XI Jinping presents new CPC central leadership

[Adam WANG SHANGHAI MEGA]

Xi presents new CPC central leadership, roadmap for next 5 years
Source: Xinhua| 2017-10-25 14:39:49|Editor: Liu

Xi Jinping (C), general secretary of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of China (CPC), and the other newly-elected members of the Standing Committee of the Political Bureau of the 19th CPC Central Committee Li Keqiang (3rd R), Li Zhanshu (3rd L), Wang Yang (2nd R), Wang Huning (2nd L), Zhao Leji (1st R) and Han Zheng, meet the press at the Great Hall of the People in Beijing, capital of China, Oct. 25, 2017. (Xinhua/Li Tao)

 

[Adam WANG SHANGHAI MEGA]

Why does the Politburo Standing Committee matter?
The committee is the top body of China's all-powerful Communist Party. Its role is to discuss and decide on major policy issues.

The party's constitution says China's top leader must also be a member of the standing committee. So appointments are keenly watched.

In the new line-up, Premier Li Keqiang, 62, is the only member to retain his position, apart from Mr Xi.

 

[Zsari]

Not having a clear successor is of concern. Authoritarian government is highly efficient, but its weakness is in its power transition. Having an established procedure for the transition is critical to the long term health of the system.

 

[Bussard Ramjet]

Not having a clear successor is of concern. Authoritarian government is highly efficient, but its weakness is in its power transition. Having an established procedure for the transition is critical to the long term health of the system.

I said this very same thing last year, and everyone here was laughing.

They were saying that Chinese leadership follows succession laws and that the new successor will be unveiled soon.

Is everybody comfortable with seeing Xi Jinping ruling China for next 2-3 decades? (Who knows, Xi Jinping's daughter Xi Mingze may succeed Xi Jinping)

@JSCh @cirr @cnleio @Adam wang @Zsari

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Is everybody comfortable with seeing Xi Jinping ruling China for next 2-3 decades? (Who knows, Xi Jinping's daughter Xi Mingze may succeed Xi Jinping)

Hmm, people said the same thing about Hu Jintao. And Jiang Zemin before him, that they would refuse to step down once their terms were finished. What happened there?

It will be a while before our top leadership gets family dynasties like the Bush family, Clinton family, the Gandhi family and soon the Trump and Kim families.

As for Xi Jinping ruling for more than the established 10-year term, I would love for that to happen, since I think he's the best leader we've had for decades. But it won't, because that's not how the system works.

 

[Bussard Ramjet]

Hmm, people said the same thing about Hu Jintao. And Jiang Zemin before him, that they would refuse to step down once their terms were finished. What happened there?

During both Hu Jintao and Jiang Zemin's term, a clear successor was known mid way. AND, the party had an consensus based structure.

Right now, pretty much anybody who is getting a valuable post is an ally of Xi Jinping.

It will be a while before our top leadership gets family dynasties like the Bush family, Clinton family, the Gandhi family and soon the Trump and Kim families.

There is a difference between a dynasty like Bush, and someone like Kim.

In a democratic dynasty like Bush, Clinton, Gandhis, the people choose to vote them, due to affinity with the family's values, or name recognition. The family name matters only that much. They still function within the system, and often loose. All of the recent bush, clinton, and gandhi that stood for election lost the election.

In places like North Korea, the supreme leader essentially hands over power to their children, without any test of ability to rule by force as a necessity.

As for Xi Jinping ruling for more than the established 10-year term, I would love for that to happen, since I think he's the best leader we've had for decades. But it won't, because that's not how the system works.

Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

If Mao had retired in 1960, he would have been perhaps the greatest leader (without that 70 good, 30 bad formulae)

But Mao stuck to power.

No person however good, should rule in perpetuity.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

There is a difference between a dynasty like Bush, and someone like Kim.

You are right, Bush junior invaded two countries, leading to millions of innocent civilians being killed. Over lies like WMD. And sending the entire MENA region spiraling into war and devastation that is still going on today.

