Workers claim Chinese Factory in Pakistan firing people who ask to be given time to pray

[Feng Leng]

整个南亚完全没有深度政治和经济改革的必要条件。即使条件较好的印度也没有可能，BJP的上台表明印度开始采用印度教的极端来对抗伊斯兰教的极端，宗教只会加强而不是减弱。中国的例子完全是个例外，我们自己都觉得分外幸运，讨论这些无意义。对南亚政治家来说，宗教就是工具，老百姓很容易被煽动，觉得你这些改革和宗教有冲突，信众可以投票让你上不了台，更糟糕的是政治家会被极端分子会暗杀，印度，巴基斯坦，孟加拉都是有血淋淋的先例的，政治家们不是不明白毛病出在哪里，他们即使明白也没办法，改革是要死人要动乱，就是真改革了，也未必能成，阿富汗就是个先例，改了不成，后来更极端，乱成一锅粥。这种社会现实玉皇大帝来了也不成啊。能不垮，能牵制印度就行了。CPEC就是在国家层面帮扶一把，别倒。国有大企业的风险有国家背书，总体可控。私人投资者，小生意人就别跟着凑热闹了。

中国男跟巴国女通婚，巴国民众看几篇关于新娘被卖被施暴的假新闻就把矛头指向建桥建路的中国工程师。这种国家自身问题太多，我们自己对宗教不敏感的问题也不少，两国根本不可能大规模建立人与人之间的合作。算了吧，小规模把军事设施建好，其他蜂窝别捅。

 

[Jaanbaz]

Use lunch break or tea break ( there should be in term and condition ) to do the prayer, they paying you to do work not mean
12:00 lunch break
1:00 Zohar Pray break
4:30 Asar pray break
And if it’s night shit long break for Taraweeh etc.
Something fishy there in that video

Its about common sense really, I don't know maybe in Pakistan labour laws allow you to take time off for every prayer but I know plenty of people here in UK they just tell their employer they want lunch break near zohar time so they can eat lunch and perform the prayer, that way you're not annoying your employer and getting your daily prayer, even employers then understand this but if you start demanding time off for lunch, then prayer and then another prayer well then employer will find someone else.

 

[beijingwalker]

中国男跟巴国女通婚，巴国民众看几篇关于新娘被卖被施暴的假新闻就把矛头指向建桥建路的中国工程师。这种国家自身问题太多，我们自己对宗教不敏感的问题也不少，两国根本不可能大规模建立人与人之间的合作。算了吧，小规模把军事设施建好，其他蜂窝别捅。

I agree, China and Pakistan relations used to be almost like perfect during the later half of last century, only after more non military sector's cooperation and people to people exchanges began and we started to see loads of negative press,maybe it's better to keep the relationship between the two countries strictly military one.

 

[武成王]

中国男跟巴国女通婚，巴国民众看几篇关于新娘被卖被施暴的假新闻就把矛头指向建桥建路的中国工程师。这种国家自身问题太多，我们自己对宗教不敏感的问题也不少，两国根本不可能大规模建立人与人之间的合作。算了吧，小规模把军事设施建好，其他蜂窝别捅。

巴国新闻媒体比中国自由，媒体都是背后支持的政党的喉舌，这种故意捏造的新闻没什么好奇怪的，互相攻击讨价还价的筹码而已，别太当真就好，媒体和键盘侠都影响不了大局。

马六甲是个伪命题，输油管道貌似经济上也不可行。瓜达尔作为军港也许对巴基斯坦有用，但是对中国没有意义，对中国主要是作为商业港口有点用，正好在海上丝绸之路节点上，可以为物流以及商船中转补给服务。如果作为中国租借的军港至少目前有害无益，因为这基本上就会被认为是对波斯湾至少六个美军基地以及印度海军的同时挑衅。美国和印度顺势结盟，这盘棋就死了，土鳖再蠢也不会下这个昏招。中国目前绝对不会在印度洋上谋求军事设施，因为没必要，条件也不具备，印度其实很明白这点。

