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'Wolf Warrior 2' earns $500m, breaks box office record

lol.......I would REALLY like to believe that, just because something is making money, that does not mean the world need to follow, otherwise we would have all follow Warren Buffett or Jeff Bezos because they are the one that.

If China have the same level of Hollywood production, then Chinese movie would all have to reach that point and by then earning 700 millions will not be enough. Consider this, Wolf Warrior have a reported budget of 200 millions RMB, which is about US $28 millions budget, and the reported lowest salary Denzel Washington is 25 millions, that mean with that budget, you would be only able to get Danzel Washington walk around solo. You won't have budget on anyone else.

And no, I don't think China can achieve on par with Hollywood about high gross movie in the next 5 years because if it does, you will probably bankrupt the country by doing it, unless you can sell them overseas.



Well, I think they are having some "Wishful Thinking" moment. It's just a single movie, that show primarily in China, that no doubt will boost the Chinese Movie industry by churning out a lot more of the like-minded movie just to get a share of that pie, but in reality, since all these movement is local, it won't have an immediate or even mid-term effect on Hollywood Dominance.

It's like saying since Luis Fonsi and Daddy Yankee Despacito (English : Nice and Slow) Puerto Rican track topped YouTube number 1 video at 3.1 billions view beating Wiz Kalifa's see you again, then subsequently all YouTube video should be made in or Pro-Puerto Rico. Because, hey, it have 3.1 billions click.


Well, I would say Despacito would no doubt help launching Puerto Rico image, well, more people know about Old San Juan and Puerto Rico and no doubt launch Luis Fonsi career (whom was unknown before) but it would not alter how Music being dominated by the US just because someone score 3.1 billions hits on a Spanish Track. And people who know nothing about Puerto Rican Culture will simply and blindly head to Puerto Rico and try to replicate the same success. That's insane to think like that...

sigh, your examples are terrible. Wu Jing turn down money from investors because they wanted him to spend money on big name actors. Movie seems to do just fine with little known B-list actors. While i'm a big Danzel Washington fan, I enjoyed this film without him. And what make 700+ million gross incredible is because it's a low budget 30 million film. I have no doubt Wu Jing will have no trouble getting any amount of funds to do 150-200 million movies next. We can look at another "high budget film" the great wall, it has a budget of 150 million but it tanked and we all know the reasons why it sucked.

Your example of Despacito make no sense. Puerto is a US territory (which just voted to be a state but we all know that won't happen cause it will just be another blue state). even if it was a separate country... it doesn't have 1.45 billion people backing them lol... Due to China's scale, growth, and wealth it's a matter of when, not if to suppress Hollywood movie numbers. because let's be honest, Hollywood have reached their apex and saturation. Chinese cinema have only just began. you can live in denial but it won't change the data over the next decade(s).
 
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sigh, your examples are terrible. Wu Jing turn down money from investors because they wanted him to spend money on big name actors. Movie seems to do just fine with little known B-list actors. While i'm a big Danzel Washington fan, I enjoyed this film without him. And what make 700+ million gross incredible is because it's a low budget 30 million film. I have no doubt Wu Jing will have no trouble getting any amount of funds to do 150-200 million movies next. We can look at another "high budget film" the great wall, it has a budget of 150 million but it tanked and we all know the reasons why it sucked.

Your example of Despacito make no sense. Puerto is a US territory (which just voted to be a state but we all know that won't happen cause it will just be another blue state). even if it was a separate country... it doesn't have 1.45 billion people backing them lol... Due to China's scale, growth, and wealth it's a matter of when, not if to suppress Hollywood movie numbers. because let's be honest, Hollywood have reached their apex and saturation. Chinese cinema have only just began. you can live in denial but it won't change the data over the next decade(s).

look, you seems like you know nothing about Film and Movie industry.

Just because a film box office is 700 millions, that does not mean all 700 millions goes straight into the actor or production company. There are a lot of contribution factor as to how much the production actually earns. Taxes, Distribution, Marketing and Residual Rights. The film earning 700 millions is not the same as the production company would have earn 700 millions direct. In a conventional scale, you need to earn 3 times as much as your budget to start getting into Black for the Production Company (Where they started to earn money).

