Wireless in Gaza

[Solomon2]

Once again you can't get out of your rejectionist mentality.

You seem to have missed that this entrepreneurship is encouraged and approved by the Israeli government.

 

[Falcon29]

You seem to have missed that this entrepreneurship is encouraged and approved by the Israeli government.

Man you sink so low.

Wow how grateful of Israel, destroy everything in their land and when they look towards innovative ways to get basic human needs take responsibility for this innovation by saying we encourage it.

Just when you couldn't get anymore pathetic you strike again!

 

[Solomon2]

@Falcon29 "you need to change your mentality. It isn't that hard, I hope you realize soon enough that that is needed not just for you but for the" Palestinian "society. You need to quit it with the victimization as well. And your flawed representation of political scene in the Middle East when it suits you. People are losing patience, change your mentality for the better or else you're driving the" Palestinian "society down a path of hatred/killing which won't be able to sustain itself for so long."

That's what these young men and women appear to be trying to do. Not embracing the hatred/killing of Hamas, not wallowing in victimhood, or violent grudges founded upon denial and make-believe, but changing their mentality to build and grow and live lives without all that wretchedness and wickedness.

Note that their support is explicitly NOT from traditional NGOs in Gaza like Oxfam or Holy Land but from others instead. What have the NGOs who have been in Gaza done by comparison to Mercy?

 

[Falcon29]

@Falcon29 "you need to change your mentality. It isn't that hard, I hope you realize soon enough that that is needed not just for you but for the" Palestinian "society. You need to quit it with the victimization as well. And your flawed representation of political scene in the Middle East when it suits you. People are losing patience, change your mentality for the better or else you're driving the" Palestinian "society down a path of hatred/killing which won't be able to sustain itself for so long."

Of course no response but to copy my statement which is only appropriate for the oppressors(Israeli's).

That's what these young men and women appear to be trying to do. Not embracing the hatred/killing of Hamas, not wallowing in victimhood, or violent grudges founded upon denial and make-believe, but changing their mentality to build and grow and live lives without all that wretchedness and wickedness.

Again you are making something out of these innovations that are related to your political views and not to the article. Of course you would create a thread on this to use it to politically suit you even though your political approach is rejected by almost everyone here with exception of some(not all) Indian lunatics.

 

[Solomon2]

Of course no response but to copy my statement which is only appropriate for the oppressors(Israeli's).

Saturday, December 06, 2014
Bassam Eid: "If I start an anti-Israel organization I'd get $500K from Sweden tomorrow"



Palestinian human rights champion Bassam Eid was interviewed by Ishai Friedman for an Israeli magazine, and the interview was published on his blog (Hebrew).

Here are some highlights:


Bassam Eid is a Palestinian resident of East Jerusalem and perhaps the most uncompromising critical voice today against the Palestinian Authority and Hamas. During Protective edge his name was often seen in the Israeli media after a strong article published against Hamas in which he accused the terrorist organization of working to kill its own citizens. The article received hundreds of thousands of shares on social networks.

You are not afraid to publish criticism against Hamas, accusing them of murdering the people of Gaza?
"Yes, but it's true and it hurts. I even think that Hamas would like to have had at least 5,000 dead. T... I have a friend from Khan Yunis, he said one night, at midnight, four Hamas gunmen came and knocked on the door and told everyone to leave the house. He told them that he had ten children sleeping here. They demanded that he take them all out because they want to fire missiles from the roof. He declined sharply. The next day masked men beat him half to death, and threw them all out...

Do Gazans support Hamas today?
"Look, if the question of whether Gazans want revenge? The answer is yes. Are they supporters of Hamas? I do not think so. For one thing, people in Gaza are afraid to talk, the person who speaks is considered a collaborator and were shooting them in the biggest city square in Gaza".

And why are not you afraid? Aren't you afraid they'll hurt you? Or your children?
"No, on the contrary. Every time after I write, the reactions I get are 'good', 'You're right.' The criticism stems from the belief and perception that we Palestinians can establish a truly democratic state but For this to happen it must not be like the surrounding Arab ir Islamic regimes. If these regimes are the choice, it would be better to live under the State of Israel ".

The Palestinian Authority is corrupt?
"Yes. But say this: there is financial corruption of embezzlement Public funds. And political corruption. Political corruption is a government that Palestinian public know nothing of what is happening in it. If I want to know something about the negotiations I have to call international media or media in Hebrew. Arabic media have nothing except martyrs and house demolitions and align themselves with Abbas. I do not buy Arab media. When people call me an Arab media interviews it means I'm abroad " .

