World Top 9 - BVR Air to Air missiles !!!

[Beast]

This is flawed argument, and reasoning.

USAF bring lot of assets to bear for aerial engagements, and throws potential adversary in disarray. American electronic warfare equipment is very potent in particular.


Iraqi Air Force was very good in 1991.

Potent but not invincible. As I say they haven't met the real match yet. Times flies. Empire will decline. New one will rise. The world do not always revolve just on one nation. Until now, USAF still do not have a true 360 degress AESA AWACS. The most a PESA 360 degrees E2-D APY-9 Radar. Becos US could not solve the problem of AESA 360 degrees AWACS cover.

While China has long solve the cover problem for an AESA 360 degrees AWACS with KJ-2000.

More than a dozen of newest KJ-500 AESA 360 degrees has enter service for PLAAF/PLANAF.

 

[LeGenD]

Potent but not invincible. As I say they haven't met the real match yet. Times flies. Empire will decline. New one will rise. The world do not always revolve just on one nation. Until now, USAF still do not have a true 360 degress AESA AWACS. The most a PESA 360 degrees E2-D APY-9 Radar. Becos US could not solve the problem of AESA 360 degrees AWACS cover.

While China has long solve the cover problem for an AESA 360 degrees AWACS with KJ-2000.

More than a dozen of newest KJ-500 AESA 360 degrees has enter service for PLAAF/PLANAF.

US have fought wars with some of the greatest powers of the world in different eras. Your assertion: 'they haven't met the real match yet' - is flawed. Russian defenses utterly failed to defeat American strikes over Syrian regime in Syria TWICE, so what does this tell you? And American war-machine is getting better with time, not worse.

US have developed state-of-the-art AWACS aircraft which provide 360 degree radar coverage to its operators; E-2D Advanced Hawkeye for instance. Secondly, American airborne assets are optimized for 'Cooperative Engagement Capability' in which a sensor system of one aircraft can contribute vital information to a sensor system of similar character in neighboring aircraft to establish superior situational awareness and radar coverage for the operators of each (TRON warfare); one AWACS aircraft can fuse its information with another AWACS aircraft to create 360 degree radar coverage, and widen the FOV, for their respective operators.

china buys jet engines from russia so I think russia have much better jets and experience in this field after u.s

I wouldn't say that Russia is developing much better aircraft than China, but the latter have certainly learned a great deal from Russian procurements.

Chinese J-16 is a beast for instance. Secondly, China have shown superior knowhow of airframe design than Russia in recent years: J-20 versus SU-57. R&D levels make difference.

 

[My-Analogous]

I guess , Pakistan have Chinese made BVR used to shot down MIG 21 and SU 30 on Feb 27.

This video must be made by Indian and they are showing their product batter then every one except Russia and US and in real world they are still buying from other countries. They are hopeless cases

 

[Beast]

This video must be made by Indian and they are showing their product batter then every one except Russia and US and in real world they are still buying from other countries. They are hopeless cases

Pakistanis shall made more video to reveal the truth. I suggest making a world top 10 worst navy. Or world top 10 worst AF with India all ranking first. I seen many youtube video made by Indian intend to insult PAF , like "JF-17 is junk"

While they will praise LCA as world top 5 fighter.

 

[My-Analogous]

Pakistanis shall made more video to reveal the truth. I suggest making a world top 10 worst navy. Or world top 10 worst AF with India all ranking first. I seen many youtube video made by Indian intend to insult PAF , like "JF-17 is junk"

While they will praise LCA as world top 5 fighter.

Let them lives in bollywood world. We gives them shocks time to time, whenever they visited real world

 

[Yaseen1]

US have fought wars with some of the greatest powers of the world in different eras. Your assertion: 'they haven't met the real match yet' - is flawed. Russian defenses utterly failed to defeat American strikes over Syrian regime in Syria TWICE, so what does this tell you? And American war-machine is getting better with time, not worse.

US have developed state-of-the-art AWACS aircraft which provide 360 degree radar coverage to its operators; E-2D Advanced Hawkeye for instance. Secondly, American airborne assets are optimized for 'Cooperative Engagement Capability' in which a sensor system of one aircraft can contribute vital information to a sensor system of similar character in neighboring aircraft to establish superior situational awareness and radar coverage for the operators of each (TRON warfare); one AWACS aircraft can fuse its information with another AWACS aircraft to create 360 degree radar coverage, and widen the FOV, for their respective operators.


