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With Vietnam's economic advance comes stark income inequality

My papa bought a house for me, he paid at sight 250 pierce of Gold (nearly 10 kg).:)

In 1999, one lady offered to buy my house for 1,000 pieces.
current price for 1 piece is about 1,650 USD / each

so your house value is about 400,000 USD in the past.
 
In 1999, one lady offered to buy my house for 1,000 pieces.
current price for 1 piece is about 1,650 USD / each

so your house value is about 400,000 USD in the past.

10 year ago, there was 5,000K VND/one piece of Gold. and now 35,000K VND/ for one piece. If my Papa is waiting until now he can buy for me at least two same size house for me. :angry:
 
You are right.
Investment is a big problem for most developing countries..
China tried many ways to collect money for infrastructure. like charged high way, national loans.
If the political issue is not that bad between China and Vietnam, it will be much easier to get China`s loan and support.
I am not clear why two neighboring countries can be in such a bad relation..

we need more money for infrastructure investment. that is the core issue. where to get the money?

at present the money comes from the state budget, ODA, loans from the capital market, international banks such as world bank and asian development bank. but that is not enough to cater our demands. little hope to get money from new chinese proposed banks and projects.

Cannot read it at all..
China has a lot of Vietnam workers now in Guangdong and Guangxi.


This H'mong people were cheated to have work in China. He escaped from China, but he lost the way to come home and he went to Pakistant.

Vo mon mat cho nguoi chong luu lac tu Meo Vac sang Pakistan

WOW!
9kg...
nearly 2.5M RMB or 400K USD
Your PAPA is a rich man!

My papa bought a house for me, he paid at sight 250 pierce of Gold (nearly 9 kg).:)
 
You are right.

WOW!
9kg...
nearly 2.5M RMB or 400K USD
Your PAPA is a rich man!

My Papa is a a mall business man, he has been sub-contracted small works on same project in Vietnam.
 
Your Papa made a lot of money!
9kg of shining gold!
Can`t imagine it.


My Papa is a a mall business man, he has been sub-contracted small works on same project in Vietnam.
 
Very little dollars for your hardworking people..
If you want to increase salary, they just gone away..
That little Dollar is helping VN to void economy crisis now. At least they wont say bye bye to VN in the next 10 years.

Who knows what we can do in the next 10 years, right :pop:
 
Your Papa made a lot of money!
9kg of shining gold!
Can`t imagine it.

"saving in gold" is our habitat here in Vietnam instead of saving in paper money, based on experiences from time of Vietnam war when the our economy suffered high inflation, even though reached 100% per year.

In China, you can produce hug amount of Gold, but it is reported that China imported so much Gold from world market recently. Is this right ?
 
China is also suffering from high inflation.
But probably 10% every year, 100% per year is horrible..

We also like gold. But usually we only buy a lot of gold for wedding.
Normal spending on gold is not much, probably 20-50 gram a year.
Yet with my income, I can only buy 500-600 gram of gold without spending anything
To have a normal life, I can only save 300-400 grams of gold except spending..
Your PAPA has 9KG, a super number!


"saving in gold" is our habitat here in Vietnam instead of saving in paper money, based on experiences from time of Vietnam war when the our economy suffered high inflation, even though reached 100% per year.

In China, you can produce hug amount of Gold, but it is reported that China imported so much Gold from world market recently. Is this right ?

To avoid economy crisis, you need to have a competitive industry which is hard to replace.
So it can bring your income balance and avoid lack of foreign exchange.
Export cheap labor and import high value products won`t bring your much benefit.
China used to do that but now China has a more competitive industry in the world.
I guess touring, fishing, transportation could be key industries for Vietnam.
Farming and manufacturing could feed your people

That little Dollar is helping VN to void economy crisis now. At least they wont say bye bye to VN in the next 10 years.
ho knows what we can do in the next 10 years, right :pop:
 
"saving in gold" is our habitat here in Vietnam instead of saving in paper money, based on experiences from time of Vietnam war when the our economy suffered high inflation, even though reached 100% per year.

In China, you can produce hug amount of Gold, but it is reported that China imported so much Gold from world market recently. Is this right ?

Saving in gold is not just a Vietnam habit but it's a practiced by by worldwide central banks. In USA, Germany, France, Italy and Netherlands, gold is the predominant form of forex reserve:

gold reserve.jpg


Yes, China despite having the biggest mine reserve in the world but still import huge amount to meet ever-increasing demand of the consumers' savings habits on top of demand from central bank:

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little buddies,come quickly, circle and watch vietnamese dirt nouveau riche!:yahoo::yahoo::yahoo:

not deny that people in Vietnam is still poor. When you take a walk on street and watching the people run around a business here, you can not say correctly that who is rich or poor.

In my small street, 1/3 of households owner private car, they considered a little " rich " in my mind. 2/3 of households own only motorbike, they considered as "poor".

