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'Wolf Warrior 2' earns $500m, breaks box office record

meh, I prefer Jackie Chan movie, at least I got some cheap laugh out of it, this one does not click, if I want to see American white boi getting killed, I would go watch British Movie or TV where the American always bad and always got killed by British Agent. To be honest, this movie does not even meet the Strike Back level, and I worked on that set and I can personally tell you they were crap.

This may work in China, because of the nationalistic thing, but this hardly breaking 10 millions mark in the west. And virtually nobody in the west know about this movie even exist.



That is what constitutes great film to these Chinese fanboi. This movie is to be honest, does not have any watch value to begin with, the whole movie is under the banner of "I am doing this for the banner and country" You may as well make a movie of Chinese National Anthem and have the main character keep killing white boi to the sound of the march, I would honestly think that would earn as much as this movie in China, because this is exactly what that kind of movie is.

The guy (Wu) can't act, the dialogue is cheesy, their movement is all wrong, they were supposed to be a special force of sort but no one ever walk tactically for the whole movie. It's like you are watching Top Gun with flag flying and without Maverick's and goose wise-cracking moment, there are none of this movie is anything remotely funny about, maybe some toward the end?

In the west, movie is less political, especially now the Hollywood need to consider a lot of backer to not piss ff anyone, and that ends up the Hollywood losing a lot of traditional enemy.

Movie an't made for westerners. When it breaks 600+ million and going in one market on a 30 million budget, I'll consider that a great success.

You have drank the full coolaid, Hollywood is full of this type of movies and it works very well in america. American sniper etc. Comes to mind.
 
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Movie an't made for westerners. When it breaks 600+ million and going in one market on a 30 million budget, I'll consider that a great success.

You have drank the full coolaid, Hollywood is full of this type of movies and it works very well in america. American sniper etc. Comes to mind.

Again, it's not anything for a mediocre movie to reach that point, this is not the first time it happened, it most certainly not the last time this happen, as with my previous convo with some one else, if Gang-nam style can have 2.9 billions hits on you tube, I mean it's not at all that hard to have a mediocre movie to reach that point. And yes, I would also considered Wolf Warrior a success because of the box office in China, and that's almost all because of the nationalistic tone. However, I would still say Wu have foreign market in his mind when he make that movie, you can see from the level of English Dialogue and the Half American Cast. So I guess for Wu, he is at least aiming for English Speaking market.

And no, Hollywood is not like that anymore, most film coming out since 1980 did not have a political overtone at it, the last of Government Propaganda with Political Overtone is somewhere between Top Gun to Black Hawk Down (which should not be considered as Propaganda as that was a true story.). Take your example to start, if you look at American Sniper closely, you can see the person making that movie despise the current (then current) bush regime for sending people to war and ended up killing the Kyle, and it's overtone is that while Kyle serve his country proudly, he was not killed in battlefield and die gloriously for POTUS and Country, plus there are a lot of questionable action Kyle have to make, and it is because the Bush government do not really care about these vet and one of these PTSD vet ended up killing Kyle. Most would consider American Sniper an Anti-War Movie, which gave hard opinion to the Bush regime.

On the other hand, this movie is not exactly just Chinese-ize (wonder if that is a word for it) but simply a patriotic overtone on the action of one man, much like what Jack Bauer did in 24, but without all these "Country, Corps and God" Complex. I don't think you will ever see Jack Bauer wrap around with an American Flag and drive past an alley full of enemy and kill everyone (Chinese, Russian, African or so on) on a truck with marching music, and I consider 24 is as political propaganda as they come, but I did see that in Wolf Warrior 2.
 
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The story about a Chinese hero & a PLA soldier save a group of African ppl in war zone ... im sure future there will be more Chinese war movie like that, Chinese doing their ways to export China soft power & Chinese value.

In West World this called "Cultural War",China wanna be a Global Power Chinese need it too. There's a question in Chinese heads, if American can save the world in their movies, why Chinese can't ? I believe "Wolf Warrior II" is a milestone movie in China history to change Chinese ppl's concept --- “After China Dream, Next Big World Dream”.

Im glad to see most Chinese like the concept inside this war movie, especially it attracts Chinese youth attention. Mr Leio and my girl saw "Wolf Warrior II" twice in IMAX cinema.
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620 million dollars in earnings already! It's not slowing down.

