World’s rarest Islamic gold coin to go for auction in London on October 24

[Myth_buster_1]

The concept of coins dates back to more than 2500 years ago, when the Greeks first used it. After that, everyone copied the concept from someone else. So at a point, iranians must have copied it from someone else.

oh i thought you were going to say "INDIA".

 

[SleeveofWizard]

oh i thought you were going to say "INDIA".

India was the third to use coins after Greeks and Persians
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coin#Achaemenid_coinage_(546–330_BCE)

 

[war&peace]

arabs didn't even know what currency was before they saw it in Iran...

their first gold coins were Iranian, and they copied the whole concept from Iran..

I wouldn't be surprised if this is an Iranian coin that was stolen by arabs and re-melted…..

Oh for God sake...cut me some slack and keep your drivel to yourself ...post some links

@WebMaster @Horus Unsubstantiated BS

You beat me to it... I detected the stupid nationalistic drivel which is so loathsome and a cause of lots of issues

 

[ArabianEmpires&Caliphates]

India was the third to use coins after Greeks and Persians
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coin#Achaemenid_coinage_(546–330_BCE)

Wrong. It was the ancestors of Arabs and Semites in general who introduced coins like most else in the ancient world.

Wikipedia is not a source (let alone academic) and every Joe can edit it. It is infested with farsi trolls trying to rewrite history.

https://en.numista.com/catalogue/mesopotamia-ancient-1.html

Silver and gold coins from the Neo-Babylonian Empire have been discovered in Northern KSA and modern-day Iraq and Syria dating back to 600 BC. Older coins as well from earlier periods.













Makes sense as Arabia alone was/is home to more gold than any other region in the MENA. Largest and oldest gold mine is located in Hijaz, Saudi Arabia. In operation since 5000+ years as I wrote earlier in this thread.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahd_adh_Dhahab

It is the same gold mine that has been mentioned in scriptures such as the Torah, Bible and Qur'an. King Solomon's gold mine etc.

Anyway this is a funny thread, as the coin is an Arab Umayyad coin minted in Hijaz and one of the oldest in existence from the Islamic period. Has jackshit to do with iran, Greeks and India.

 

[IbnAbdullah]

Salaam

Cyrus the great introduced coinage to Iran in 550~ BC. after he defeated croseus and took over Lydia (which had the first system in place)

I'd actually sort of maybe get your nationalistic pride if it was Persians that were the one's who actually invented this whole thing.


However, even according to your own account, the Arabs got this system the same way the Persians got it: conquest of a land with an established system of using gold coinage.

Yet you mock the Arabs for doing the same thing the Persians did a few centuries back?

 

[New World]

arabs didn't even know what currency was before they saw it in Iran...

their first gold coins were Iranian, and they copied the whole concept from Iran..

I wouldn't be surprised if this is an Iranian coin that was stolen by arabs and re-melted…..

Yes, even gold, silver, iron, coal and patrol was also invented by Iran or Iranian.

and Makkah and Madina were just two deserted place where nobody dared to came even birds.

 

[Khafee]

Yes, even gold, silver, iron, coal and patrol was also invented by Iran or Iranian.

and Makkah and Madina were just two deserted place where nobody dared to came even birds.

Lets hope he is so thrilled after reading this, that he finally croaks.

 

[New World]

well its common undisputed history that the first arab coins were copied sassanid ones. Before that arabs had 0 history of using coinage...

what is so controversial about that? the fact that its shows how primitive arab society was before they entered Iran??

if arabs didn't have gold coin or concept of gold currency, than it means that whole indian sub-continent, china and Romans also did not have any concept of gold currency.

Lets hope he is so thrilled after reading this, that he finally croaks.

I don't think so, some iranian have thick skin and are distant relatives of Baniyas, nothing crosses their thick skin to reach their dumb brains..

 

[Myth_buster_1]

India was the third to use coins after Greeks and Persians
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coin#Achaemenid_coinage_(546–330_BCE)

is indus valley in india?

 

[zartosht]

wow the ignorance and butthurt of some...

I guess the reality of arabs being a primitive people who didn't know what coins were is too hard to grasp for some... if it really makes you feel better, you can have the coin all to yourselves and circle jerk around it.

i was pointiing out an undisputed fact.. but apparently there is an alternative universe where a different history happened according to MBS school text books... where the great arab people invented everything...

and with Arab I mean real genuine desert arabs of arabia and Persian gulf region. Not the arabized Iraqis, Syrians Lebanese etc...

 

[Leviza]

arabs didn't even know what currency was before they saw it in Iran...

their first gold coins were Iranian, and they copied the whole concept from Iran..

I wouldn't be surprised if this is an Iranian coin that was stolen by arabs and re-melted…..

So your issue is with the islamic coin or the fact that Iran in the past lost to islamic world ?

Come on grow up , Iran is islamic country as well and might have some contributions in the islamic world as well so be proud of all islamic stuff

 

[zartosht]

So your issue is with the islamic coin or the fact that Iran in the past lost to islamic world ?