So, if you have a budget of 200 millions, that would mean if you get a box office of 700 millions is more or less at break even level. As I said, there are many film that earn big against a small budget. And with 200 millions budget, you are looking at the level of Star War : The Force Awaken level of production (Which is on a US$ 245 millions budget) I would say if Star War : TFA only earn 700 millions back is box office flop, and Star War TFA in the end earned 2 billions dollar worldwide. And estimate it have to make at least 1 billions to break even.

What you are thinking is, "Wow, Wu earn 700 millions from this movie from a 30 millions budget, then his next one will be big budgeted and it will elevated China as a whole into something at the level on Hollywood" The thing is, it won't happens, because unless Wu can find a way to ensure his movie can gross more than now, he would not significantly increase the budget of his movie. (Well, it does not count if he only increased a few millions dollars) The more budget you put out, the more money you need to earn to break even, and the money put out and came back is of an exponential rate.

And no, Puerto Rico is under US administration but in case you don't know Puerto Rico have nothing in common with the Mainland, and people live in Puerto Rico does not even speak the same language with CONUS, which mean they have a different kind of industry and different kind of culture, and hence, different market than mainland United States, I would say Market in Hong Kong and Market in China are two different market, but they do share a similar background, in Puerto Rico and US case? the account cannot be further Different, in the US, American have Day time and Prime Time soap opera, in Puerto Rico, they have Telenovela.

Not going to say can or cannot China surpass Hollywood in the future, what if North Korea nuke LA and the whole Movie Industry in US have gone? But if we are to use the current measure to put an assumption as to when and where China can reach American level? You will see what Chinese did now is nothing special actually, British have their own Billions dollars movie from a long time ago and a lot of British Movie Star are active in Hollywood scene, name like Sean Connery, Collin Firth, Emily Blunt and so on , Australia have a few big budgeted movie starting international star like Nicole Kidman, Eric Bana, Hugh Jackman, Hugo Weaving, Guy Pierce and co. Either nation have actually dented the Hollywood Market, in term of China, there are no A-Lister would be instantly recognized world wide, the question is, would China want to be more like America? Or Could China be an alternative solution to world market? If it was the first case, then I would have to say China is no where close to Hollywood. And if it is the second case, then I would have to say the world market is always going to be bigger than Chinese Market. So unless some X-Factor happening, I cannot honestly see how China can be a viable alternative to Hollywood or even, as you say, surpassed Hollywood in the next 20 years.

And you are basically wrong about Hollywood having reach its peak, the Hollywood is going strong, with each year having more audience worldwide and domestic than before, Hollywood Production have been ever breaking record. Just because in one corner of the earth one movie have some success that does not mean Hollywood is going to be replaced soon then you are probably the one that's blinded and in denial, because Hollywood Movie have a steady increase of box office over time, from earning 2 billions in 1980 to 11 billions the last year in 2016, while during the last 36 years (1980-2016) only 8 of those years have the US market retracting, they are 2014, 2011, 2010, 2008, 2005, 1991, 1990 and 1985), otherwise it was an increase of 2 % on average. So. Unless you can show me how and why and in what way Chinese 6 billions market, almost half of those were made by Hollywood production, can challenge a 11 billions market with production in US pumping out 70% of world movie revenue can be dethroned by China in 5 years or next few decades. I would really love to see that calculation.
 
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There is only one country with sizable audience on the planet that watches Chinese movies, films, drama and theater pieces: Vietnam. But since the Chinese piss Vietnam off, there is no audience outside China. Well, the Chinese can provide everything for free to their Pakistan brothers and sisters. Maybe the pak people are interested.

Well, the problem is, outside China, or outside South East Asia, most of the world have no idea what kind of culture Chinese have and that reflect very well in Movie Box Office, for a person who grow up in Michigan without any Asian Influence, he would not suddenly venture into Chinese Cinema for 2 very good reasons. 1.) Language Barrier 2.) Cultural Different. It is significantly different than say an Australian grow up in Suburban Melbourne or a British Grow up in Portsmouth who may have venture into an American movie because they share a similar culture and the same language, for a person who grow up in Linköping, Sweden, he or she would not venture into Chinese Cinema and choose Hollywood instead because of the similar culture, again, unless the person have some sort of Asian influence. (like having a Chinese boy/girlfriend or husband or wives or friends or him/herself is of Chinese Descent.)

