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This a short documantry about the underground market of weapons in Pakistan,
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I will show variouse neutral sources of Pakistans issue in the Baluchistan area and why the Baluchi resistance is high, and how the military has little effect on its operation, the following below is a source on the politcal and military stance in Baluchistan. India is behind this great operation to creat instability in the region and it has been successful in this operation unfortunately. However, this region has become a anti government but it is only a minority of them who are against the government it should be noted why this has occured.

What are your thoughts on this issue, and do you think the Baluchistan issue can heal.

DO you believe Military action is the right step to take.

In recent years Baluchistan has become the most hostile area of Pakistan who do you think is behind it is Pakistan or Indian elements.
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So, what is going on in Baluchistan? Baluchistan is one of the 4 states/provinces of Pakistan. It constitutes roughly 40-43% of the land mass with only 5%-7% share in the population. It has the richest mineral and natural resources in the country, yet, is the most impoverished area of Pakistan with the lowest literacy, health and infrastructure indices. Two days ago, "tribal" or "nationalists" or "foreign interests" launched an attack on the largest natural gas production facility in Sui, Baluchistan. This has halted the supply of natural gas to most of the country resulting in material and economic losses. The escalation comes after on-going sporadic violence in the region against the Pakistani military forces. The General unequivocally warned the tribal/nationalist/foreign elements that his retaliation will be swift and that "they will not even know what hit them".

This has set the stage for a show-down between Pakistan military and what the Pak media is terming "terrorist organizations" like the Baluch Liberation Front and Baluch Liberation Army. At least Jang Daily expressed severe doubt in their editorial about the mere existence of these organizations (which is the usual hint that India is behind it all). If they, uh, google`d it, they would know that not only do these organizations exist and have a fairly comprehensive web presence but that their grievances are long standing and, at least to this Punjabi/Kashmiri, fairly justified.

Let me start with a bit of history. The region was largely under Iranian kingly control and the autonomous principality of Kalat. The British wrested control away from the Khan of Kalat in the early 1840s and it became the staging ground for the various Afghan-British wars (the Great Game) in the later half of 19th century. The 1876 treaty between the Khan of Kalat and Robert Sandeman accepted the independence of the Kalat as an allied state with British military outposts in the region. After the 1878 Afghan War, the British established Baluchistan as a provincial entity centered on the municipality of Quetta - Kalat, Makran, and Lasbella continuing to exist as princely realms.

The British interest in the region was largely to use it as a land-mass bulwark against Central Asian encroachments. Besides a train track, the development and settlement of British holdings excluded most of the tribal population. The administrative and legislative reforms of late 19th and early 20th century India overlooked Baluchistan. Around the 1930s, Baluchi nationalist parties emerged to contest for freedom from British rule. They took the princely state of Kalat as the focal point of a free and united Baluchistan. Iqbal`s vision of autonomous federation of Muslim state included Baluchistan but the Khan of Kalat never brought into the Punjabi nationalist paradigm, arguing that the Kalat had special treaty powers. Baglar Begi Khan declared the independence of Kalat on August 15, 1947. He assured the neo-state of Pakistan that Kalat will participate in the defense and infrastructure but will be autonomous. That didn`t go over well at all and the Pakistani army entered the region to occupy the area immediately. On Mar 27, 1948, the Khan of Kalat gave in to the State of Pakistan and his old attorney M. A. Jinnah. His brother Abdul Karim Baloch refused to surrender and revolted until his arrest in 1950. Baluchistan was put under Governor General control and no elective body formed in Baluchistan 1973.

After Partition, the threat of E. Pakistani - read Bengali - hegemony (55% of population at the time), forced the Punjabi military and civil elite (in 1947, Punjabis made up 77% of the army being only 25% of the population) to constitute W. Pakistan as One Unit in the 1956 Constitution. This was done presumably to guarantee equal representation for W. Pakistan but the measure was highly unpopular in Sindh, Baluchistan and NWFP because it meant rule of the Punjabi over their regional interests. Separatist, sub-national movements triumphing local languages and cultures and protesting Punjabi hegemony arose in all the three states. Especially in Baluchistan, the Khan of Kalat led a stringent opposition to the One Unit. But the wave of military dictatorships quashed all such designs. In 1970, Yayha Khan dissolved the One Unit to appease E. Pakistan but the horrific damage done by the army in soon-to-be-Bangladesh proved too much.

