Wing Commander Noman Ali Khan & Squadron Leader Hassan Siddqui, MIG-21Bison & SU-30 MKI slayers

[Trailer23]

Possible and not to forget how good are they to cover or even would have replaced/repaired during period till now.

Brilliant. For all we know, the scrap of the Su-30MKi might have (already) been converted into a Limited Edition wrist watch.

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Only a handful elite would be the beneficiaries of such a timeless classic.
Modi, BS Dhanoa, Bipin Rawat, Nirmala Sitharaman and some RSS lackey.

 

[loanranger]

RSS lackey.

funny guy

 

[Thunder-17]

Hasn't DGISPR also stated that we have shot down their SU-30MKI? Also @Windjammer himself is on record on the forum as saying that the ACM had also claimed the same thing to him (when he met the ACM on an airport) ... so has Alan Warnes stated the same quoting the ACM? Don't their acknowledgement carry the necessary weight?

Also on another thread, created by @Windjammer, he has stated that we tracked the demise of the SU-30 from 3 different radar systems. Shouldn't that be proof enough?

The fact of the matter is, we do not have any proof. If there is proof, PAF would have released it. All these fanboys statements are as good as melodrama.

What's further more, we went on to boldly claim we had a pilot in our custody. Not simply "initial reports indicate we have an injured pilot in CMH", no no no.... it was "we have an IAF pilot period". Then we had to shamelessly eat our words.

While the idiots on the other side, were happily shooting down their own chopper. But one wrong which they haven't committed is backtrack their statements. When your statements gets backtracked, you lose credibility. Their military/govt official spokespersons were consistent throughout the saga. But even they are sneaky bastards, that they didn't mention if their MiG-21 was shot down or was a technical fault. So how can we take their F-16 claim as true?

Looking at it from a unbiased third point view, The outcome of the engagement is:
1 - MiG-21 down confirmed - probability of PAF killing it is very high. Technical fault very low.
1 - F-16 claimed - probability of kill unknown.
1 - Su-30MKI claimed - probability of kill by PAF very low.

 

[Windjammer]

The fact of the matter is, we do not have any proof. If there is proof, PAF would have released it. All these fanboys statements are as good as melodrama.

What's further more, we went on to boldly claim we had a pilot in our custody. Not simply "initial reports indicate we have an injured pilot in CMH", no no no.... it was "we have an IAF pilot period". Then we had to shamelessly eat our words.

While the idiots on the other side, were happily shooting down their own chopper. But one wrong which they haven't committed is backtrack their statements. When your statements gets backtracked, you lose credibility. Their military/govt official spokespersons were consistent throughout the saga. But even they are sneaky bastards, that they didn't mention if their MiG-21 was shot down or was a technical fault. So how can we take their F-16 claim as true?

Looking at it from a unbiased third point view, The outcome of the engagement is:
1 - MiG-21 down confirmed - probability of PAF killing it is very high. Technical fault very low.
1 - F-16 claimed - probability of kill unknown.
1 - Su-30MKI claimed - probability of kill by PAF very low.

The fact is every Tom, Dick and Harry with access to internet considers himself as some military historian or expert.
I was fortunate enough to have a personal conversation with the PAF Boss on this matter alas i don't doubt for a minute the claim of an SU-30 kill by PAF, furthermore a reputable journalist like Alan Warnes will not do his reputation any benefits by openly disclosing that he has seen proof to the effect.
Forget all this, do you think the PAF is shooting in the dark by releasing the victim's unit number and call sign aka 221 Squadron call sign ''Avenger''. While PAF refuted all the claim against it's F-16 by having neutral observers count the fleet and otherwise, i don't see any denial forthcoming from the other side.

 

[aliyusuf]

But one wrong which they haven't committed is backtrack their statements.

This statement of yours ended any chance of me responding positively to your post.

Also @Windjammer has answered the rest your post quite nicely.

 

[loanranger]

The fact of the matter is, we do not have any proof. If there is proof, PAF would have released it. All these fanboys statements are as good as melodrama.

What's further more, we went on to boldly claim we had a pilot in our custody. Not simply "initial reports indicate we have an injured pilot in CMH", no no no.... it was "we have an IAF pilot period". Then we had to shamelessly eat our words.

While the idiots on the other side, were happily shooting down their own chopper. But one wrong which they haven't committed is backtrack their statements. When your statements gets backtracked, you lose credibility. Their military/govt official spokespersons were consistent throughout the saga. But even they are sneaky bastards, that they didn't mention if their MiG-21 was shot down or was a technical fault. So how can we take their F-16 claim as true?

Looking at it from a unbiased third point view, The outcome of the engagement is:
1 - MiG-21 down confirmed - probability of PAF killing it is very high. Technical fault very low.
1 - F-16 claimed - probability of kill unknown.
1 - Su-30MKI claimed - probability of kill by PAF very low.

Either you are not from Pakistan or you dont have a brain. What ever logic screams you say the exact opposite....