For that matter, Chinese movie selling overseas target only 2 type of people. 1.) Overseas Chinese, which contributed to about 90% of all Chinese Movie's overseas earning. 2.) Those who share the same background to the Chinese. Which is either North Asian (Japanese, Korean) or South East Asian (Vietnamese, Indonesian, Singaporean)

I would have thought People in Pakistan would probably go for Hollywood or more closely Bollywood instead of Chinese Cinema, for starter, without Subtitle, they don't understand what the hell is going on. And even if there were subtitle. most of the time subtitle did not really translate the whole film and he or she will be ended up sitting in the cinema and scratching their head as to wonder what was going on....
 
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This movie is a staging ground for the domestic film industry. Because in the next 5 years, Hollywood will no longer have a monopoly on high grossing movies nor highest paying actors/actresses. Due to the high gross of this movie, expect more of this type of movies to come because now every director just saw $$$$$.

Wolf Warrior 2 is now at 716+ Million as of Friday. not bad, typically weekends get bigger numbers so will see what happens by next week. it needs to reach 936 million + to beat The Force Awakens #1 gross in a single territory.

Well said. What matter most is the commercial success and the realization what sort of movie domestic audience want to watch. Through this sort of materialistic populism, China movie industry will drive out foreign products further away from domestic market and also generate a China story that will slowly permeate global image and idea making.

The Western pundits and their lackeys growing green in the face and other places is a good sign and China is to continue to release similar productions. The freaking US movie industry is 90% soaked with clichés and that goes just fine.

China is learning not simply responding but assaulting. Ideationally and materially.

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Well, the problem is, outside China, or outside South East Asia, most of the world have no idea what kind of culture Chinese have and that reflect very well in Movie Box Office, for a person who grow up in Michigan without any Asian Influence, he would not suddenly venture into Chinese Cinema for 2 very good reasons. 1.) Language Barrier 2.) Cultural Different. It is significantly different than say an Australian grow up in Suburban Melbourne or a British Grow up in Portsmouth who may have venture into an American movie because they share a similar culture and the same language, for a person who grow up in Linköping, Sweden, he or she would not venture into Chinese Cinema and choose Hollywood instead because of the similar culture, again, unless the person have some sort of Asian influence. (like having a Chinese boy/girlfriend or husband or wives or friends or him/herself is of Chinese Descent.)

For that matter, Chinese movie selling overseas target only 2 type of people. 1.) Overseas Chinese, which contributed to about 90% of all Chinese Movie's overseas earning. 2.) Those who share the same background to the Chinese. Which is either North Asian (Japanese, Korean) or South East Asian (Vietnamese, Indonesian, Singaporean)

I would have thought People in Pakistan would probably go for Hollywood or more closely Bollywood instead of Chinese Cinema, for starter, without Subtitle, they don't understand what the hell is going on. And even if there were subtitle. most of the time subtitle did not really translate the whole film and he or she will be ended up sitting in the cinema and scratching their head as to wonder what was going on....
most People in the West know Chinese films as martial arts movies but then, they come most from HK. Kung-Fu panda films 1,2,3 are considered as Chinese but they came from Hollywood or the last most successful Chinese film Crouching Tiger was directed by Ang Lee, a man coming from Taiwan. Chinese mainland films are too "Chinese" for international audience. To have success in overseas, films should get the moviegoers to identify with film characters.

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@Hamartia Antidote your thoughts please

Well China makes a Rambo movie and it makes a killing at the local box office and does little overseas. That's not shocking or unexpected.

However it goes contrary to their argument that "Hollywood can't afford to make an anti-China movie because they will lose their 2nd biggest market". Well right now Wolf Warrior 2 has made almost nothing in the US market (the #1 market). So I guess according to their logic this movie shouldn't have been made...if they had switched the mercenaries to Russians it could be making an extra $800M right now. They lost $800M in revenue due to "foolishness".:cuckoo:

But movies are movies. I'm sure the makers are happy with just the take from the Chinese market...and some Hollywood company that makes some similar Rambo movie will be happy they made $800M in the US market and zero in the Chinese market.