中缅经济走廊其实更重要。一旦云南至胶漂的铁路开通，这意味着从川陕可以抄近路将货物输送印度洋，不必经过东部的海港，大大降低路线长度和物流成本，同时对西部大开发具有重要的带动作用，经济意义巨大。
其实我觉得土鳖大张旗鼓搞中巴经济走廊有点明修栈道暗度陈仓的意思，真正的着眼点是缅甸。

 

[Yaseen1]

this company should be heavily fined and blacklisted

 

[Feng Leng]

巴国新闻媒体比中国自由，媒体都是背后支持的政党的喉舌，这种故意捏造的新闻没什么好奇怪的，互相攻击讨价还价的筹码而已，别太当真就好，媒体和键盘侠都影响不了大局。

马六甲是个伪命题，输油管道貌似经济上也不可行。瓜达尔作为军港也许对巴基斯坦有用，但是对中国没有意义，对中国主要是作为商业港口有点用，正好在海上丝绸之路节点上，可以为物流以及商船中转补给服务。如果作为中国租借的军港至少目前有害无益，因为这基本上就会被认为是对波斯湾至少六个美军基地以及印度海军的同时挑衅。美国和印度顺势结盟，这盘棋就死了，土鳖再蠢也不会下这个昏招。中国目前绝对不会在印度洋上谋求军事设施，因为没必要，条件也不具备，印度其实很明白这点。

中缅经济走廊其实更重要。一旦云南至胶漂的铁路开通，这意味着从川陕可以抄近路将货物输送印度洋，不必经过东部的海港，大大降低路线长度和物流成本，同时对西部大开发具有重要的带动作用，经济意义巨大。
其实我觉得土鳖大张旗鼓搞中巴经济走廊有点明修栈道暗度陈仓的意思，真正的着眼点是缅甸。

谢谢您的深透分析，我只补充一点：媒体直接影响不了大局，但是串着宗教极端主义民族主义就麻烦了。事情闹不到几天，貌似已经开始规模反华了。

https://m.weibo.cn/6588683661/4373002613061722

 

[武成王]

谢谢您的深透分析，我只补充一点：媒体直接影响不了大局，但是串着宗教极端主义民族主义就麻烦了。事情闹不到几天，已经开始规模反华了。

https://m.weibo.cn/6588683661/4373002613061722

CIA后面在使劲，巴军方和政府会解决得，不需要我们操心。话说回来，给国人上上课也挺好的。

 

[Wa Muhammada]

Chinese are atheist and don't believe in God. They have not being taught about cultural sensitivities of other nations. Stopping muslims from praying is incredibly antagonizing and inflammatory. This can spiral out of control.

I don't know what is up with chinese these days . First marriage scandals and now this. Do they deliberately want to create problems for themselves over here ?

It’s time these factory owners got taught a lesson ...ek chittar aur danda lo aur inki aisi kardo

 

[AHMED85]

پاکستانی لڑکیوں مے کیڑا تھا جو چائنیز نے نکال دیا سی پیک پے جائز تنقید اور سوال جواب کرنے کو برا سمجھا گیا

اب جب لوگوں کو اندھا اعتماد ہو گیا کہ چائنا اتنا پاکستان کو نواذے گا کہ دودھ کی نہریں نکلیں گئیں

ابھے ڈھکنو شیخ چلی کے پیروکارو حد ھوتی ہے


اب اندھے اعتماد مے تو مار ہی بنتی ہے

حیران ہوں کے جب مسلمانوں پے اعتبار نہیں کرتے تو دوسرے ملک سے اتنی توقعات کیسے لگا لیتے ہیں

 

[Mrc]

中国男跟巴国女通婚，巴国民众看几篇关于新娘被卖被施暴的假新闻就把矛头指向建桥建路的中国工程师。这种国家自身问题太多，我们自己对宗教不敏感的问题也不少，两国根本不可能大规模建立人与人之间的合作。算了吧，小规模把军事设施建好，其他蜂窝别捅。

Thanks God for huwawei mate 30 pro translator

 

[Pakhtoon yum]

You damaged the atmosphere.
If more companies go to Pakistan, employees will have more choices, employers will adjust, this is market behavior.

China is going in circles, this ignorant attitude is what started the century of humiliation. Seems like they didnt learn.

Good point, so hopefully you'll stop pointing fingers at Xinjiang as you always do, our country, our rules.