Fat Kim, as awful as he is, is still a saint in comparison. And that is saying something.

And the Trump dynasty looks like it might become even worse, including stalwarts like Jared Kushner who gained his position through purely "meritocratic" means.

 

[Bussard Ramjet]

You are right, Bush junior invaded two countries, leading to millions of innocent civilians being killed. Over lies like WMD. And sending the entire MENA region spiraling into war and devastation that is still going on today.

It was not the fault of Bush alone. It was a national fault. US itself, with full support of a large section of population and politicians went into those wars.

I still agree with Afghanistan one. What are you supposed to do when a person who has launched an attack against your homeland's most elite business district, is harbored and sheltered by a country and refuses to give him up?

I just think they should have left afghanistan much earlier after quickly catching Osama.

Iraq war was a big mess.

Also, frankly, those two wars were a big boon to China, since it distracted US for a long time, and continues to do so.

Fat Kim, as awful as he is, is still a saint in comparison. And that is saying something.

Depends on power man. The difference between power of North Korea and US is probably a thousand times. So. Kim can't do much with the small power of N Korea.

But the most important responsibility a political leader has is to their own people. And looking at the condition of N Korea, Kim is a brutal tyrant of the highest order.

And the Trump dynasty looks like it might become even worse, including stalwarts like Jared Kushner who gained his position through purely "meritocratic" means.

Really? Trump is constantly criticized by his own party. He is right now looking into possible impeachment proceedings, as special prosecutor Mueller is looking into Trump's dealings with Russia.

He is constantly being berated, and being left by even people who were on his side before. I am right now not sure if Trump is gonna even last until 2020, leave alone winning re election.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

It was not the fault of Bush alone. It was a national fault. US itself, with full support of a large section of population and politicians went into those wars.

I still agree with Afghanistan one. What are you supposed to do when a person who has launched an attack against your homeland's most elite business district, is harbored and sheltered by a country and refuses to give him up?

I just think they should have left afghanistan much earlier after quickly catching Osama.

Iraq war was a big mess.

Also, frankly, those two wars were a big boon to China, since it distracted US for a long time, and continues to do so.



Depends on power man. The difference between power of North Korea and US is probably a thousand times. So. Kim can't do much with the small power of N Korea.

But the most important responsibility a political leader has is to their own people. And looking at the condition of N Korea, Kim is a brutal tyrant of the highest order.



Really? Trump is constantly criticized by his own party. He is right now looking into possible impeachment proceedings, as special prosecutor Mueller is looking into Trump's dealings with Russia.

He is constantly being berated, and being left by even people who were on his side before. I am right now not sure if Trump is gonna even last until 2020, leave alone winning re election.

Listen, I don't have a problem with the idea of democracy (of all varieties). I never did.

But just look at the world. Every time Donald Trump opens his mouth, like threatening nuclear war with North Korea, the world gets heart palpitations. I'm not just talking about Chinese people, or Europeans, etc. but even Americans themselves.

Then look at the absolute chaos and destruction across the MENA region, every day you read the news, you see people being blown up by American bombs, missiles and drones.

Then now look at Modi and his politics of Hindu nationalism, cow vigilantes and people getting lynched in the street for eating beef.

Just go to any Chinese person on the street and ask them, would you prefer Xi Jinping as your leader, or Donald Trump? Or Narenda Modi?

The kind of politics they are selling is extremely unhealthy, and not conducive to national stability and economic stability.

Also, frankly, those two wars were a big boon to China, since it distracted US for a long time, and continues to do so.

That's true, Bush junior's wars in the Middle East were a boon to China.

Is that what an American President should be doing, hurting his own country (and millions of innocents in the Middle East) to help a foreign strategic adversary like China?

 

[Bussard Ramjet]

Listen, I don't have a problem with the idea of democracy (of all varieties). I never did.

But just look at the world. Every time Donald Trump opens his mouth, like threatening nuclear war with North Korea, the world gets heart palpitations. I'm not just talking about Chinese people, or Europeans, etc. but even Americans themselves.