Israel also has media outlets close to the government.
"Yes, but permission is like an orchestra. Israel has much more freedom for journalists. During Protective Edge the Israeli media came out against Netanyahu and the government and the media in the Palestinian spoke of victories. Thousands of people were killed but they had celebrations. In Israeli media there is competition, [in the PA] there is no competition. "Competition" is only a beautiful picture of Abbas published on the front page. If I publish an article against Hamas it has no chance. "

A few weeks ago Eid attended a Zionist Organization conference at Bar Ilan University. There, too, Eid surprised the crowd when he ridiculed Palestinian organizations that declared a boycott on Israel. "The Palestinians are the last who can declare a boycott of Israel. Let's see what happens if all Palestinians are boycotting Israel, settlements factories, all, what happens?"

Well, what happens?
"Abbas will not feed them and won't provide them jobs. After Protective Edge, it was agreed to put another 5,000 workers from Gaza to Israel so this they boycott? I beg you you to give me more jobs then demand a boycott? And even if they prohibit selling Palestinian produce to Israel your economy will not hurt. Who would hurt are those Palestinians who earn four or five times in Israel than in the territories. "

And the Authority's statement about boycotting the settlements?
"It shows you the disconnect between the public and its leaders. That there is no boycott. There is one "hero," Mustafa Barghouti, who is a very corrupt. He stole money from Saudi Arabia meant to buy them ambulances. He states that he invented the boycott of Israel, and he tours across Europe and talks about a boycott of Israel. Every other day he is in Sweden and they listen to him but let him go and declare a boycott in Ramallah and the refugee camps. "

So the whole story is a bluff?
"This is a big hoax on the part of the Palestinians. What, Arabs from the territories do not work and buy from Rami Levi in Gush Etzion? It is not enforced and can not be enforced. Bir Zeit buys Strauss Ice Cream. Grocery store there, the seller hung a sign, this place sells purely Israeli products."

You were a researcher for B'Tselem, you've won a prize when there. How do you rate B'Tselem today?

"When I worked in B'Tselem, it was a greatly appreciated organization in Israel. I do not think the intensity of the anger that Israel today has against B'Tselem was in the past. Things have changed, also B'Tselem has changed. For the Israelis 'B'Tselem' is not considered a human rights organization. In my opinion, a human rights organization has to fight against all human rights violations no matter what happens. At the time I conducted a comprehensive investigation on the Palestinian suicide bombers and I contacted B'Tselem and asked them if they wanted to issue a joint report. B'Tselem did not like the idea and I was angry. Today all organizations Israelis and Palestinians, all of them deal with Israel. No one opens his mouth about the Palestinian Authority, the torture, administrative detentions. "

You also left the organization and started one that was critical against the PA.
"Indeed, we had a financial problem. I think our organization's policy is not consistent with the foreign policy of Europe. Sweden, for example, never gave me a penny, [because] That I am critical of the PA and they like the PA and are against Israel."

They want you to leave the PA alone and focus on Israel?
"If I want to establish an anti-Israel NGO, I promise you tomorrow I would get a half a million dollars from Sweden. Check. But the money does not interest me. I just do not understand the difference between European human rights organization that protects "Ahmed Israeli" but doesn't want to protects the human rights of "Ahmed Palestinian Authority."

Would you prefer to live under Israeli rule as an Israeli?
"I want a democratic Palestinian state. If I can't, I have no problem to live in peace under Israeli occupation. I have been to most Arab countries saw what that prisons really are, what is torture really is, there's no way I want to be part of it and I'll tell you a secret: 80% of Palestinians in East Jerusalem certainly think so."

(h/t Yenta)

 

[Falcon29]

Your post has nothing to do with with mine. If you don't want to respond you are free to leave. This man is a liar, the $500k is coming from his Israeli compatriots. He never dares to condemn PA for anything because his Israeli employers want PA to stay in power to continue accepting Israel's occupation rather than having will of people prevail.

 

[Solomon2]

Your post has nothing to do with with mine.

It's the "mirror". Accusing Zionists of conduct that's really more appropriate to pin upon anti-Zionists.

This man is a liar, the $500k is coming from his Israeli compatriots.

You just made that up right now, didn't you? Another lie-of-convenience on your part? And you were doing so well!

...his Israeli employers want PA to stay in power to continue accepting Israel's occupation rather than having will of people prevail.

It isn't democracy if it's one-man, one-vote, but only once. It's democracy when you get to organize and vote the bums out of office.

 

[Falcon29]

It isn't democracy if it's one-man, one-vote, but only once. It's democracy when you get to organize and vote the bums out of office.

