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Xi Jinping reshuffles, scolds PLA brass amid stand-off with India

You quoted wrong posted Dear. No where I am talking about journalism. My post is based on the article in Bejing Post whose link is posted in one of the reply.

No where I am advocating the ethics of Indian journalism nor I am interested in defaming yours journalist limited access to world news.

Re-read my post and then re-quote me within the context of the news

Integrity of journalism meaning fair and accurate reporting, which your so called, free media, failed to deliver.

Reading between the lines are meant for books and comprehension test.

If you're too daft to understand the difference, let me remind you PLA are still camping in Ladakh!!
 
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Integrity of journalism meaning fair and accurate reporting, which your so called, free media, failed to deliver.

Reading between the lines are meant for books and comprehension test.

If you're too daft to understand the difference, let me remind you PLA are still camping in Ladakh!!
So you searched for its meaning ..hmm now search for 'professional integrity of journalism'..
Your pla had a nice sleep in all these decades and it now suddenly woken up ? History is full of misadventures and nature always maintains equilibrium ..If this is the way then let it be so
 
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Integrity of journalism meaning fair and accurate reporting, which your so called, free media, failed to deliver.

You have a rather shallow grasp of what "free" means. But then that is not surprising, given where you live.

"Free" does not mean fair or accurate. In fact, quite the opposite - free means one is free to say whatever one wants, truth or lies, fair or unfair, objective or biased.

But when such freedom is allowed for everybody, then by mathematical probability, the truth will come out. Because if one media house is biased one way, another media house will be biased another way. And in the marketplace of ideas, the truth will eventually prevail. Or as India's official motto says, "Satyameva Jayate."

In the US or in Britain or in France there is a lot more media freedom than in China or even India - and yet, I can show you highly biased and unobjective media sources from those places. But all said and done, people there have the chance to make up their own minds, because every viewpoint is available to them.

In India too, although there may be many jingoistic publications, there are as many, if not more contrarian ones. No journalist would get jailed for going against the official party narrative.
 
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Independent media =/= credible media. Case in point: the world renowned Indian media.
And is censored media = credible media?

IMO, you really are in no position to berate any other Nation's media, save your own. But I guess you aren't allowed to do that either. :lol:
 
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You have a rather shallow grasp of what "free" means. But then that is not surprising, given where you live.

"Free" does not mean fair or accurate. In fact, quite the opposite - free means one is free to say whatever one wants, truth or lies, fair or unfair, objective or biased.

But when such freedom is allowed for everybody, then by mathematical probability, the truth will come out. Because if one media house is biased one way, another media house will be biased another way. And in the marketplace of ideas, the truth will eventually prevail. Or as India's official motto says, "Satyameva Jayate."

In the US or in Britain or in France there is a lot more media freedom than in China or even India - and yet, I can show you highly biased and unobjective media sources from those places. But all said and done, people there have the chance to make up their own minds, because every viewpoint is available to them.

In India too, although there may be many jingoistic publications, there are as many, if not more contrarian ones. No journalist would get jailed for going against the official party narrative.


Coming from a country where free media = junk media, I won't fault you for you've poor understanding of the term.

"Free" does not mean one is free to say whatever one wants, lies or what not. Free media requires a proper regulation to ensure professionalism. Likewise, freedom of speech too requires qualification, otherwise defamation law wouldn't exist.

In the US and Europe, their free media is simply more credible due to higher regulatory standard, not because it is more free. of course, there will be biased reports too, but they're not going to "fabricate" news, like TOI did.

In India, there is simply no regulatory framework for its media.

And is censored media = credible media?

IMO, you really are in no position to berate any other Nation's media, save your own. But I guess you aren't allowed to do that either. :lol:

Good regulatory body ensures "credible" media, censorship or not.

We can do more than you ever imagine.
 
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After being utterly humiliated by PLA in Chumar, Indians apply emergency first-aid self-delusion to stop the inferiority burning. So they will do an assclown performance for a few more days and then start feeling inferior again when self-delusion is shattered.