This should be a good jump for their box office totals. Last year China did $6.2B. Don't know what it is this year (I think up 4%) but the US has already crossed the $7B mark.
 
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most People in the West know Chinese films as martial arts movies but then, they come most from HK. Kung-Fu panda films 1,2,3 are considered as Chinese but they came from Hollywood or the last most successful Chinese film Crouching Tiger was directed by Ang Lee, a man coming from Taiwan. Chinese mainland films are too "Chinese" for international audience. To have success in overseas, films should get the moviegoers to identify with film characters.

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The problem, I think is that Chinese does not have any internationally recognized cast that can be instantly associated and the representation of Chinese (Both influence from Overseas and Local born) are quite small, when you talk about household Chinese name in Hollywood, you always stopped with a few names, like Lucy Liu (Which was born in America), Jackie Chan (Kind of a type cast for action movie) and to some extend Bruce Lee (Which is again born in America) Some secondary name came up, name such as Jet Li (Like Jackie Chan but less fame) Sammo Hung (Which was active in 1990s) Shu Qi (Which not too many know of) And that's probably is all the people going to be remember.

The thing is, I can be very famous in my home country, that does not mean I will make it internationally, sure a lot of Chinese movie is quite type casting about people flying around, doing xi-gong and stuff like that, at one point someone actually think Dragon Ball is a product of China...The reason why Chinese Movie not really active outside Asia is because no one ever know about how Chinese Live and their culture, thus, no one can share this outside, and then it does not make sense it would be able to make it overseas.

And of course, what you said about how Chinese Movie being Type Cast into Kung Fu Movie does not help. People in Hollywood tend to see if there are an Asian looking dude in a movie, he or she would do something Mr Miyagi Does and kick the hell out of everyone with bare hand, and that's hurting Chinese Cinema standing worldwide.

Well China makes a Rambo movie and it makes a killing at the local box office and does little overseas. That's not shocking or unexpected.

However it goes contrary to their argument that "Hollywood can't afford to make an anti-China movie because they will lose their 2nd biggest market". Well right now Wolf Warrior 2 has made almost nothing in the US market (the #1 market). So I guess according to their logic this movie shouldn't have been made...if they had switched the mercenaries to Russians it could be making an extra $800M right now. They lost $800M in revenue due to "foolishness".:cuckoo:

But movies are movies. I'm sure the makers are happy with just the take from the Chinese market...and some Hollywood company that makes some similar Rambo movie will be happy they made $800M in the US market and zero in the Chinese market.

This should be a good jump for their box office totals. Last year China did $6.2B. Don't know what it is this year (I think up 4%) but the US has already crossed the $7B mark.

The thing is, there are only ever so many "Rambo" style movie we can take, both in the US or in the world, the first two, alright, then the last two can't even crawl back the production budget and end with a flop. And we are talking about film in the 80s, where there are not many other form of entertainment around.

Today, if I wanted see a movie just because a lot of people are getting killed, I would probably plug in my xbox and play Grand Theft Auto V, I don't need to go see a movie that simply showing a guy kill a lot of bad guy, I don't care if they are Chinese, Russian or American.

Yes, there are some sort of advantage on these type of movie, it help boosted their ego (As you can see from the Chinese Poster here) but having the thought on Chinese market is irreplaceable just because this movie did 700 millions in Chinese Alone, that is absolutely naïve and even stupid if you ask me. Of course, they can keep making these "Feel-Good" movie while earning some quick buck out of it, but if this is what the Chinese Entertainment industry going to project, I would say then Hollywood would have nothing to worry about, because doing so will never going to get traction on any international market. Which would be in turn, isolating Chinese Film industry even more.

A movie being Politically overtone is a kill switch for many people, me included I am not a big fan of Russia, but I still do enjoy Russian Movie such as "Siege of Leningrad", "The Admiral", "War and Peace" and "9th Company" (well, just showing political propaganda piece, I do enjoy quite a few RomCom from Russia too) If you look at all these movie which they all serve as a political propaganda, you still won't see what they are doing in Wolf Warrior 2.

