With thousands of commercial vessels, how China controls the seas

[nahtanbob]

I am serious, can you tell me how you are doing it. I install, test and commission navigation radars, AIS, echo sounders and speed log on FPSOs, that's apart from the process control systems. I have a E&E degree from a reputable university with 15 years work experience spanning 3 continents. Please explain to my ignorant self how a marine radar can identify ships without AIS? How does it know that blob is ABc123 from Cosco. Tell me, enlighten me, surprise me with your wisdom... Lolol

Seriously it is not that hard identifying and tracking a large oil tanker. It is not an issue for the US Navy even to track hundreds of these tankers. Now tracking fishing boats may be another story.

 

[Han Patriot]

Seriously it is not that hard identifying and tracking a large oil tanker. It is not an issue for the US Navy even to track hundreds of these tankers. Now tracking fishing boats may be another story.

With only a radar? Now multiply it by a 1000 and see if you can identify a tanker or a container ship in the High seas without AIS. If its not an issue, then there wouldn't be pirates and Iran wouldnt be selling any oil mate. The first thing the do is turn off the AIS.

This is about radar operations, basic and advanced, and it seems you know zilch. One would think that if you claimed to work with AIS, some knowledge about radar operations would be associated with that experience. You seems to have ignored that knowledge. AIS is the marine version of IFF. Same principles but slightly different operations.

So, is it possible to distinguish out a tanker from a fishing trawler based upon surface movements? You are afraid to answer this question because you at least suspect the next question will not be to your liking and possibly expose you for the ignoramus that you are.

Again you fail to understand my question. Then why do we still need AIS. Damn, its common sense and basic science. It's always hey USA stronk, we can identify a needle in the shit pile.

 

[nahtanbob]

With only a radar? Now multiply it by a 1000 and see if you can identify a tanker or a container ship in the High seas without AIS. If its not an issue, then there wouldn't be pirates and Iran wouldnt be selling any oil mate. The first thing the do is turn off the AIS.

This is a WW 2 era problem

 

[gambit]

With only a radar? Now multiply it by a 1000 and see if you can identify a tanker or a container ship in the High seas without AIS. If its not an issue, then there wouldn't be pirates and Iran wouldnt be selling any oil mate. The first thing the do is turn off the AIS.

Again you fail to understand my question. Then why do we still need AIS. Damn, its common sense and basic science. It's always hey USA stronk, we can identify a needle in the shit pile.

I understand the CONCEPT better than you do. If you are so secure of yourself regarding your claimed experience you would have no problems answering my question. But your continuing avoidance and needless mocking of US means you know you are on shaky knowledge legs.

Again for the record: Is it possible for a radar to distinguish a tanker from a fishing trawler based on surface movements?

 

[Han Patriot]

I understand the CONCEPT better than you do. If you are so secure of yourself regarding your claimed experience you would have no problems answering my question. But your continuing avoidance and needless mocking of US means you know you are on shaky knowledge legs.

Again for the record: Is it possible for a radar to distinguish a tanker from a fishing trawler based on surface movements?

So explain to me why AIS is needed if your standard marine radar can identify a ship genius. Lolol

This is a WW 2 era problem

So explain to me how the radar can identify the ship as ABc123 from Cosco. Explainnnnnnnnn. Unless you two geniuses think physics work differently in the US compared to China.

 

[gambit]

So explain to me why AIS is needed if your standard marine radar can identify a ship genius. Lolol

So explain to me how the radar can identify the ship as ABc123 from Cosco. Explainnnnnnnnn. Unless you two geniuses think physics work differently in the US compared to China.

This is why no one should take you seriously when it comes to technical issues. I never used the word 'identify'. Only YOU did. I used the word 'distinguish' which have a different meaning and context. To 'identify' mean to have a unique name and/or designator. I never said radar can do that. To 'distinguish' in posts 39 42 45 and 49 mean to discern differences, usually notable physical characteristics between two or more objects.

Here is the difference between 'identify' and 'distinguish'...

Identify vs Distinguish - What's the difference?

As verbs the difference between identify and distinguish is that identify is to establish the identity of someone or something while distinguish is...

wikidiff.com

So now that we know how confused you really are, and that I finally had to educate you, do YOU believe that radar can distinguish a tanker from a fishing trawler based on surface movements?

As for me being a 'genius', compare to you, yes I am.

 

[kuge]

@Han Patriot is talking identifying ships of the same category while @gambit is about different category...is that right?

 

[gambit]

@Han Patriot is talking identifying ships of the same category while @gambit is about different category...is that right?

Am trying to establish his technical knowledge as how he claimed about himself. But of course, his consistent evasion is revealing his pretensions.