Pointing fingers at Xinjiang cause it's right at the border, anything anything that goes on there affects the north.

Also these are labor laws not the killing Nx subjugating of millions. If you think these 2 issues are even significantly the same then you are a sick man.

 

[pakpride00090]

I think Chinese need to accept the common people of Pakistan prefer religion to roads and bridges. This is not intended to be judgmental. Everybody is entitled to their choice. I fear our country has erred by opening up people-to-people interactions in this way. China-Pakistan alliance is really a matter for the military elites and should be left that way.

You guys are really pathetic.

Where are the mods on this thread ... These subtle jabs at religion are uncalled for.
This is a regularly occurring theme among chinese members over here.

Fools rush in where angels fear to tread. Mark my words. These cultural maladaption issues will get worse and worse. This is just the beginning. One day somebody is going to get hurt or killed because of a misunderstanding or mistake.

And it will be the fault of chinese folks for adopting my way or highway approach... Just look at this thread.. Godless Pathetic isolate fools over here teaching us to forgo the important pillar of Islam.

پاکستانی لڑکیوں مے کیڑا تھا جو چائنیز نے نکال دیا سی پیک پے جائز تنقید اور سوال جواب کرنے کو برا سمجھا گیا

اب جب لوگوں کو اندھا اعتماد ہو گیا کہ چائنا اتنا پاکستان کو نواذے گا کہ دودھ کی نہریں نکلیں گئیں

ابھے ڈھکنو شیخ چلی کے پیروکارو حد ھوتی ہے


اب اندھے اعتماد مے تو مار ہی بنتی ہے

حیران ہوں کے جب مسلمانوں پے اعتبار نہیں کرتے تو دوسرے ملک سے اتنی توقعات کیسے لگا لیتے ہیں

Yehi almiyah Pakistan ka ahmed bhai

 

[beijingwalker]

Pointing fingers at Xinjiang cause it's right at the border, anything anything that goes on there affects the north.

Also these are labor laws not the killing Nx subjugating of millions. If you think these 2 issues are even significantly the same then you are a sick man.

So what you said our country, our rules is just BS.

 

[Kaniska]

Prayers are required on time.

But there are other ways to compensate the prayer times. Chinese can also implement those ways but it seems they are not informed.

There are only two prayers during the working hours in normal months. In Ramadan, there is only one in working hours. Each prayer takes roughly 15 minutes to 30 minutes to complete. But I know some people who don't pray at home but always pray during working hours in Pakistan. They also like to sit, relax in the mosques for an hour after prayers. Even Pakistani employers are annoyed on this behaviour but can't do much due to religious sensitivities. 90 percent of the employees return and resume work right after the prayers and eating break that's 1 hour for first afternoon prayer. The second one is mostly 15 minutes, and that can be offered after 5 o clock as well.

Chinese employers can make it part of the employment contract, that anyone returning after 60 minutes of the prayer time during first prayer and 15 minutes after the second prayer will face a deduction in salary and it is completely legal. If the company's working hours are 9-5 with one hour break, it can change the working hours from 9 - 5:30 in the months when the second afternoon prayer occurs before 5 (in winter months).

With that said, stopping someone from fasting is not allowed. Again, if someone fasts and expects get relaxation benefits in the month of Ramadan is not on the right path. This is the whole idea about fasting that you should fast and do normal work during the day. If someone fasts and wants to sit and relax at the workplace expecting full pay at the end of the month is expecting haraam (unlawful) earning. If someone really wants to pray more in the holy month, he should apply for annual leaves.

But again saying, banning people from fasting or praying is just not allowed due to any reason, but reprimanding people who take wrong benefit of these two duties is completely lawful.

If companies run second shift, they can adjust the working hours by taking local ulema into confidence... It will be all ok after that...

On my team, there are few folks from Hyd.They have managed it nicely.They communicated in advance about their unavailability during prayer time, planned to work extendes hours to compensate it and arranged another back up resource to work when they are not available..

In a nutshell, there are many good people who are truly religious and do fasting in true sense and organize their schedule in such a way that no one will complain..

 

[HannibalBarca]

@waz @The Eagle
Even hardcore Hindus never got that far toward Pakistan on this thread...