Then look at the absolute chaos and destruction across the MENA region, every day you read the news, you see people being blown up by American bombs, missiles and drones.

Then now look at Modi and his politics of Hindu nationalism, cow vigilantes and people getting lynched in the street for eating beef.

Just go to any Chinese person on the street and ask them, would you prefer Xi Jinping as your leader, or Donald Trump? Or Narenda Modi?

The kind of politics they are selling is extremely unhealthy, and not conducive to national stability and economic stability.

I totally agree with you. I am not even talking of the greatness of democracy, because I realize various flaws and challenges in it.

I am not even talking of Xi Jinping of today. He is certainly a very capable leader today.

I am talking about 10 and 20 years from now. What happens than?

Many great leaders with too much power, have done horrific mistakes, and blunders, and due to their power doubled down on those mistakes.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

I totally agree with you. I am not even talking of the greatness of democracy, because I realize various flaws and challenges in it.

I am not even talking of Xi Jinping of today. He is certainly a very capable leader today.

I am talking about 10 and 20 years from now. What happens than?

Many great leaders with too much power, have done horrific mistakes, and blunders, and due to their power doubled down on those mistakes.

I don't believe Xi Jinping will be able to cross the 10-year term limit, even though I wish that were possible.

And yes, absolute power does corrupt absolutely. But Xi Jinping does not have anywhere close to absolute power, which is why he has not been corrupted.

It is probably true that he has "relatively" more power compared to his predecessors like Hu Jintao, but I don't see that as a problem, if anything it has reduced the political infighting to the benefit of the rest of the nation.

 

[Zsari]

I said this very same thing last year, and everyone here was laughing.

They were saying that Chinese leadership follows succession laws and that the new successor will be unveiled soon.

Is everybody comfortable with seeing Xi Jinping ruling China for next 2-3 decades? (Who knows, Xi Jinping's daughter Xi Mingze may succeed Xi Jinping)

@JSCh @cirr @cnleio @Adam wang @Zsari

There is no succession law, only precedence, while precedence can be changed, I do see it as a slippery slope.

I don't believe Xi Jinping will be able to cross the 10-year term limit, even though I wish that were possible.

And yes, absolute power does corrupt absolutely. But Xi Jinping does not have anywhere close to absolute power, which is why he has not been corrupted.

It is probably true that he has "relatively" more power compared to his predecessors like Hu Jintao, but I don't see that as a problem, if anything it has reduced the political infighting to the benefit of the rest of the nation.

If he doesn't intent to stay on for a 3rd term, there should be a 50 some year old successor in this politburo to ensure a smooth hand-off. I'm not concerned about Xi being corrupted with absolute power, but while staying on might be good for the nation at this point of time, it could however harm the stability and longevity of the state in the long run.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

If he doesn't intent to stay on for a 3rd term, there should be a 50 some year old successor in this politburo to ensure a smooth hand-off. I'm not concerned about Xi being corrupted with absolute power, but while staying on might be good for the nation at this point of time, it could however harm the stability and longevity of the state in the long run.

One of the key characteristics of a good leader is not trying to hold on to power, and not making life difficult for their successor.

Xi Jinping to me has the characteristics of a good leader. There would have to be some very unusual circumstances for him to stay beyond the current 10-year term.

Personally I would prefer it if he stayed on longer, I think he is the best leader we can hope for, but it won't happen.

 

[shadows888]

There is no succession law, only precedence, while precedence can be changed, I do see it as a slippery slope.



If he doesn't intent to stay on for a 3rd term, there should be a 50 some year old successor in this politburo to ensure a smooth hand-off. I'm not concerned about Xi being corrupted with absolute power, but while staying on might be good for the nation at this point of time, it could however harm the stability and longevity of the state in the long run.

the "designated successor" system is being reformed. wait for more details.

 

[Adam WANG SHANGHAI MEGA]

in time,the successor will be unveiled,i just know what westerns would say:
See,as i tell you china is no demo,see their next president has already been choosen against people's will!!!!!
LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!