Come on grow up , Iran is islamic country as well and might have some contributions in the islamic world as well so be proud of all islamic stuff

depends on how you see it... but having a standard coin/currency goes along way in actually maintaining an empire. its pretty easy for any savage army to win a single battle in the right circumstances. What sets empire builders apart is the beuracracy and government they set up to maintain the empire.

arabs were tribalistic and mostly uncivilized people, with little to no experience in running and maintaining an empire. it wasn't some magic or fantasy that overnight they knew learned empire building... they got lucky that when they hit their peak , iran was at its lowest and weakest point in a while and they were able to adopt Iranian beuracracy and systems (including currency) to build an Islamic empire.

that's really what I was pointing out, before the butthurt crew came out with alternate history of arabs inventing everything including toast bread.

 

[ArabianEmpires&Caliphates]

wow the ignorance and butthurt of some...

I guess the reality of arabs being a primitive people who didn't know what coins were is too hard to grasp for some... if it really makes you feel better, you can have the coin all to yourselves and circle jerk around it.

i was pointiing out an undisputed fact.. but apparently there is an alternative universe where a different history happened according to MBS school text books... where the great arab people invented everything...

and with Arab I mean real genuine desert arabs of arabia and Persian gulf region. Not the arabized Iraqis, Syrians Lebanese etc...

What the hell are you talking about Arabized farsi?

I just schooled you in this debate, you being left with no replies as well, as did practically every other user.

Your historical fairytales is just that. The Arab world is the cradle of civilization. Home of the oldest and most influential civilizations in the entire world. Where most of the progress of the ancient world was invented as every educated person is well aware of.

There is no such thing as "desert Arabs" or "Persian Gulf region" anymore than there are desert farsis and Arabian Sea and Gulf of Oman region. Iraqis, Syrians, Lebanese are Arabs genetically, culturally, linguistically, geographically and first of all they are fellow Semites.

Big words from an Arabized farsi whose pre-Islamic civilization prior to that was/is a Semitic copy as already explained (another user eluded to it also) and whose people are basically (at least half) off-spring of Neolithic migrants native to the Arab Near East. You have nothing to do with the barbarian Indo-European speaking nomads of the Central Asian deserts and steppes. An elite of them just conquered you and imposed their language on you. Similar to the reality in Turkey vis a vis the small Turkic migrations in an otherwise Anatolian and Semitic Anatolia prior to that with Greeks in the West and Armenians in the Northeast. Prior to that you were Elamites who were closely related to civilizations of the Arab Near east next door.

depends on how you see it... but having a standard coin/currency goes along way in actually maintaining an empire. its pretty easy for any savage army to win a single battle in the right circumstances. What sets empire builders apart is the beuracracy and government they set up to maintain the empire.

arabs were tribalistic and mostly uncivilized people, with little to no experience in running and maintaining an empire. it wasn't some magic or fantasy that overnight they knew learned empire building... they got lucky that when they hit their peak , iran was at its lowest and weakest point in a while and they were able to adopt Iranian beuracracy and systems (including currency) to build an Islamic empire.

that's really what I was pointing out, before the butthurt crew came out with alternate history of arabs inventing everything including toast bread.

Go take your medicine, Arabized farsi. Your pre-Islamic entity was a 100% copy of our pre-Arab/pre-Islamic civilizations and empires as already explained earlier in this thread.

There is a reason why your entity only appeared on a world map 2500 years ago when prior to that (for millennia) we Semites had the most advanced and civilized civilizations, empires and kingdoms who have completely influenced pretty much everything about your pre-Islamic history.

Arabia alone has more World Unesco Heritage sites as well. Older cities. More impressive and well-kept heritage and archaeological sites. 100.000's, in fact millions, of older human presence etc. In fact the first inhabitants of Iran were our off-spring.

 

[PakSword]

Why Persians are always so butthurt?

They were beaten by poor but physically and mentally powerful, and battle hardened Arabs who ended the fire worshipping super power of its time forever.

The glory of Persian empire got buried at the hands of mighty Arabs.

Persian empire (RIH) is still missed by many.

 

[Leviza]

depends on how you see it... but having a standard coin/currency goes along way in actually maintaining an empire. its pretty easy for any savage army to win a single battle in the right circumstances. What sets empire builders apart is the beuracracy and government they set up to maintain the empire.

arabs were tribalistic and mostly uncivilized people, with little to no experience in running and maintaining an empire. it wasn't some magic or fantasy that overnight they knew learned empire building... they got lucky that when they hit their peak , iran was at its lowest and weakest point in a while and they were able to adopt Iranian beuracracy and systems (including currency) to build an Islamic empire.

that's really what I was pointing out, before the butthurt crew came out with alternate history of arabs inventing everything including toast bread.

First of all learn something about history and then say something

Islamic empire was not done by Arabs at all
It was Turkish ottomans