With Chinese box office this size, Hollywood would have to think twice if they can afford to piss off Chinese again. This is a soft power itself. I am not surprised if some Hollywood studio come to China to make a "Chinese Save The Earth" type of movie. :cheesy:
 
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With Chinese box office this size, Hollywood would have to think twice if they can afford to piss off Chinese again. This is a soft power itself. I am not surprised if some Hollywood studio come to China to make a "Chinese Save The Earth" type of movie. :cheesy:

To be honest, I need that kind of movie. Chinese save the Earth genre.
 
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The story about a Chinese hero & a PLA soldier save a group of African ppl in war zone ... im sure future there will be more Chinese war movie like that, Chinese doing their ways to export China soft power & Chinese value.

In West World this called "Cultural War", China wanna be a Global Power Chinese need it too.

I don't think this is the way to do it, you can look at how this movie do in China and how it does overseas, if you cannot sell overseas, it cannot be a soft power piece, you may as well just screen this movie in China and expecting in some twisted aspect that foreign audience flock into Chinese theatre and see it and appreciated it.

But a movie like this won't do well overseas, because it just baffle everyone. In a degree even American propaganda would not go. You need to please the people who review the movie to get in the global market, and you cannot please global critic with overtly political supertone like this.

With Chinese box office this size, Hollywood would have to think twice if they can afford to piss off Chinese again. This is a soft power itself. I am not surprised if some Hollywood studio come to China to make a "Chinese Save The Earth" type of movie. :cheesy:

Again, Chinese market is actually not that big if you compare it to the world market. There was another threat running a long time ago title "Can China be Hollywood Saviour" and the answer have already been discussed is no.

The problem with Chinese Market is that even tho they are big, there are only limited exposure to foreign film, which in itself already limited the box office a foreign movie can do in China, that mean what you see about Chinese film in China is not going to be the same as a foreign film in China. You cannot go threaten Hollywood to boycott it when you are already censoring the Hollywood movie, it just don't work like that. In term of market, India would have a better market than China for the Hollywood studio, because India does not have 30 movie quota a year and did not limit how long can a movie run in Indian Theatre.

Second of all, the Chinese market was almost always have a different taste than the world, you can see the depart of major genre from Chinese Market and the west and resulting a few movie (including this one) that do good in China but not in the west or even rest of the world. And in Hollywood, it's always going to be American first, so the need and appetite to please Chinese market to make a Pro-China film is almost slim down to Zero.

Thirdly, the Chinese did not get the key to movie making as of yet, why the Hollywood success is because they can kill their own, you may say or think American movie glorify America and go "piss off" other nation as much as you say, but in American screen, AMERICA, not Russia, not China, not Vietnam, is the main Antagonist in majority of Hollywood Movie. You look at Die Hard, 5 movie done in Die Hard from 1980s to 2010s, two film is about American Terrorist (Die Hard 2 with the renegade Army platoon and Die Hard 4 with disgruntle NSA employee) 2 is about German-American Terrorist (Die Hard 1 and 3) and A Good day to Die Hard is about Russian Terrorist. And if we are looking at Bourne, most of the bad guy is American (CIA, US Government and so on). James Patterson once said, the key to an action novel is that you need to use American Antagonist rather than a foreign one, because it added the suspense of you don't know who to trust.

Everyone can be patriotic, I can make a movie with nothing but a man waving his flag around and killing people, but some point or another, you will be bored with this pretty soon and another reason is if you want your movie sold overseas, you are not to antagonize other nation, which leave the baddies can only be from one place, which is from your own country. Hence unless I can see a Movie is about Chinese against Chinese (Renegade fraction or something like that) It won't be able to sell overseas. And if something you can't sell overseas, you can't really push soft power from it. Like this movie, there is a reason why it make 550 millions in China, but fail to go for 8 digits in the world. SO, this movie, is a domestic success (Of course, it's an above gung-ho Chinese Patriot movie) but an international failure, I just can't see who will be excited to see Chinese waving a Chinese flag and kill a bunch of white and black guy unless the audience is Chinese.
 
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Again, Chinese market is actually not that big if you compare it to the world market. There was another threat running a long time ago title "Can China be Hollywood Saviour" and the answer have already been discussed is no.