That come back to the question, is this is a new direction from China? I would say they can keep doing that, but people outside China would keep not understanding it, and the Chinese will earn a bit of money from fellow Chinese and feeling good about it, I guess, in the end, it's a win-win to both Chinese Movie industry and Hollywood. You can earn your money which not ever going to threaten my share of the pie. Maybe the only draw back as I can see is that since Chinese is willing to pay more to see these type of movie, it will pay less to see Hollywood movie, which mean the Chinese Market is actually more and more becoming irreverent to Hollywood, that mean they are doing exactly the opposite thing than what these people said here.

And LOL, I never make the connection to their word about not pissing off Chinese as they were 2nd Largest Market. That is a good one.
 
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Good movie, we Chinese people should learn and make best film authentically Chinese to spread our culture as as American using Hollywood, a journey of thousand miles start with single step we should step by step secure a chunk of movie market on this world... of course in fair competition.
 
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Woah the desperation is strong from our american comrades and their vietnamese maid. The coming days will be harder for you guys as Wolf Warriors 2 crosses 800 million us dollars in earnings.

LOL...so it crosses $800M...why would that be hard for us to take? Making over a $1 Billion isn't a rarity these days (even "Beauty and The Beast" did it this year, there's over 30 movies that have made > $1B and 3 of those made > $2B). Force Awakens made > $2 Billion and China was only $100M of it.

The thing is, there are only ever so many "Rambo" style movie we can take, both in the US or in the world, the first two, alright, then the last two can't even crawl back the production budget and end with a flop. And we are talking about film in the 80s, where there are not many other form of entertainment around.

Today, if I wanted see a movie just because a lot of people are getting killed, I would probably plug in my xbox and play Grand Theft Auto V, I don't need to go see a movie that simply showing a guy kill a lot of bad guy, I don't care if they are Chinese, Russian or American.

Yes, there are some sort of advantage on these type of movie, it help boosted their ego (As you can see from the Chinese Poster here) but having the thought on Chinese market is irreplaceable just because this movie did 700 millions in Chinese Alone, that is absolutely naïve and even stupid if you ask me. Of course, they can keep making these "Feel-Good" movie while earning some quick buck out of it, but if this is what the Chinese Entertainment industry going to project, I would say then Hollywood would have nothing to worry about, because doing so will never going to get traction on any international market. Which would be in turn, isolating Chinese Film industry even more.

A movie being Politically overtone is a kill switch for many people, me included I am not a big fan of Russia, but I still do enjoy Russian Movie such as "Siege of Leningrad", "The Admiral", "War and Peace" and "9th Company" (well, just showing political propaganda piece, I do enjoy quite a few RomCom from Russia too) If you look at all these movie which they all serve as a political propaganda, you still won't see what they are doing in Wolf Warrior 2.

That come back to the question, is this is a new direction from China? I would say they can keep doing that, but people outside China would keep not understanding it, and the Chinese will earn a bit of money from fellow Chinese and feeling good about it, I guess, in the end, it's a win-win to both Chinese Movie industry and Hollywood. You can earn your money which not ever going to threaten my share of the pie. Maybe the only draw back as I can see is that since Chinese is willing to pay more to see these type of movie, it will pay less to see Hollywood movie, which mean the Chinese Market is actually more and more becoming irreverent to Hollywood, that mean they are doing exactly the opposite thing than what these people said here.

And LOL, I never make the connection to their word about not pissing off Chinese as they were 2nd Largest Market. That is a good one.

Hey they could make Rambo movies every week and for all we know they all could make $800M domestically. I'm not going to rule out anything. Remember the Chinese and American markets can have different tastes. Force Awakens makes over $900M in the US and over another $1 Billion overseas but only about $100M in China. Meanwhile Fate and the Furious makes only $225M in the US but $1 Billion overseas with $392M in China. Some Chinese company can easily stumble upon a Game of Thrones type hit (just not "The Wall") and make Billions.
 
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Well said. What matter most is the commercial success and the realization what sort of movie domestic audience want to watch. Through this sort of materialistic populism, China movie industry will drive out foreign products further away from domestic market and also generate a China story that will slowly permeate global image and idea making.

