Women Fighter Pilots in PAF

[Blackpearl]

In last couple of years, we have seen, through extensive media coverage, ladies are being inducted in Airforce. I hav some of my colleagues in PAF, and they told me that initial batch of 4 ladies, ( whom got the celebrity coverage, here and there), all hav quit fighter flyingand relegated to Cessna/propeller aircraft. I need confirmation on that. Later on, ladies are, i think, still inducted in PAF, yet they are for liaison and VIP aircraft and will not fly fighters.

The point is debateable, either to induct women in front line flying duties, or they are suited for ground brances duties

 

[khanz]

i think they should be allowed to fly fighter planes if they want I heard than women can sustain higher g-forces than men so maybe they can be better pilots.

 

[mujahideen]

I personally think that in case of war the women should be the last ones to fly.

 

[Blackpearl]

Women , physically may be better to cope with flying stresses. There are fighter pilots in USAF.

But we have to see in our social context. I think women are well suited to perform jobs in Administration Branch, Education Branch, Medical, Engineering and Metreological Branch. Flying --------> Business reserved for men(in Pakistan).

 

[Muradk]

Yes Unfortunatly only one made it to OCU but could not complete it and she decided to join her other friends in Chaklala.
Sitting at home infornt of a TV watching a Air Force Drama and than saying God I would love to be a fighter Pilot, When the time comes and you are on the Hot seat than you realise **** this is difficult. Fighter Flying Is not easy.
PAF will still keep inducting Female as GDP and finially one day one will emerge as a Fighter pilot.
I think we need more Engg female officers in PAF than GDPs

 

[Blackpearl]

What these ladies are doing in Chaklala Base.

Are they deputed on twin engines like CN-235, Y-12. This implies they are co pilots in twin crew cabins. Or they are assigned on Mushaks, Cessna 172, which means they can fly solo missions???

 

[solid snake]

If women can be fighter pilots in the strongest air force of the world, why can't they be fighter pilots in ours?

It's just a question of whether each individual can meet the strict physical and mental criteria to be a pilot, not what their gender is.

 

[blain2]

If women can be fighter pilots in the strongest air force of the world, why can't they be fighter pilots in ours?

It's just a question of whether each individual can meet the strict physical and mental criteria to be a pilot, not what their gender is.

Read Muradk sahib's point again. They can become fighter pilots but they have to be able to handle fighter pilot training. Most of the girls inducted have gone the way of attrition due to lacking in certain aspects deemed necessary to make the grade as a fighter pilot in the PAF. When a girl is able to meet the standard, inshallah that day you will see a female fighter pilot in the PAF.

 

[Blackpearl]

I think PAF is trying to examplify itself as the torch bearer of Enlightened Moderation and nothing else. This is all media gimmicks.

Can anybody tell me about lady who earned sword of honour among male colleagues, is she on active flying duty or not.

My point is PAF has tried to take a giant leap more for ostensible reasons rather driven by operational needs. Even Army has allowed induction of women, but in more relaxed enviroment, then they have to bear the stresses of front line soldiering. In Army, women are only inducted in technical and services branches, where working enviroment is conducive.

PAF, should induct pilots (women), but only for Cessna, medium category propeller aircraft (Y-12), and helicopters (Allouette III)

 

[solid snake]

Read Muradk sahib's point again. They can become fighter pilots but they have to be able to handle fighter pilot training. Most of the girls inducted have gone the way of attrition due to lacking in certain aspects deemed necessary to make the grade as a fighter pilot in the PAF. When a girl is able to meet the standard, inshallah that day you will see a female fighter pilot in the PAF.

That is the same thing I said. If anyone, regardless of their sex, can meet the training criteria, and prove themselves to be skilled pilots as cadets in Risalpur, they should be given a chance for fighter conversion training. If they pass again, they should fly fighters. If not, they shouldn't. Simple as that.

Most girls probably can't become fighter pilots, but some can, and that's why we should not bar women from induction into the academy.

 

[blain2]

That is the same thing I said. If anyone, regardless of their sex, can meet the training criteria, and prove themselves to be skilled pilots as cadets in Risalpur, they should be given a chance for fighter conversion training. If they pass again, they should fly fighters. If not, they shouldn't. Simple as that.

Most girls probably can't become fighter pilots, but some can, and that's why we should not bar women from induction into the academy.

Yes you are correct. I am in agreement with you.