 

[Irfan Baloch]

Either you are not from Pakistan or you dont have a brain. What ever logic screams you say the exact opposite....

dont gang on him

he has an opinion that doesn't match with PAF narrative

that's fine

 

[loanranger]

dont gang on him

he has an opinion that doesn't match with PAF narrative

that's fine

Ok ,Freedom of speech shall be upheld at PDF.

 

[Windjammer]

Bison Blaster Preparing For Another Hunt.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

dont gang on him

he has an opinion that doesn't match with PAF narrative

that's fine

we are not Saudis or Indians who have people lynched for speaking against national narrative.
as long as someone is not trolling and giving an alternate view with some reasoning its fine.
it helps you sharpen your own argument and don't become lazy. remember we are not just preaching the converted but we have international audience as well.
one day the world will see the undeniable truth of our victory on 27 Feb.

 

[Rahil khan]

The fact of the matter is, we do not have any proof. If there is proof, PAF would have released it. All these fanboys statements are as good as melodrama.

What's further more, we went on to boldly claim we had a pilot in our custody. Not simply "initial reports indicate we have an injured pilot in CMH", no no no.... it was "we have an IAF pilot period". Then we had to shamelessly eat our words.

While the idiots on the other side, were happily shooting down their own chopper. But one wrong which they haven't committed is backtrack their statements. When your statements gets backtracked, you lose credibility. Their military/govt official spokespersons were consistent throughout the saga. But even they are sneaky bastards, that they didn't mention if their MiG-21 was shot down or was a technical fault. So how can we take their F-16 claim as true?

Looking at it from a unbiased third point view, The outcome of the engagement is:
1 - MiG-21 down confirmed - probability of PAF killing it is very high. Technical fault very low.
1 - F-16 claimed - probability of kill unknown.
1 - Su-30MKI claimed - probability of kill by PAF very low.

It's not about the probabilities. It's all about credibility. Indian Airfoce lost it's credibility once they claimed that over 250 militants were killed with just their 5 bombs dropped at Balakot. As per our Deputy Chief of Air Staff said that enemy violated Pakistani territory with 12 Mirages...dropped only 4 bombs and all of them were off target which reflects a thoroughly unprofessional Airforce...In response PAF retaliated in a broad daylight after DG ISPR asked them to wait for our surprise. Ask Alan Warnes who enjoy enough credibility and reputation whether Indian Su 30 was shot down or not on that day ?

Furthermore, in modern era where every one has smartphone cameras along with 4G internet access, videos of the presumably F-16 wreckage would have spread like a wild fire. Also here to mention that Kashmiris inside Pakistani territory have full access to internet and other facilities unlike Indian Occupied territory where people are denied from their fundamental basic rights.

 

[loanranger]

Also here to mention that Kashmiris inside Pakistani territory have full access to internet and other facilities unlike Indian Occupied territory where people are denied from their fundamental basic rights.

Yes exactly the reason why the Su30 wreckage could not be brought on to social media also luckily by chance it passed through an area which was less populated and thus lesser eyes or mobiles to record.

 

[Thunder-17]

If that is the case, why not release the captured pilot's photograph. Why is it so hard? We have a solid proof on our side, just release the damn thing, just like we paraded abhinadhan! The fact that we cannot, speaks volumes of our silly propaganda.
If a murder was committed and if the accused is named, police will not believe statements of the accused's family and friends. They will only give statements supporting him. What is proof is statement from a third party or object evidence like a fuckin dead body.

Alan warnes is PAF's buddy. He gets all the sweet exclusives. The last thing he will do is write a damning report against the hand which feeds him. The rest are unnamed sources.

Release the damn photograph!!! Release it!!!!!

It's not about the probabilities. It's all about credibility. Indian Airfoce lost it's credibility once they claimed that over 250 militants were killed with just their 5 bombs dropped at Balakot. As per our Deputy Chief of Air Staff said that enemy violated Pakistani territory with 12 Mirages...dropped only 4 bombs and all of them were off target which reflects a thoroughly unprofessional Airforce...In response PAF retaliated in a broad daylight after DG ISPR asked them to wait for our surprise. Ask Alan Warnes who enjoy enough credibility and reputation whether Indian Su 30 was shot down or not on that day ?

Furthermore, in modern era where every one has smartphone cameras along with 4G internet access, videos of the presumably F-16 wreckage would have spread like a wild fire. Also here to mention that Kashmiris inside Pakistani territory have full access to internet and other facilities unlike Indian Occupied territory where people are denied from their fundamental basic rights.

Their airforce did not claim 250 were killed. They only claimed the target was hit. Those pussies did not even release what weapons were used. It's only their stupid media which went on to report all this information that some Israeli missile was used and all that crap. They didn't release any information, which is the reason why I don't trust their statements as well.

 

[Rain]

PAF claim shooting down SU 30, PAF will not clain it with out solid evidences, otherwise PAF wont play Politics like Other Guys in Khaki do. We Trust PAF.

 

[Taimoor Khan]

Bison Blaster Preparing For Another Hunt.


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That's SU30 kill, I was thinking, throughout the history of F16 program, the Americans, the Israelis and even us during first afghan war, this has to he its biggest prey up till now.