere else,that'll have a dramatic impact on the regions downstream.

true, it may not have much impact on India bcoz that area receives one of the highest rainfall in the world n its not a densely populated area but it will definitely have drastic impact on BD as its like ur cutting their 50% water supply:agree:

Besides diversion of such a important river will be against International Law...:)
 
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We've already got a lot of bombardment before we even start

Dammed Tibet - Extracting Wealth and Power from the World’s Biggest Water Tank
Wed, January 16, 2013 | By: Hank Pellissier
Did China conquer the Himalayan theocracy to “liberate the peasants”? No. Was it lust for Tibet’s agricultural land? No, only 0.3% is arable. Minerals? Getting closer. What’s critically valuable on the “roof of the world”? Three syllables: H20

Tibet has more freshwater - aka “blue gold” - than any place on the planet, except the North and South Poles. Averaging 11,000 feet in altitude, Tibet contains 1,000 lakes and an enormous freezer of snow in the sky-scraping Himalayas. Melted, it’s the wellspring for seven monstrous rivers: the Yangtze, the Yellow, the Indus, the Mekong, the Ganges, the Brahmaputra, and the Salween.

Rivers are the critical life-blood of humanity, essential for hydration, irrigation, and industry. Possession of Tibet gives China a stranglehold on the arteries of South Asia, where nearly 2 billion people reside in India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Vietnam, Cambodia, Thailand, Laos, and Burma.

Mega-dams are easily built by China - they constructed the world’s largest at Three Rivers Gorge. They’ve erected a staggering 28,500 large dams, and 80,000 total, the most in the world. Hydropower is the initial intent of Chinese dams in the Himalayas (90% of rural Tibet will have electricity by 2015), but water diversion is tempting for the thirsty population of 1.3 billon. Although China has 20% of the world’s population, it’s only got 7% of the fresh water supply.

Thirteen provinces of China have suffered drought since 2010 and vast regions are habitually parched, like the sprawling Xinjiang in the northwest. Could pipelines from Tibet lead to faucets in distant reaches of the Middle Kingdom? Li Ling, author of Tibet’s Water Will Save China, believes it is essential for China’s future.

Michael Buckley - producer of the “Meltdown in Tibet” documentary - notes that, “60% of Chinese leadership… have an engineering background and many have vested interests in damming companies.” What are their intentions? India Today reports that “the dragons” are “gung-ho on [the] $62 billion South-North Water Transfer Project. It aims to divert 44.8 billion cubic meter water per year from southern China to the Yellow River basin in arid northern China.” Several different water-diversion projects are under discussion.

Below is a brief report on five major “international rivers” that have headwaters in Tibet:

Indus River - In 2009, British journalist Alice Albina - author of Empires of the Indus - discovered that China was secretly building a huge dam on an Indus tributary, at Senge-Ali, in Western Tibet. This caused only a tiny flap in the extremely tight relationship between the two nations. Two years later, China’s Three Gorges Project Corporation proposed a $15 billion plan to Pakistan, on Pakistani soil, that would block the Indus River at numerous points. The dams would control the devastating floods that regularly wash through Pakistan, and they’d provide much-needed hydroelectricity, enabling Pakistan to develop its gas, oil, and coal resources. The generosity of the Chinese offer typifies the alliance - China is Pakistan’s biggest arms supplier, third-largest trad*ing partner, it supported Pakistan’s war against India in 1965, and it assists Pakistan’s civilian nuclear program. All this frustrates and alarms India, of course. Will the dams on the Indus give China leverage over Pakistan, if their coziness ever sours? 92% of Pakistan is is dependent on the Indus River system, with 50% of its population employed in agriculture.

Mekong River - The Mekong is the longest river in SE Asia, winding 4,880 kilometers to the South China Sea. China is building eight dams here - the first, at Manwan, was constructed without consulting neighbors downstream. 60 million people depend on the river for food; particularly at risk are fish stocks in Cambodia’s huge Tonle Sap lake, and the rice bowl of Vietnam’s Mekong Delta. China’s fourth Mekong dam, at Xiaowan, is the world’s tallest at 292 meters. The Mekong is also the second-most bio-diverse river on the planet, trailing only the Amazon. 781 species of freshwater fish paddle here, including a giant catfish that can grow to be as long as a car.



Ganges River - Tibet provides major tributaries for the Ganges, the world’s most densely populated riverine area. Revered as “Mother Ganges” in India, it is even more important to Bangladesh, where it enters the Bay of Bengal in the world’s largest delta. Two-thirds of all Bangladeshis farm and fish here on the fertile floodplains. Presently, there are only two dams on the Ganges, both in India. Any construction by China that sabotaged the flow of this holy-but-horribly-polluted river would be greeted with downstream wrath.

Salween River - This 2,815 kilometers long river flows through China, Burma and Thailand into the Andaman Sea. Called the Nu (“Angry River”) in Mandarin, this swift, beautiful watercourse traverses a “Grand Canyon of the Orient” that is 4,500 meters deep. A United Nations assessment described its region as ‘maybe the most biologically diverse temperate eco-system in the world’ with 80 endangered species, including snow leopards and snub-nosed monkeys. When China announced 13 dams would be constructed on the Salween, vigorous campaigning by Chinese activists resulted, amazing because opposition to Beijing often ends in jail sentences. China is also helping its ally Burma build dams in its northern regions; these constructions are vilified because they threaten ethnic tribes like the Shan and Karenni. Salween Watch

Brahmaputra River - Last but most important is the Brahmaputra, named after the Hindu god of creation. China - after vigorous denials for a more than a decade - intends to build 28 dams on the Brahmaputra, to the consternation of India and Bangladesh. Chinese designs include the utilization of “peaceful nuclear explosions” and constructing a station with 2X the hydro-power of Three Gorges Dam. One proposal aims to transport Brahmanputra water from Shuomatan, Tibet, to the city of Tianjin on China’s northeast coast via a “Shuotian Canal.” Boosters believe this would solve China’s demand for more water, electricity, grain and oil, and alleviate pollution. But… would it impact downstream flow to India, which relies on the river for 30% of its freshwater? China offers assurances, but Indian concern is justified.