 

[Venkat]

I

PAF, should induct pilots (women), but only for Cessna, medium category propeller aircraft (Y-12), and helicopters (Allouette III)

Its a clear cut case in India - women pilots in IAF are clearly taken only for Helicopter and Transport streams.

Much is invested in a fighter pilot - and a nation that trains a fighter pilot expects 15-20 years of service from him in a flying capacity.

It is unrealistic to expect women to go beyond 10-11 years - if they remain unmarried it is okay, but marraige, children, family etc will play important parts in how long a woman can stretch her career.

 

[skybolt]

 

[Al Bhatti]

Sky is the limit for Pakistan’s women fighter pilots
AFP/Islamabad

Pakistani Air Force flight lieutenants Ambreen Gul (left) and Nadia Gul in Islamabad
Ambreen made Pakistani history by becoming one of the country’s first female fighter pilots, but yesterday she was due to swap her flight schedule in one of the world’s most dangerous countries for an arranged marriage with a stranger.
“It’s all set and planned, but I haven’t talked to him,” she admits, her face scrubbed clean and wearing a Pakistan Air Force (PAF) jumpsuit — a far cry from the make-up and ornate gown she’ll wear for the wedding.
The wedding between Flight Lieutenant Ambreen Gul, 25, and an engineer from Islamabad has been arranged by their families in the best Pakistani tradition.
When she wakes up today — International Women’s Day - she’ll be married to a man she has only seen once before and with whom she has barely exchanged a word.
Pakistan is a conservative country, where the United Nations says only 40% of adult women are literate. Women are victims of violence and abuse, and the country still lacks a law against domestic violence.
But in 2006, seven women broke into one of Pakistan’s most exclusive male clubs to graduate as fighter pilots — perhaps the most prestigious job in the powerful military and for six decades closed to the fairer sex.
Ambreen’s company manager father was delighted. Ironically it was her housewife mother who initially feared her daughter would bring shame on the family.
“It was because of our eastern culture. She thought people would
say, ‘Why are you letting your daughter go out of the home?’”
She and 26-year-old Flight Lieutenant Nadia Gul say PAF is a trailblazer for women’s rights. As respected officers with a 60,000-rupee-a-month salary, they are living out their dreams.
“It’s a profession of passion. One has to be extremely motivated. I love flying. I love to fly fighter jets, to do something for my country that is very unique,” smiled Ambreen, her hair stuffed into a pony tail.
Signing up aged 18, only a handful of girls beat homesickness and stiff competition to pass a six-month selection process and graduate after three-and-a-half years of training.
“It was the toughest time we’ve ever faced,” Ambreen remembers.
During a training flight on a Chinese-made F-7, she once blacked out for a few seconds before survival reflexes kicked in.
Nadia, whose army captain husband is serving on the front line of Pakistan’s war against the Taliban in the wind-swept mountains of Swat, won a prize for academic achievement at PAF’s first women fighter pilot graduation.
“It was the first time. It was history,” she remembers, a bottle-green hijab covering most of her hair and tucked into her padded pilot’s jacket.
“I was just a girl who went to college and came back home, but now I’m in a great profession,” said Nadia.
Commanding male subordinates, they bat aside any question of sexism or men who don’t take kindly to being ordered about by a woman.
They love the respect that comes with official fighter pilot status in the armed forces — the wealthiest institution in Pakistan.
“Families are very fascinated. Everyone’s very impressed,” says Nadia, describing her husband as “very supportive” and “proud”.
Forbes ranked Pakistan in 2010 as the fourth most dangerous country in the world. Officers say only a tiny elite — and no women - actually fly in combat in Pakistan’s tribal belt, a battleground against Al Qaeda and the Taliban.
While PAF is outwardly very proud of its women pilots, some wonder privately whether women are strong enough to reach the top of the profession.
But flying transport and cargo planes, ferrying VIPs like cabinet ministers around the country, Nadia feels women’s lot is improving and takes issue with Western perceptions of Pakistan as backward.
“PAF are giving us this chance on an equal basis. It was really a bold step that the Pakistan Air Force has taken in recruiting lady fighter pilots,” she said.
In a country where extended family is important and most middle-class women rely on servants for household work and child-minding, Ambreen and Nadia may be saved some of the problems faced by women in the West.
They believe marriage and — in the future — motherhood can complement, not replace, a career, “provided you have a supportive family”.

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[syeda zoha urooj]

i think girls should be in PAF because i think girls have more capable to fly on sky more than boys .i also want to join air force in fact i am dying to join air force but unfortunately i am not allowed by my parents !!!!!