The problem with Chinese Market is that even tho they are big, there are only limited exposure to foreign film, which in itself already limited the box office a foreign movie can do in China, that mean what you see about Chinese film in China is not going to be the same as a foreign film in China. You cannot go threaten Hollywood to boycott it when you are already censoring the Hollywood movie, it just don't work like that. In term of market, India would have a better market than China for the Hollywood studio, because India does not have 30 movie quota a year and did not limit how long can a movie run in Indian Theatre.

In 2016, China's total box office amounted to 6.6 billion as 2nd largest and fast growing movie market in the world, so for any Hollywood movie industries, it is a market that they can't afford to neglect.

Precisely because China has the quota system, it makes any movie studio think twice if they can afford to piss Chinese off and say good bye to Chinese market for good. As for India movie market, it is much smaller and filled with Bollywood products, so Hollywood can't make too much there.

Anyhow, it is just a movie, by Chinese and for Chinese. Called it propaganda/brainwashing whatever, people just want to pay to watch it, and that is a commercial movie all about.

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I don't think this is the way to do it, you can look at how this movie do in China and how it does overseas, if you cannot sell overseas, it cannot be a soft power piece, you may as well just screen this movie in China and expecting in some twisted aspect that foreign audience flock into Chinese theatre and see it and appreciated it.

But a movie like this won't do well overseas, because it just baffle everyone. In a degree even American propaganda would not go. You need to please the people who review the movie to get in the global market, and you cannot please global critic with overtly political supertone like this.



Again, Chinese market is actually not that big if you compare it to the world market. There was another threat running a long time ago title "Can China be Hollywood Saviour" and the answer have already been discussed is no.

The problem with Chinese Market is that even tho they are big, there are only limited exposure to foreign film, which in itself already limited the box office a foreign movie can do in China, that mean what you see about Chinese film in China is not going to be the same as a foreign film in China. You cannot go threaten Hollywood to boycott it when you are already censoring the Hollywood movie, it just don't work like that. In term of market, India would have a better market than China for the Hollywood studio, because India does not have 30 movie quota a year and did not limit how long can a movie run in Indian Theatre.

Second of all, the Chinese market was almost always have a different taste than the world, you can see the depart of major genre from Chinese Market and the west and resulting a few movie (including this one) that do good in China but not in the west or even rest of the world. And in Hollywood, it's always going to be American first, so the need and appetite to please Chinese market to make a Pro-China film is almost slim down to Zero.

Thirdly, the Chinese did not get the key to movie making as of yet, why the Hollywood success is because they can kill their own, you may say or think American movie glorify America and go "piss off" other nation as much as you say, but in American screen, AMERICA, not Russia, not China, not Vietnam, is the main Antagonist in majority of Hollywood Movie. You look at Die Hard, 5 movie done in Die Hard from 1980s to 2010s, two film is about American Terrorist (Die Hard 2 with the renegade Army platoon and Die Hard 4 with disgruntle NSA employee) 2 is about German-American Terrorist (Die Hard 1 and 3) and A Good day to Die Hard is about Russian Terrorist. And if we are looking at Bourne, most of the bad guy is American (CIA, US Government and so on). James Patterson once said, the key to an action novel is that you need to use American Antagonist rather than a foreign one, because it added the suspense of you don't know who to trust.

Everyone can be patriotic, I can make a movie with nothing but a man waving his flag around and killing people, but some point or another, you will be bored with this pretty soon and another reason is if you want your movie sold overseas, you are not to antagonize other nation, which leave the baddies can only be from one place, which is from your own country. Hence unless I can see a Movie is about Chinese against Chinese (Renegade fraction or something like that) It won't be able to sell overseas. And if something you can't sell overseas, you can't really push soft power from it. Like this movie, there is a reason why it make 550 millions in China, but fail to go for 8 digits in the world. SO, this movie, is a domestic success (Of course, it's an above gung-ho Chinese Patriot movie) but an international failure, I just can't see who will be excited to see Chinese waving a Chinese flag and kill a bunch of white and black guy unless the audience is Chinese.

This movie is a staging ground for the domestic film industry. Because in the next 5 years, Hollywood will no longer have a monopoly on high grossing movies nor highest paying actors/actresses. Due to the high gross of this movie, expect more of this type of movies to come because now every director just saw $$$$$.

Wolf Warrior 2 is now at 716+ Million as of Friday. not bad, typically weekends get bigger numbers so will see what happens by next week. it needs to reach 936 million + to beat The Force Awakens #1 gross in a single territory.
 