One of my neighbor, who is poor following my criteria. they are living in the old two floor house, The man is track driver, his wife is take care about small tee shop, two kid go to school. Recently, it ís reported to police that a thief is visited and stolen from them 25 pierce of gold and other cash money. He is not so poor as my though.:undecided:
 
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Hanoi traffic teems with scooters, buses, compact cars -- and now the occasional Rolls-Royce. (Hoang Dinh Nam / AFP/Getty Images)
By SCOTT DUKE HARRIS


Two blocks from the new Rolls-Royce showroom with its mind-boggling prices, two street peddlers say they don't pay attention to the luxurious rides now mixing amid hordes of motorbikes. Why should they?

Ha, nearly 80, and Hien, 53, begin their days with a 4 a.m. visit to a wholesale market. By dawn, they catch a motorbike ride downtown to offer potatoes and papayas to passersby. Ha, who lives with eight relatives, said she usually earns 50,000 dong — less than $2.50 — a day. Hien, who walks a few miles shouldering a yoke-like ganh, nets about $5.

While much of its 90-million population strives toward middle-class success — with many barely scraping by — Vietnam's wealthiest citizens are increasingly flaunting their success, or excess, in an economy colored with corruption.

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A vendor rests next to a kumquat tree for sale in Hanoi. (Hoang Dinh Nam / AFP/Getty Images)
Bentleys and Mercedes are touted as signs of the nation's dramatic economic advance. Vietnam has indeed risen far from the devastation of "the American War," as it is known here, and the poverty that deepened under early mismanagement of the Vietnamese Communist Party.

But the new extravagance, some say, grates against the culture's humble sensibilities and the egalitarian ideals expressed by the still-revered "Uncle Ho," whose revolution created modern Vietnam.

"Ho Chi Minh tried to provide an example as a modest leader who was very close to the people," said Le Dang Doanh, a 72-year-old economist who advised two prime ministers on reforms that slowly moved Vietnam from old-school communism to what is now referred to as "market-oriented socialism."

"You see the pictures of him getting into the rice fields, sitting on the soil and talking to the poor," he said. "Unfortunately, these Rolls-Royce guys did not learn from his example."

Nearly 40 years after the fall of Saigon and Vietnam's unification, communist leaders at times scold their own.

"So many party members have gotten richer so quickly, leading a lavish life that is miles away from that of the workers," General Secretary Nguyen Phu Trong complained in a 2012 speech, which did not appear to alter the trend.

Widening inequality is a global phenomenon, but in Vietnam, the contrast is particularly graphic. Hanoi traffic teems with motorbikes that often carry four people or improbably large loads of cargo, such as cages crammed with chickens or a stack of flat-screen TVs. Trucks, cars and motorbikes maneuver around peddlers trundling pushcarts and bicycles loaded with merchandise. Amid all this, the sight of a Rolls seems to startle foreigners more than it does the Vietnamese.

The new wealth, analysts say, typically requires political connections that enable the exploitation of such resources as land, minerals and cheap labor. Chicanery within state-owned companies, the banking sector and government ministries, Doanh and other critics say, has prevented a more equitable distribution of prosperity.

Despite crackdowns — a wayward banker was recently sentenced to 30 years in prison — corruption is not going away. In 2014, Vietnam ranked 119th globally in Transparency International's annual survey of perceived corruption (China was 100th and Russia 136th).

The triumph of the North Vietnamese and their allies nearly 40 years ago did not lead to either the social justice that had been promised or to the wider spread of communism that Western powers feared. Under Hanoi's rule, the country's vast rice paddies failed to produce enough to feed the nation; Vietnamese imported rice for a time.

Hanoi announced a move toward a market-based economy in 1986, but internal resistance persisted, Doanh recalled, until the collapse of the Soviet Union. Without the Soviet crutch, Vietnam turned to the United Nations for help and sought better relations with other nations, including old enemies such as China and the United States.

As in neighboring China — long both a rival and role model — the Vietnamese government has unshackled much of the economy but still readily jails dissidents. These days the hammer-and-sickle is proudly flown alongside Vietnam's gold star flag at the entrance of posh Trang Tien Plaza, where the wealthy shop at Louis Vuitton, Cartier and Burberry.

Though Westerners see "crony capitalism" and consumerism driving the new Vietnam, Quan Hoang Vuong, a U.S.-educated economist, prefers to describe the new economic arrangement as "neofeudalism." For many generations raised before the advent of communism, he said, social hierarchies, nepotism and other forms of favoritism are accepted as "the normal order."

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Hanoi's opera house prepares for an open-air concert on New Year's Eve. While much of its 90-million population strives toward middle-class success, Vietnam’s wealthy are increasingly flaunting their success. (Hoang Dinh Nam / AFP/Getty Images)

A case in point: McDonald's last year opened its first franchise in Vietnam in Ho Chi Minh City. But few eyebrows had been raised when the fast-food giant entered Vietnam in a partnership with Henry Nguyen, the son-in-law of Prime Minister Nguyen Tan Dung. Henry Nguyen said he envisions more than 100 McDonald's within a decade.