:china:

I SUPPORT MAKING INDIA & BD A DESERT :tup:

GO CHINA!!!

No,we definitely won't.there are many small rivers and lakes we can use in Tibet,we don't like to be branded as a global villain
 
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China will divert Indus, good for both of you. :D

We won't do that,there are many other choices for China in Tibet.and China diverts water to Xinjaing with the intention of helping local people,not hurting downstream people.so all future pojects will be done based on this principle.Tibet is big enough to give everyone their share of water.
 
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The Himalaya waters could be roughly devided into two waters, one runs down eastwards to Chinese provinces, and the other flows down southwards to India and Burma. The water diversion project must have been on the table for at least 20 years. It meant to divert the eastern waters mainly into Gansu plateau. However the cost/benefit issues and environmental risks are not completely determined. I personally hope that it would never happen.
 
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The Himalaya waters could be roughly devided into two waters, one runs down eastwards to Chinese provinces, and the other flows down southwards to India and Burma. The water diversion project must have been on the table for at least 20 years. It meant to divert the eastern waters mainly into Gansu plateau. However the cost/benefit issues and environmental risks are not completely determined. I personally hope that it would never happen.

with modern technology and engineering,it won't take that long.
“It would only take five to eight years to build, and cost 225 billion yuan [US$34.7 billion]
 
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It still can cause huge flood in rainy season and drought in dry season.

lets be practical China cannot divert the whole of the river but lets say it diverted a significant amount of water but how will that result in floods u genius...:what:

Brahmaputra keep flooding now n then in rainy season but less water would mean less or no floods even in rainy season n bcoz of heavy rainfall droughts cannot happen. But such a move will affect the routine life, animals n plantation.

In such a situation India will retain most of the water it'll have but ur this move will definitely convert half of BD into a waste land...:)
 
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lets be practical China cannot divert the whole of the river but lets say it diverted a significant amount of water but how will that result in floods u genius...:what:

Brahmaputra keep flooding now n then in rainy season but less water would mean less or no floods even in rainy season n bcoz of heavy rainfall droughts cannot happen. But such a move will affect the routine life, animals n plantation.

In such a situation India will retain most of the water it'll have but ur this move will definitely convert half of BD into a waste land...:)

As my previous video, India Inter link river will make BD waste land eventually soon or later, as the Indian guys on video said,"it can't flood by It can dry"...so might as well to dry India north eastern section.
 
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As my previous video, India Inter link river will make BD waste land eventually soon or later, as the Indian guys on video said,"it can't flood by It can dry"...so might as well to dry India north eastern section.

Indian water linking project is reality n it won't turn BD into a wasteland but may reduce its annual water supplies while ur project is a pipe dream n will remain same in fore foreseeable future...:)

n if it ever try to come near reality then BD will definitely turn into wasteland.

PS- As far as droughts r concerned in NE
Cherrapunji - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
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Stick to the topic please, and don't troll I have given several members infractions next time it is a ban.
 
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Tibet is the great water tower of Asia:

The Water Tower Function of the Tibetan Autonomous Region « FutureWater

Many downstream countries depend on this regional water. No individual country has the unilateral right to management of this water. Unless this water is managed with the whole region in mind, it will create ecological and humanitarian disasters.

Indian river linking project and water diversion to Xinjiang both need to address regional concerns before getting go ahead from national govt.
 
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Tibet is the great water tower of Asia:

The Water Tower Function of the Tibetan Autonomous Region « FutureWater

Many downstream countries depend on this regional water. No individual country has the unilateral right to management of this water. Unless this water is managed with the whole region in mind, it will create ecological and humanitarian disasters.

Indian river linking project and water diversion to Xinjiang both need to address regional concerns before getting go ahead from national govt.

I fully agree..this is just an Idea, still a very long way to get approved. Even if China want to divert some water from Tibet, it should chose the ones that is not affect downstream such India, BD or the rest. Maybe create artificial canal with nuclear plan to melt those icy snow is also an Idea.
 
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I fully agree..this is just an Idea, still a very long way to get approved. Even if China want to divert some water from Tibet, it should chose the ones that is not affect downstream such India, BD or the rest. Maybe create artificial canal with nuclear plan to melt those icy snow is also an Idea.

Don't you think melting the ice will harm the ecosystem. For India only concern is Brahmaputra river although North-East India recieve highest rainfall in the world very suitable for growing Tea.
 
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Don't you think melting the ice will harm the ecosystem. For India only concern is Brahmaputra river although North-East India recieve highest rainfall in the world very suitable for growing Tea.

How it could harm the ecosystem when we take icy snow from those rocky mountains? as long as we manage to get any water that is not affecting downstream...we're OK.
 
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How it could harm the ecosystem when we take icy snow from those rocky mountains? as long as we manage to get any water that is not affecting downstream...we're OK.

Melting ice will ruin the ecosystem, world already worried about vanishing glaciers. Only possible way is to divert some water
 
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