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In 2016, China's total box office amounted to 6.6 billion as 2nd largest and fast growing movie market in the world, so for any Hollywood movie industries, it is a market that they can't afford to neglect.

Precisely because China has the quota system, it makes any movie studio think twice if they can afford to piss Chinese off and say good bye to Chinese market for good. As for India movie market, it is much smaller and filled with Bollywood products, so Hollywood can't make too much there.

Anyhow, it is just a movie, by Chinese and for Chinese. Called it propaganda/brainwashing whatever, people just want to pay to watch it, and that is a commercial movie all about.

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The problem is not just the Quota system itself, I know quite a few Hollywood Studio guy from my days working on film set as a Technical Advisor. The problem they all see in Chinese Market is the Quota system. Many studio wouldn't even bothered to make a movie for Chinese Audience because they think they won't be ever getting into the Chinese Market to begin with, and I am not talking about small studio but big one like Dreamworks or Jerry Bruckheimer Films.

There are not much to earn in China, yes, there may have been 6 billions USD market and 1.4 billions potential viewer but majority of the box office is coming from internal revenue from Chinese Production, and while it does "SOUNDED" appealing, that Is not the actual figure, the actual pies is not much and is MUCH, MUCH SMALLER because the Chinese market is dominated by local production to which something you can't sell overseas (So you won't touch their rights) or for the Hollywood people to take advantage for.

And to the Hollywood guys, they are earning about 2 billions a year in China, which is about the same amount they have earn in the UK. The only problem is, China does not allow residual sell, which mean DVD, direct to TVs, broadcast deals and so on. And Residual Revenue is the major part of how a movie earn its money, because it's ongoing. China impose limitation on showing and seldom buy broadcast right to movie and TV further deterred Hollywood producer trying to get into the Chinese Market.

India currently is a small market, but the potential is high, many Hollywood studio is actually rating Indian Market Prospective is higher than China in the future, because of the Indian Government view to Hollywood Production, the main reason for India being so low in the scale is because the country is poor and the movie is not one of the usual entertainment in India, but future can change and it's depending on who change first. Would China be opening more toward foreign production or would Indian became richer first? Couple with the ease and cheap labour cost to shoot movie, you would see a lot of Hollywood Production would move to India or Subcontinent for that matter.

But at the end of the day, China, in its current form, cannot possibly dictate term in Hollywood, because of its quota and censure system, many producer would simply drop China as a market, when you only allow 35 foreign movie to screen in China, and with heavy editing. Do remember, the world is a 20 billions market, nobody is going to willing to risk the other 17 billions (11 of those are in the US and Canada) just to please the 3 billions or so Hollywood can market.
 
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I don't think this is the way to do it, you can look at how this movie do in China and how it does overseas, if you cannot sell overseas, it cannot be a soft power piece, you may as well just screen this movie in China and expecting in some twisted aspect that foreign audience flock into Chinese theatre and see it and appreciated it.

But a movie like this won't do well overseas, because it just baffle everyone. In a degree even American propaganda would not go. You need to please the people who review the movie to get in the global market, and you cannot please global critic with overtly political supertone like this.



Again, Chinese market is actually not that big if you compare it to the world market. There was another threat running a long time ago title "Can China be Hollywood Saviour" and the answer have already been discussed is no.

The problem with Chinese Market is that even tho they are big, there are only limited exposure to foreign film, which in itself already limited the box office a foreign movie can do in China, that mean what you see about Chinese film in China is not going to be the same as a foreign film in China. You cannot go threaten Hollywood to boycott it when you are already censoring the Hollywood movie, it just don't work like that. In term of market, India would have a better market than China for the Hollywood studio, because India does not have 30 movie quota a year and did not limit how long can a movie run in Indian Theatre.

Second of all, the Chinese market was almost always have a different taste than the world, you can see the depart of major genre from Chinese Market and the west and resulting a few movie (including this one) that do good in China but not in the west or even rest of the world. And in Hollywood, it's always going to be American first, so the need and appetite to please Chinese market to make a Pro-China film is almost slim down to Zero.