After 1971, the sub-nationalist movements in Sindh and Baluchistan demanded their fair share of the nationalist pie. With Bangladesh`s independence, Punjab became the most populous and richest state in the country. It had 58% of the population while Baluchistan had 4%. Led by Bhutto`s central populism, Baluchistan had its first elected body in 1972. The National Awami Party won the majority of the seats in Baluchistan and started making noises about state rights. In 1973, it was clear to the NAP that Baluchistan was the least developed province with the majority of civil and military bureaucracy coming from Punjab. They, quite correctly, saw this as a colonial exploitation. The discovery of natural gas reserves at Sui had made the area incredibly vital to Pakistan and Iran`s developmental programs. The refusal by the Bhutto`s central government to allow NAP internal autonomy escalated a tense situation into an outright revolt. Bhutto dismissed the Baluchistan assembly and re-instituted Governor`s rule. The Baluchi nationalists launched an all-out military resistance.

From 1973-1978, roughly 60,000 Baluchi tribesmen and militia faced off against the Pakistani army. Iran, eager to quell any similar uprising in its bordering area, contributed air force and personnel to the Pakistani efforts. They bombarded Baluchi villages into submission. Bhutto`s ouster, via Zia`s military coup, forced a calm onto the situation as Zia launched into his One Pakistan Through Islam program. The Afghanistan war, the Iranian revolution and the Zia`s policies made Baluchistan into an island of outsider activity. US/UN aid for Afghani refugees poured into the metropolitan areas. During the 90s, the Benazir/Nawaz Sharif governments did little for Baluchistan as the Baluchi nationalist parties floundered in exile.

After The General landed into power (get it?), he tried to foster new relationship with Baluchistan. Over the last three years, the Kachhi Canal, Mirani Dam, Gwadar Port, Makran Coastal Highway, Saindak Copper Project and Quetta Water Supply Scheme were announced by Islamabad. Over 300 percent increase was made in the national budget for development programs in Baluchistan. Yet, all these things have failed to materialize from paper into concrete.

These latest incidents emerge from the same calls for Baluchistan`s equal share in the national programs and right to self-administer. The catalyst seems to be the assault on a female doctor, Dr. Shazia Khalid, by a gang of employees of the PPL at Sui. The company management, along with the local police, tried to quash the issue while the central authorities ignored all pleas to intervene. This caused the initial attack on the Sui facility. Nawab Akbar Bugti, the leader of Democratic National Party Baluchistan, clearly stated that the attack was borne out of frustration on the lack of action against the employees who did the assault and was NOT a nationalist struggle for freedom by the tribals. The General, on the other hand, is going to play this as another internal/external threat to Pakistan and seems determined to carry out a military response. His pointed reference to the 1973 uprising is meant to warn the Baluchi tribals that he will not negotiate on his terms.

Today`s actions by the tribals and the military response in Baluchistan can be understood within the context of the acrimonious central-regional relationship in Pakistan. The rights of states, the rights of minorities, the rights of individuals are all negotiated within the vaccum of Islamabad military power-brokers. Having no access to that, the aggrieved parties find no alternative except violent struggle. The history of MQM, of Sindh, of Waziristan and, of Baluchistan provides ample attestation to that reality. I hate to say it again but here it goes: there is no way out except a democratically elected and constituted assembly that will re-imagine Pakistan as a federation with a secular and civil Constitution at the helm.

http://www.chowk.com/show_article.cgi?aid=00004615&channel=civic center#
 
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One question, and one comment.

1. Why are you certain India is behind this?

2. It would be easier to give the Baluchs their rightful share of their land. You don't win their hearts and minds when you mistreat them. They are your own countrymen.
 
1. Why are you certain India is behind this?
countrymen.


I wasn't certain about that I dont understand where you found that I was certain? I researched on publications of the Baluchistan issue and I found that there has been a strong case of Indian involvement, the source tells u this, it summerises the whole issue though I dont completely agree with source, there is a neglection form the government on this issue and the government is more hardline on the Baluchis which has resulted into choas.
 
One question, and one comment.

1. Why are you certain India is behind this?

Indians never accepted Pakistan as a country They always proudly conspired to divide and destroy Pakistan.
How are Indians (officially speaking) certain that Pakistan is behind all the sins occouring in India.
Shouldn't India be answering this question more often!

2. It would be easier to give the Baluchs their rightful share of their land. You don't win their hearts and minds when you mistreat them. They are your own countrymen.

What would that right be and shouldn't a democratic rule be followed on any demands?
FYI, It was only one brutal tribe leader, who had raised his private military due to the ineptness of our past governments.
 
Batman,

Indians reconginze Pakistan, we are happy that you have a place, just dont come bug us. All the Fundoo talk by the RSS or anyone is no different to the talibani talk from your side. Treat it as such.
Indians dont have the 1000cuts policy you do, Indians dont blame you for anyother than terrorism. Which Pakistan definitly capable of doing; Video's like these only reaffirms my conviction.
 
Batman,

Indians reconginze Pakistan, we are happy that you have a place, just dont come bug us. All the Fundoo talk by the RSS or anyone is no different to the talibani talk from your side. Treat it as such.
Indians dont have the 1000cuts policy you do, Indians dont blame you for anyother than terrorism. Which Pakistan definitly capable of doing; Video's like these only reaffirms my conviction.