I wouldn't say that Russia is developing much better aircraft than China, but the latter have certainly learned a great deal from Russian procurements.

Chinese J-16 is a beast for instance. Secondly, China have shown superior knowhow of airframe design than Russia in recent years: J-20 versus SU-57. R&D levels make difference.

China has large money available so it has advantage over russia but china is behind russia at present in aircrafts as they not have supersonic heavy bombers like tu160 and tu22M which russia have .Also china most flankers jets like j16 jets are copy of russian jets but russia brings new jets with design and capability not known to world before like u.s does.J20 lacks super manoeuvreability like su57 and it has copied u.s f35 and f22 for its design but su57 is new type of jet which not resembles to any u.s jet .Its rcs reduction is no problem for russia but it will affect its manoeuvreability to incorporate both features russia has to work further like u.s f22 has both features . In future china may produce better jets than russia as they have much better economy

 

[Beast]

China has large money available so it has advantage over russia but china is behind russia at present in aircrafts as they not have supersonic heavy bombers like tu160 and tu22M which russia have .Also china most flankers jets like j16 jets are copy of russian jets but russia brings new jets with design and capability not known to world before like u.s does.J20 lacks super manoeuvreability like su57 and it has copied u.s f35 and f22 for its design but su57 is new type of jet which not resembles to any u.s jet .Its rcs reduction is no problem for russia but it will affect its manoeuvreability to incorporate both features russia has to work further like u.s f22 has both features . In future china may produce better jets than russia as they have much better economy

J-20 has super manoeuvreability due to the canard design and reduced RCS is far superior than Su-57. Su-57 sacrifice stealth for better agility which makes it 4.5th gen fighter only.

Let me show u an example with just the cockpit area.

Metal frame cockpit with many parts. Rounded IRST protruding out is big reflection of RCS. Not to mention no S-duct to hide engine blade since that is one of the major contribution to RCS. They are simply too many details to indicated SU-57 is a poor design of stealth. In an scenario of BVR, SU-57 will get attack first by J-20 or F-22 or F-35.

 

[Yaseen1]

I think russia will soon develop true 5 gen jet and are working on project and have learned from su57 development.china needs to focus on innovative new designs of jets which not reflect them as copy of other countries jets if they want to lead others

 

[Beast]

I think russia will soon develop true 5 gen jet and are working on project and have learned from su57 development.china needs to focus on innovative new designs of jets which not reflect them as copy of other countries jets if they want to lead others

J-20 is a design not based on any aircraft. 1.44 Mig despite being twin engine canard is vastly different from J-20. J-20 is based on Chinese experience of J-10 canard as basic to improve to bigger twin engine. J-20 air inlet is side which allows massive weapon bay below belly while 1.44 Mig has air inlet at belly with no S-duct and weapon bay. 1.44 Mig is just an demonstrator which many design still need verification while J-20 is already an operational plane.

Same as JF-17 which can be claimed as an orginal design with no near same counterparts but did share few similar feature from F-16 due to Pakistan request and experience with handling of their F-16.

 

[LeGenD]

J-20 is a design not based on any aircraft. 1.44 Mig despite being twin engine canard is vastly different from J-20. J-20 is based on Chinese experience of J-10 canard as basic to improve to bigger twin engine. J-20 air inlet is side which allows massive weapon bay below belly while 1.44 Mig has air inlet at belly with no S-duct and weapon bay. 1.44 Mig is just an demonstrator which many design still need verification while J-20 is already an operational plane.

Same as JF-17 which can be claimed as an orginal design with no near same counterparts but did share few similar feature from F-16 due to Pakistan request and experience with handling of their F-16.

Yes, at a closer look, J-20 gives the impression of an indigenous effort. Certain amount of similarities with other birds are to be expected, but I think that the whole 'F-35 secrets stolen' stuff is overblown.

Excellent read: https://freethoughtblogs.com/stderr/2016/12/28/stealing-the-f-35/

 

[gambit]

US product is overhyped. They have never met the real match.

Sure as the sky is blue, that 'real match' will not come from China.