 

[Han Patriot]

This is why no one should take you seriously when it comes to technical issues. I never used the word 'identify'. Only YOU did. I used the word 'distinguish' which have a different meaning and context. To 'identify' mean to have a unique name and/or designator. I never said radar can do that. To 'distinguish' in posts 39 42 45 and 49 mean to discern differences, usually notable physical characteristics between two or more objects.

Here is the difference between 'identify' and 'distinguish'...

Identify vs Distinguish - What's the difference?

As verbs the difference between identify and distinguish is that identify is to establish the identity of someone or something while distinguish is...

wikidiff.com

So now that we know how confused you really are, and that I finally had to educate you, do YOU believe that radar can distinguish a tanker from a fishing trawler based on surface movements?

As for me being a 'genius', compare to you, yes I am.

Until now no cheerleader can answer me how does the super super stronk US radar can identify a ship as ABc123 from Cosco without AIS HAHAHAHAH. I just asked a simple simple questikn

 

[gambit]

Until now no cheerleader can answer me how does the super super stronk US radar can identify a ship as ABc123 from Cosco without AIS HAHAHAHAH. I just asked a simple simple questikn

Your continuing avoidance of my question probably mean someone from Sinusdefense told you I was correct, that radar can distinguish a tanker from a fishing trawler based on surface movements.

So here is the next question: Is it possible for a synthetic aperture radar (SAR) to GRAPHICALLY distinguish a tanker from a fishing trawler?

 

[Han Patriot]

Your continuing avoidance of my question probably mean someone from Sinusdefense told you I was correct, that radar can distinguish a tanker from a fishing trawler based on surface movements.

So here is the next question: Is it possible for a synthetic aperture radar (SAR) to GRAPHICALLY distinguish a tanker from a fishing trawler?

My question specifically said how does a radar identify a container ship or any other ship of similar class as belonging to. Which country or flag. Your smart *** cheerleading comrade said its possible with a marine radar without the use of AIS and now you another smarty pants is telling me a radar can distinguish between a fishing boat and a container. I mean DUHHhhhh.

 

[gambit]

My question specifically said how does a radar identify a container ship or any other ship of similar class as belonging to. Which country or flag. Your smart *** cheerleading comrade said its possible with a marine radar without the use of AIS and now you another smarty pants is telling me a radar can distinguish between a fishing boat and a container. I mean DUHHhhhh.

If you are so confident then you should have no problem indulging my questions.

So...Is it possible for a synthetic aperture radar (SAR) to GRAPHICALLY distinguish a tanker from a fishing trawler?

We already establish that based on surface movements, we can tell. Now we are looking at physical structures.

 

[Han Patriot]

If you are so confident then you should have no problem indulging my questions.

So...Is it possible for a synthetic aperture radar (SAR) to GRAPHICALLY distinguish a tanker from a fishing trawler?

We already establish that based on surface movements, we can tell. Now we are looking at physical structures.

Dude for the nth time... I asked a different question and you gave me a diff answer. Nobody is asking whether the radar can tell a tanker from a friggin fishing boat. Can the radar tell from the 30k tankers around the world which is Chinese tanker ABc123 without AIS, do you have a comprehension problem? Lol

Gosh, I feel like the cheerleaders here really lack understanding power. You just need to say hooray USA stronk and that's enough to make them high. These are scientific fundamentals man, simple science.

I have a retard telling me LNG is piped, that the Ukrainian war does not affect oil price and friggin radars can identify the flag of the ship without AIS. And he tells me he knows Ukrainian Russian, is a veteran and a trader. Hell my unemployed cousin is a trader too... Wtf

Ooo yah he tells me GOLD CANNOT REPLACE THE CONCEPT OF MONEY. whatever that means since gold had already been used as money before. Hell even seashells had been used as A fcking concept of money.

 

[gambit]

Dude for the nth time... I asked a different question and you gave me a diff answer.

Am not asking you. Am testing you.

Nobody is asking whether the radar can tell a tanker from a friggin fishing boat.

Am asking that.

Can the radar tell from the 30k tankers around the world which is Chinese tanker ABc123 without AIS,

We will get to that.

So...Can a synthetic aperture radar (SAR) GRAPHICALLY distinguish a tanker from a fishing trawler?

 

[jhungary]

@Han Patriot is talking identifying ships of the same category while @gambit is about different category...is that right?

Actaully, nobody was talking about "Identifying" ships, his original post is him challenging me how people "Know" what ship that is when they were using a primary radar.

You don't need to identify a ship to know what it was. Again, as I said before, when I am looking at a radar screen, I don't need to "Identify" the target to know what I am looking at. You know what is a Tu-95 try to pass as a Boeing and which one is Civilian Boeing 747 or Airbus 320 without "Identifying" them.

As for how people identify their target using radar or otherwise? That was another question altogether and had already answered in my post

Mr Han Job here is simply pulling his last straw.