The Western pundits and their lackeys growing green in the face and other places is a good sign and China is to continue to release similar productions. The freaking US movie industry is 90% soaked with clichés and that goes just fine.

China is learning not simply responding but assaulting. Ideationally and materially.

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Already reach $650 Million usd and keep counting :china:
The Power of Chinese

Really Love this movie so much :smitten:
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most People in the West know Chinese films as martial arts movies but then, they come most from HK. Kung-Fu panda films 1,2,3 are considered as Chinese but they came from Hollywood or the last most successful Chinese film Crouching Tiger was directed by Ang Lee, a man coming from Taiwan. Chinese mainland films are too "Chinese" for international audience. To have success in overseas, films should get the moviegoers to identify with film characters.

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Films from HK and TW carry the same Chinese cultural theme and traits, the main difference is Mainland production are less commercialized. They are well known in art house circle, having all prestigious world cinema like Berlin and Venice film fest. To Live, Black Coal Thin Ice,...etc. You have no clue what you're talking about.

There are also great commercial hits, Hero 2002, by Zhang Yimou, one of the highest grossing foreign films in the US and Europe.

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Wolf Warrior 2 may be timely reminder of how Hong Kong can promote national education
Action film with a ‘man’s man’ as hero has become highest-grossing Chinese film eclipsing another patriotic movie, The Founding of an Army, and its ‘pretty boys’

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It is no exaggeration to say that one of the hottest topics in China is the huge commercial success of action film Wolf Warrior 2 .

While critics and fans have come up with multi-dimensional analyses and theories as to why it has become the highest-grossing Chinese film in history, it also serves as a timely reminder – if not a warning – to producers and investors on the mainland as well as in Hong Kong as the city promotes the movie business as one of its pillar industries while seeking more cross-border cooperation.

One direct lesson is that Wolf 2, even if by accident, signals the end of the industry’s overreliance on the disparagingly named “little fresh meat”– good-looking but not-so-masculine young male stars. Their bargaining power – commanding 100 million yuan or even more per film – and screen dominance over all these years may no longer be assured, given the phenomenal success of a movie that does not rely on them.

By coincidence, or as if it was pre-planned, it so happened that Wolf 2 was released on the mainland when another “theme movie” – The Founding of an Army, which promotes official cultural values – was screened across the country, including here in Hong Kong. Surprising contrasts are evident in comparing Wolf 2 with this historical film financed by mainland investors but directed by Hong Kong’s Andrew Lau Wai-keung.

Both movies share similar features: strong patriotic messages, elaborate action and war scenes, tributes to the 90th anniversary of the People’s Liberation Army and release in theatres at the “golden time” of the summer holidays.

But while Wolf 2 made history by raking in more than 4 billion yuan at the box office, and is still going strong, Army, despite the advantage of the August 1 PLA anniversary as a promotional gimmick, was no match for it.

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For those who believe that government-endorsed propaganda messages in films won’t work, Wolf 2 can be taken as an exception for one very simple reason. Whether you like it or not, as many mainland internet users have pointed out, director and producer Wu Jing made all the difference playing the hero. He is not just an action superstar, but actually comes across as a “man’s man”, as opposed to the “pretty boys” in Army.

Of course this is open to debate, but it’s worth noting that Ye Daying, grandson of the late general Ye Ting, one of the key founders of the Chinese army, wrote an open letter to authorities objecting to the choice of “little fresh meat” to portray his heroic ancestor on screen.

The letter by Ye, who is himself a film director, was signed by 25 other family members of military officials. They criticised the film for its focus on entertainment over accuracy and demanded an apology from the producers for not properly reflecting the heroic deeds of their revolutionary forefathers.

To be fair, the “little fresh meat” factor is just one of many in comparing the two major films.

As for Hong Kong, it will be worth noting whether the Wolf 2 phenomenon provides a useful takeaway for the government as it tries to handle the headache of promoting national education.

The lesson may well be that neither “entertaining” nor “brainwashing” works; it’s all about packaging and presenting the message in a way that really resonates with the audience.

In this regard, whether Hongkongers are impressed as much as their mainland compatriots by Wolf 2 when the film comes to town can serve as a good reference.
 
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