Lol, oh Adu.

These tribals have been building weapons as far as recoreded history of this region. Their's a saying "Our great-grandfathers made swords and we make guns". It's a tradition that has been passed down to that region, this was the only way they kept the British away and had freedom where others had to bow down.
 
Sniper,

Agreed, But that is only one part of the story isnt it. It is the guns made here used in Kashmir. The cry for jihad and the easy supply of weapons. I find this video in that context very disturbing.
 
Well, remember Afghan's and people from that region have always been involved one way or another inside India in the past before partition. Ammunition doesn't necessarily have to flow from this region of Pakistan to Kashmir, it can be made at home, just like IED's, guns can be made anywhere as well. Also, who knows people might be making weapons in Indian occupied Kashmir, are you going to blame Pakistan for that as well? Plus, their isn't anything disturbing about the video's unless their is a weak heart.

So, far in history what I have learned is that politics is backed by military, and religion is back by military/milita/people, if a community (ummah) is seeing it's religious co-hearts oppressed then this forces certain elements to take action of revenge or liberation until that aim is achieved. And can't be constituted as terrorism, if it were wouldn't Indian fighting for independance be considered terrorism or Mr. Ghadi a terrorist in this age and time (if it were to occur now)? Or American independance fighting the British with terrorist collobration of France? Each situation has to be viewed differently, instead of generalzing everything as terrorism one of America's No.1 word even if someone disagrees with them on a simple thing.
 
Sniper,

Agreed, But that is only one part of the story isnt it. It is the guns made here used in Kashmir. The cry for jihad and the easy supply of weapons. I find this video in that context very disturbing.

Yes, This is true that any one can buy arms from this market which is existing from centuries in the mountaineous region of pak-Afghan border.
Those arms can be used for any purpose and terrorism is no exception.
Video is equally disturbing for me.

I support the idea that this industry should be regulated by the government, which is indeed an undaunting task and with no quick solution insight.

But again, this is not some thing new, 10 years ago this place use to be a tourism spot for foreigners.
 
If you try to regulate any further than it already is your going to kill the $ 16 Million dollars they make, selling small arms to Europe, etc. Not all guns are the same AKs they are also making custom made ones depending what the customer needs.

Plus, the Govt. is helping them ship to Europe.
 
i believe that the government already has plans to regulate this industry and the pathans are very happy at this..........

@ adux,
plz dont judge these people too harshly...........what u find dangerous and deplorable, is a way of life for them.........its part of our culture and we r proud of it...........arms and ammunitions are a vast trade and pakistan has a very small hand in it............if u want to blame anyone, then blame the USA...........cause its the biggest arms supplier in the world.
people of different places have different cultures and norms..........what may be accepted in one place, may be forbidden in another.............
 
Healer,

I dont confirm or agree with US Foreign Policiy's. But they are a government,elected to power and responsible to various regulations, checks and balances of both International and Domestic. But A private individual is that a individual his act, does not follow the rules of engagement, he has no checks and balances and basically has no people support other than his 'assumed one'.

There is nothing wrong with Culture or Gun producing. But the fact that any tom dick and harry can walk in and buy a weapon is a matter of grave concern for any government; culture or not.

Saudi Arabia attacking Israel is different from OBL attacking Israel.Here in lies the differnece. These kind of places help people like OBL.
 
But that is only one part of the story isnt it. It is the guns made here used in Kashmir. The cry for jihad and the easy supply of weapons. I find this video in that context very disturbing.

Then why dont you protest against the Indian Governement to pull the Indian army out of Kashmir because like said you are worried about the issue. I mean is that what you wanted to hear?
 
Indians never accepted Pakistan as a country They always proudly conspired to divide and destroy Pakistan.
How are Indians (officially speaking) certain that Pakistan is behind all the sins occouring in India.
Shouldn't India be answering this question more often!.


In the Kashmir case, pakistan has accepted it. Wrt to Ne, bhutan , mynamar and B'desh has all agreed to our stance that their land is being used to stage attacks inside India operated by ' foreign elements'.



FYI, It was only one brutal tribe leader, who had raised his private military due to the ineptness of our past governments.

forget bugti. In your opening comments, you said Baluch has vast resources, 40 % mass land and only 7 % of population. This is a golden ingrediant for a region to boom, but still it remains to be the most impovorsihed.
 
Then why dont you protest against the Indian Governement to pull the Indian army out of Kashmir because like said you are worried about the issue. I mean is that what you wanted to hear?

Excuse me; I am talking about a Weapons in Hands of Private individuals, Do you see me complaining about weapons in Pakistan Army's hand, or 400,000 Pakistani Army Presense in Azad Kashmir.
 
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