So you accept your top military brass is corrupt and needs a purge? ha speaks volume of the people who run your armed forces.
 
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seriously,,can we please drop this free media offtopic chit chat....
will any chinese member here clarify why premiere Xi is asking for 'absolute loyality' and 'firm faith' in CCP from PLA headquarters?
I mean,whats going on,,,why this talk about strict discipline regarding PLA and reasserting himself at the top of the chain of command?
all this could have been passed on discreetly to the PLA,but why making it public?
@Nihonjin1051
Chinese posters went mum,,,do u know anythng about this
 
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Coming from a country where free media = junk media, I won't fault you for you've poor understanding of the term.

Well it's still better than what you have - the grorious party controlling what you can see or hear. If it wasn't for the internet, you would still be singing odes to Mao and the cultural revolution.
Free" does not mean one is free to say whatever one wants, lies or what not.

Actually it does. Free means one is free to do what one wants to - not what the grorious party wants one to. "You are free to choose an colour you want, as long as it is black." is not freedom, it is the opposite.

Free media requires a proper regulation to ensure professionalism. Likewise, freedom of speech too requires qualification, otherwise defamation law wouldn't exist.

Defamation law is a curb on freedom - as is any law. Yes, read this carefully - any law is a restriction on freedom. The law against murder takes away my freedom to murder. The point is that we need as few laws as possible to have a healthy society, and no more. So there needs to be a law against murder, and a law against theft. But there should be no laws to "ensure professionalism", just as there should be no laws to "ensure piety" (like in muslim countries) or a law to ensure good fashion sense in attire.

As far as media freedoms are concerned, they ought to have complete freedom, with the restriction that they cannot defame individuals - the defamation law which you mentioned. And defamation law is very specific in places where it exists - something called "absence of malice" is a defence against charges of defamation. Without getting into legalese, I'll just say this - a newspaper editorial going against the 'grorious party's' position is not a crime. Nor is an opinion piece asking for an end to communism and full commitment to free market economics (which most of your people want, which has given you prosperity in the past 30 years, which even your leaders know to be right, and yet the official party line is against). A media publication against the government's functioning is also not a crime - it is a boon. In your country, any media not toeing the govt line is liable to prosecution. Searching for the incidents that happened in 1989 in Tiannamen square will get you nowhere, if you are in China.

If your grorious party allows you, go through this link:

Propaganda in the People's Republic of China - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In the US and Europe, their free media is simply more credible due to higher regulatory standard, not because it is more free. of course, there will be biased reports too, but they're not going to "fabricate" news, like TOI did.
In India, there is simply no regulatory framework for its media.

You are completely, thoroughly wrong on that. It is in India that newspapers are more likely to get in trouble than the US or western Europe. There is much more regulation in India than in those places. You can find not only biased news, but also completely dishonest news from American or European media. But because everybody can report news, the truth eventually prevails.

And yes, there is very strict regulation for the media in India, compared to Europe or North America. Although not the kind of censorship that prevails in China.
 
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Making curse to a national leader, only by the Indian members.

Have you ever seen the Chinese members here making such vicious comment?

BTW, you will be reported.
Imo chine are more vicious than indians (regarding india china situations.)
By @DragonEmpire
Let our thermonuclear fire vaporize the defecators. Hear them cry for their Hindu dieties to save them.


Source: NYT: Modi Pushes Xi to Resolve Border Issue in Kashmir | Page 2

Give Modi the gift of 100 severed heads of his soldiers!

Source: Chinese soldiers surround Indian Soldiers in Chumur area in Ladhakh, media reports | Page 7
 
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There is deep levels of corruption within the PLA ranks and the military in general it goes all the way to the top and even the Chinese masses have little knowledge on what really goes on inside the commu red brigade. There seems to be some sort of crisis occurring in China but it is well hidden to the general public and this is one example of that.
 