Thirdly, the Chinese did not get the key to movie making as of yet, why the Hollywood success is because they can kill their own, you may say or think American movie glorify America and go "piss off" other nation as much as you say, but in American screen, AMERICA, not Russia, not China, not Vietnam, is the main Antagonist in majority of Hollywood Movie. You look at Die Hard, 5 movie done in Die Hard from 1980s to 2010s, two film is about American Terrorist (Die Hard 2 with the renegade Army platoon and Die Hard 4 with disgruntle NSA employee) 2 is about German-American Terrorist (Die Hard 1 and 3) and A Good day to Die Hard is about Russian Terrorist. And if we are looking at Bourne, most of the bad guy is American (CIA, US Government and so on). James Patterson once said, the key to an action novel is that you need to use American Antagonist rather than a foreign one, because it added the suspense of you don't know who to trust.

Everyone can be patriotic, I can make a movie with nothing but a man waving his flag around and killing people, but some point or another, you will be bored with this pretty soon and another reason is if you want your movie sold overseas, you are not to antagonize other nation, which leave the baddies can only be from one place, which is from your own country. Hence unless I can see a Movie is about Chinese against Chinese (Renegade fraction or something like that) It won't be able to sell overseas. And if something you can't sell overseas, you can't really push soft power from it. Like this movie, there is a reason why it make 550 millions in China, but fail to go for 8 digits in the world. SO, this movie, is a domestic success (Of course, it's an above gung-ho Chinese Patriot movie) but an international failure, I just can't see who will be excited to see Chinese waving a Chinese flag and kill a bunch of white and black guy unless the audience is Chinese.

China has yet to prove it can create worldwide cultural phenomenon's such as Star Wars, Marvel Cinematic Universe, Game of Thrones, etc. I don't think the world cares about a Chinese Rambo.
 
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China has yet to prove it can create worldwide cultural phenomenon's such as Star Wars, Marvel Cinematic Universe, Game of Thrones, etc. I don't think the world cares about a Chinese Rambo.

long journeys starts with a single step... Chinese are sure doing great in this field.
Of course there is no match for USA like many others... but many countries will reach thr...
 
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This movie is a staging ground for the domestic film industry. Because in the next 5 years, Hollywood will no longer have a monopoly on high grossing movies nor highest paying actors/actresses. Due to the high gross of this movie, expect more of this type of movies to come because now every director just saw $$$$$.

Wolf Warrior 2 is now at 716+ Million as of Friday. not bad, typically weekends get bigger numbers so will see what happens by next week. it needs to reach 936 million + to beat The Force Awakens #1 gross in a single territory.

lol.......I would REALLY like to believe that, just because something is making money, that does not mean the world need to follow, otherwise we would have all follow Warren Buffett or Jeff Bezos because they are the one that.

If China have the same level of Hollywood production, then Chinese movie would all have to reach that point and by then earning 700 millions will not be enough. Consider this, Wolf Warrior have a reported budget of 200 millions RMB, which is about US $28 millions budget, and the reported lowest salary Denzel Washington is 25 millions, that mean with that budget, you would be only able to get Danzel Washington walk around solo. You won't have budget on anyone else.

And no, I don't think China can achieve on par with Hollywood about high gross movie in the next 5 years because if it does, you will probably bankrupt the country by doing it, unless you can sell them overseas.

China has yet to prove it can create worldwide cultural phenomenon's such as Star Wars, Marvel Cinematic Universe, Game of Thrones, etc. I don't think the world cares about a Chinese Rambo.

Well, I think they are having some "Wishful Thinking" moment. It's just a single movie, that show primarily in China, that no doubt will boost the Chinese Movie industry by churning out a lot more of the like-minded movie just to get a share of that pie, but in reality, since all these movement is local, it won't have an immediate or even mid-term effect on Hollywood Dominance.

It's like saying since Luis Fonsi and Daddy Yankee Despacito (English : Nice and Slow) Puerto Rican track topped YouTube number 1 video at 3.1 billions view beating Wiz Kalifa's see you again, then subsequently all YouTube video should be made in or Pro-Puerto Rico. Because, hey, it have 3.1 billions click.


Well, I would say Despacito would no doubt help launching Puerto Rico image, well, more people know about Old San Juan and Puerto Rico and no doubt launch Luis Fonsi career (whom was unknown before) but it would not alter how Music being dominated by the US just because someone score 3.1 billions hits on a Spanish Track. And people who know nothing about Puerto Rican Culture will simply and blindly head to Puerto Rico and try to replicate the same success. That's insane to think like that...
 
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