Like your 'democracy' when Hamas won majority of seats and following that Gaza was blockaded(land and sea) and Israeli/PA forces closed voting poll stations in Jerusalem/Hebron and refused to allow new Palestinian government to conduct duties in West Bank.

Get the **** out of here idiot.

 

[Solomon2]

Like your 'democracy' when Hamas won majority of seats and following that Gaza was blockaded(land and sea) and Israeli/PA forces closed voting poll stations in Jerusalem/Hebron and refused to allow new Palestinian government to conduct duties in West Bank.

You understand why he's laughing, @TankMan? Because he's lying and he knows people like you enable him to get away with it.

I commend a vision of Arab-Israeli relations that isn't founded upon genocide and conflict but on building and thriving as neighbors. For that @Falcon29 wants to order me out. I'm curious to see if the moderators here will comply with his demand.

 

[TankMan]

You understand why he's laughing, @TankMan? Because he's lying and he knows people like you enable him to get away with it.

I commend a vision of Arab-Israeli relations that isn't founded upon genocide and conflict but on building and thriving as neighbors. For that @Falcon29 wants to order me out. I'm curious to see if the moderators here will comply with his demand.

Your misguided self-righteous bullcrap is getting old now, it won't work on me.
He is not lying - he is presenting his opinion. It just happens to oppose your political view, which is probably why you can't stand him and need to call him names and accuse him, just like you'll do with me or anyone else who as a different opinion than you.
That's the thing about people like you, about Zionists, they need everyone to be under them, they just can't stand it if people think on their own, if people manage to look beyond the propaganda they're constantly fed.

The only thing you commend is Israeli domination - you want nothing less. It's so archetypal of you to do this under the guise of some peaceful vision.

 

[Falcon29]

You understand why he's laughing, @TankMan? Because he's lying and he knows people like you enable him to get away with it.

You amuse me.

I commend a vision of Arab-Israeli relations that isn't founded upon genocide and conflict but on building and thriving as neighbors. For that @Falcon29 wants to order me out. I'm curious to see if the moderators here will comply with his demand.

How old are you? Like 80? My one-liner is another way of saying quit it with the nonsense. People are politically educated, we know what 'democracy' Israel and its allies are talking about. Rule 1 on political forum, don't resort to stuff that is intended for low iq non informed people.

 

[ResurgentIran]

@Hazzy
I honestly cant be bothered by any of Solomon's posts, as they are all wicked propaganda.
Once he posted an article (that he probably wrote himself) about why it was a moral imperative to nuke Iran.
The guy has serious mental deficencies.

 

[jamahir]

I commend a vision of Arab-Israeli relations that isn't founded upon genocide and conflict but on building and thriving as neighbors.

interesting... so what do you think of muammar gaddafi's "isratin" solution?? it is the most practical solution for a peaceful settlement for this problem...

 

[Falcon29]

@Hazzy
I honestly cant be bothered by any of Solomon's posts, as they are all wicked propaganda.
Once he posted an article (that he probably wrote himself) about why it was a moral imperative to nuke Iran.
The guy has serious mental deficencies.

I want him to stay here. I appreciate his presence. His threads are exactly appropriate for my rebuttals.

That's funny that he wrote that.

 

[Solomon2]

Your misguided self-righteous bullcrap is getting old now, it won't work on me.

You couldn't admit it if it did, could you? Since doing so is explicitly forbidden in Pakistan since the Model U.N. fiasco. According to your government Pakistanis may not exercise their own moral judgment in Israel-Palestinian affairs.

He is not lying - he is presenting his opinion. It just happens to oppose your political view -

It goes beyond that. As Daniel Patrick Moynihan said, "Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts." Falcon29 resorted to invention several times in this thread.

That's the thing about people like you, about Zionists, they need everyone to be under them, they just can't stand it if people think on their own, if people manage to look beyond the propaganda they're constantly fed.

The "mirror" is also a device used by people to complain about issues that are forbidden; one is simply supposed to know to substitute the forbidden nouns for the ones employed. Hard to tell what's going on here.

The only thing you commend is Israeli domination - you want nothing less. It's so archetypal of you to do this under the guise of some peaceful vision.

If the Jews of Israel wanted "domination" of Arabs why don't they remove Hamas and the P.A. to do so? Why did they withdraw from Gaza, sign agreements with Arafat, withdraw from Sinai after conquering it three times, and so on? Obviously, it's Arabs who support Hamas who are into "domination"; accusing Jews of the same is a mere invention of convenience.