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Well it's still better than what you have - the grorious party controlling what you can see or hear. If it wasn't for the internet, you would still be singing odes to Mao and the cultural revolution.

When major mainstream media can fabricate an article like this, your media standard is certainly worse than ours.
Mao era was 30 years ago, pull yourself out of the cave.
Actually it does. Free means one is free to do what one wants to - not what the grorious party wants one to. "You are free to choose an colour you want, as long as it is black." is not freedom, it is the opposite.

Fallacy. You're only as free as the law permits. Even in the land of freedom, US of A, free doesn't mean complete freedom. You're not free to go naked as you wish. In some countries you can.

That automobile company is American. So much for freedom of choice!
Defamation law is a curb on freedom - as is any law. Yes, read this carefully - any law is a restriction on freedom. The law against murder takes away my freedom to murder. The point is that we need as few laws as possible to have a healthy society, and no more. So there needs to be a law against murder, and a law against theft. But there should be no laws to "ensure professionalism", just as there should be no laws to "ensure piety" (like in muslim countries) or a law to ensure good fashion sense in attire.

There's no such thing as professionalism in piety or fashion sense. These are personal choices.

As far as media freedoms are concerned, they ought to have complete freedom, with the restriction that they cannot defame individuals - the defamation law which you mentioned. And defamation law is very specific in places where it exists - something called "absence of malice" is a defence against charges of defamation. Without getting into legalese, I'll just say this - a newspaper editorial going against the 'grorious party's' position is not a crime. Nor is an opinion piece asking for an end to communism and full commitment to free market economics (which most of your people want, which has given you prosperity in the past 30 years, which even your leaders know to be right, and yet the official party line is against). A media publication against the government's functioning is also not a crime - it is a boon. In your country, any media not toeing the govt line is liable to prosecution. Searching for the incidents that happened in 1989 in Tiannamen square will get you nowhere, if you are in China.

If your grorious party allows you, go through this link:

Propaganda in the People's Republic of China - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Defamation is just an example. The point is, regulatory law is required to ensure professionalism. Every industry has a regulatory body, from financial to medical. It's a question of how good the regulatory body is. In India, media regulation simply doesn't exist!!!

Censorship and professionalism are independent of each other. You can have little censorship and no professionalism, like India media. Or some censorship with good professionalism, like China's.

Quoting Wikipedia ? Joining Club 82?

Every country has some sort of political censorship, yours is no exemption.
India Bans Movie on Indira Gandhi's Assassination - NBC News

Many books of political and religious content were banned in India too.

You are completely, thoroughly wrong on that. It is in India that newspapers are more likely to get in trouble than the US or western Europe. There is much more regulation in India than in those places. You can find not only biased news, but also completely dishonest news from American or European media. But because everybody can report news, the truth eventually prevails.

And yes, there is very strict regulation for the media in India, compared to Europe or North America. Although not the kind of censorship that prevails in China.

Do not confused regulation with censorship. Censorship limited content. Regulation encompasses censorship, quality of work and professionalism.

So called India "free" media actually has more censorship than US and European media: Sexual content are banned, ditto certain religious and political content too. Hence, higher chance of getting into trouble. (Also, proving my point again, you're as free as the law permits)
In terms of regulating the quality of work and professionalism, Indian media is pathetically lacking behind American, European and Chinese media.
 
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Good regulatory body ensures "credible" media, censorship or not.

We can do more than you ever imagine.

And WHO exactly certifies this regulatory body as 'good'?

You have done zilch that others haven't already done. So better stop your self-aggrandization.
 
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I remember 1978 17th June Nathu La ....PLA Major Yin Gon. He gave me rum in bitter cold and said our struggle in not weather or Politicians but Mistrust.

Years later we met in Hong Kong Kowloon ..again and Mr Han said the some words.....

You see our Border is the Only Border where Gun shots have not been fired to settle scores... This speaks volumes.

So does India has shooting conflicts with all its neighbors? I thought China is the one country that has problems with its neighbors. India look to be worse than even China.
 
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