A venture capitalist who was raised in the U.S., Henry Nguyen has a variety of high-profile business interests, among them an alliance with the business magazine Forbes.

Forbes Vietnam, launched in early 2014, is an aspirational showcase for the nation's upper crust. An early issue profiled the country's first billionaire, Pham Nhat Vuong, "often described as the Vietnamese Donald Trump." His wealth, estimated at $1.5 billion, derives from his majority stake in Vingroup, owner of shopping malls, high-end housing developments and the nation's most popular theme park.

Vingroup recently trumpeted plans to open 25 more malls this year across Vietnam.

If the Vingroup executive is likened to Trump, the founder of Trung Nguyen Coffee might be Vietnam's Horatio Alger. Raised in modest circumstances in a farming hamlet in the central highlands, Dang Le Nguyen Vu started by roasting beans provided by farmers on credit and making deliveries by bicycle. Now Vietnam rivals Brazil in coffee production, and Trung Nguyen is its top brand, operating cafes here and exporting to scores of countries.

Vietnam's elite now drive in luxury and style, but the broader vehicular market offers a better gauge of Vietnam's transformation. In the 1990s, bicycles were still a primary mode of transport, and three-wheel pedicabs, called cyclos, were easy to hail. Rising prosperity brought a shift to small motorbikes, and taxis turned cyclos into a novelty for tourists.

In early 2011, Vietnam edged into "middle income" status as measured by the World Bank, and now many families are shopping for Toyota Corollas or Chevrolet Cruzes. Industry data show that the volume of new compacts sold in Vietnam more than doubled in two years, from about 9,500 in 2012 to 21,700 in 2014. Those numbers would be much higher if not for heavy taxes that account for 60% of the cost to consumers for cars assembled in Vietnam, and much more for imports, said Gaurav Gupta, director of GM Vietnam. The taxes are imposed in part to ensure that a sudden glut of cars doesn't create urban gridlock.

Sales of luxury models have grown at a similar pace, reaching 4,700 total units in 2014. A few years ago, Mercedes and BMW dominated a small luxury market here; now there are also Rolls, Porsche, Audi, Lexus and Infiniti — with Lamborghini in the wings. This surge is all the more remarkable, Gupta said, given that a car that costs $60,000 in the U.S. is close to $180,000 in Vietnam.

Rolls-Royce is in a class unto itself. At the new showroom beside the lobby of a five-star hotel, the price shown for the Wraith, mid-range by Rolls' standards, was about $979,000.

The ultimate cost could wind up hundreds of thousands higher, because buyers typically add custom features such as a nameplate with their signature rendered in solid gold, said Hoi Pham, marketing director for Roll-Royce Motor Cars Hanoi. For some buyers, Pham said, "the bling" has pushed the cost to $2.5 million.

And what does Pham drive? "A motorcycle — like everyone else," he said with a laugh.

Harris is a special correspondent.
With Vietnam's economic advance comes stark income inequality - LA Times


Rolls Royce all the way baby...:smitten::tup:

On a serious note, i find it surprising that its a Chinese member who posted such a news, Since everything i red on here(which is all true by the way) about Vietnam, exists in China as well, e.g rampant state/Communist party corruption/nepotism, SOE dominating the economy and heavilly corrupt/ruled by a few clique/elite/princeling, income inequality, both Communist regime made huge mistakes in the past by isolating themselves from the outside world and unwillingly provoking an economic catastrophy/famine in their respective country, both opened up just recently few decades ago which enabled them to start adjusting/catching up on all the lost time they missed under communist ideology etc. So in short , i dont think a chinese should be trying to make fun of Vietnam or cast it in a bad light, since Vietnam is like a 'little China' ironically.:lol:

Funny enough, Vietnamese both despise China and admire it as a role model at the same time, so for China its like looking at a smaller mirror. Since any criticism China might have against Vietnam, it does have that same issue as well. hihihihihihihihihihi.

Anyway, i wish all the best to Vietnam, they are hard working, smart,disciplined and they got a good work ethics like their east Asian counterparts. There is no reason Vietnam cant be more prosperous these coming decades. I do have more hope Vietnam can achieve this even better than its south Asian counterparts. All the best to Vietnam:cheers:
 
By providing cheap house with long-term payment or providing cheap Flats could reduce homeless rate so no families would live in cramped and small house . It saves money and space.

here's an example in Jakarta

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It's just started. Currently, Vietnamese get little of support from govt for accommodation.
All by themselves.
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the average value of personal vehicle/motorbike in the street of Hanoi would be about : not less than 2,500 USD. Most of them paid 100% by cash.

So it would be an easy calculation to see that "with bank loan, pay in advance 20-40%, most of Hanoiian ( which run a motorbike ) could afford for car with price range 10,000-15,000 USD and up"

Same to house/apartment owners. Most of them paid 100% by cash and "gold" ( gold means individual savings)
 

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