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Will Reconsider FGFA if given Joint-Ownership of Technology : India to Russia
Published July 8, 2018 | By admin
SOURCE: PTI

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India has conveyed to Russia its unwillingness to go ahead with the joint development of a fifth-generation fighter aircraft (FGFA) primarily due to high cost involved in the project, official sources said. They, however, said the negotiations between the two countries on the much ambitious project have not yet been shelved as India was ready to have a re-look at co-development of the jet if an appropriate cost sharing formula between the two countries was arrived at.

India and Russia had signed an inter-governmental agreement for the mega project in 2007, vowing to take the military ties between the two strategic partners to the next level.

However, the project has been stuck for the last 11 years as there have been serious differences between the two sides on sharing cost of developing the jet, technologies to be used in it and number of aircraft to be produced.

The sources said the cost of the project has been estimated at around USD 30 billion or Rs 2 lakh crore.

“Our position on various aspect of the project, including the cost component, has been conveyed to the Russian side and there has been no resolution to the issues yet,” a top official involved in the negotiations with the Russia over the project said.

In December 2010, India had agreed to pay USD 295 million towards the preliminary design of the fighter jet.

Later, both sides had expressed intent to contribute each USD 6 billion for final design and production of the aircraft in the first phase.

However, they could not come out with a final agreement on it.

“We have not closed our door on the project,” the sources said.

It is learnt that India was insisting on equal rights over the technology to be used in the aircraft but Russia was not ready to share all the critical technologies of the plane with New Delhi.

In the negotiations for the project, India had insisted that it must get all the required codes and access to critical technology so that it can upgrade the aircraft as per its requirements, sources said.

In February 2016, both the countries had revived talks on the project after a clearance from then Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar.

Sources said both sides were attempting to thrash out the sticky issues but added that India was not optimistic that the project will fructify due to cost involved in the project.

Interestingly, state-run aerospace behemoth Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL) is strongly pitching for the fifth-generation fighter jet project.

The HAL feels the multi-billion dollar project will provide India a significant opportunity to encourage its aerospace sector as no country has ever offered such critical technologies to India.

There have been indications from the Indian Air Force that it was not very keen to pursue the project in view of the high cost.
http://idrw.org/will-reconsider-fgfa-if-given-joint-ownership-of-technology-india-to-russia/
 
Am I missing something here?

"Joint development" cannot happen anymore as the Russians have pretty much finished the development of the project.
You are missing the key. Transfer of technology.:) And Russia has made testing Models. Not yet in mass numbers.
 
You are missing the key. Transfer of technology.:) And Russia has made testing Models. Not yet in mass numbers.

What "transfer of technology"?

Russia will never allow India to get it's hands on the SU-57 engine or radar for any money.
 
What "transfer of technology"?

Russia will never allow India to get it's hands on the SU-57 engine or radar for any money.
A jet has only Radar and Engine?

Please don't make assumptions. Who says anything about Jet Engine? Do you even read the articles properly?
India does not expect anyone to share Jet Engine tech.
 
A jet has only Radar and Engine?

Please don't make assumptions. Who says anything about Jet Engine? Do you even read the articles properly?
India does not expect anyone to share Jet Engine tech.

What exactly does India want dude?
 
Read the article Dude. I have no time to spoon feed.

Not a bright fellow are you dude?:lol:

As per article "India had insisted that it must get all the required codes and access to critical technology so that it can upgrade the aircraft as per its requirements", a comprehensive technical breakdown of the radar, FBW and EW systems no less. So why argue when I stated that Russia will never give the SU-57s radar tech to India?

You Indians and your delusions of tech transfer.
 
Russians always give assistance with long strings attached ... frankly I'm surprised it took the Indian government this long to realize that the FGFA was a big money trap.

What "transfer of technology"?

Russia will never allow India to get it's hands on the SU-57 engine or radar for any money.
India does not have a single operable indigenous gas turbine ... even if Russia suddenly transferred engine technology to India, it will be of little use.
 
Russians always give assistance with long strings attached ... frankly I'm surprised it took the Indian government this long to realize that the FGFA was a big money trap.


India does not have a single operable indigenous gas turbine ... even if Russia suddenly transferred engine technology to India, it will be of little use.

India developed the Kaveri turbofan.

They can use the blueprints from SU-57 engine to help develop their own engine.
 
India developed the Kaveri turbofan.

They can use the blueprints from SU-57 engine to help develop their own engine.
Is the Kaveri in operation at all with active IAF fighters? To develop a suitable engine, India has to first master a first generation single crystal superalloy, which it hasn't. Let's not run before we can walk. It would be like a senior programmer giving the source code to a 9th grade computer science student ...
 
Is the Kaveri in operation at all with active IAF fighters?

Does not matter.

India has a pre-existing base to work from and so will learn a lot from the Russian engine.
They may not be able to replicate it exactly but their engine tech will go up by leaps and
bounds.
 
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Is the Kaveri in operation at all with active IAF fighters? To develop a suitable engine, India has to first master a first generation single crystal superalloy, which it hasn't. Let's not run before we can walk. It would be like a senior programmer giving the source code to a 9th grade computer science student ...
Kaveri is mature enough to fly as certified by Safran. It's just underpowered for our fighters. Thanks to our governmental incompetence, it's yet to be on a test fighter jet, but this doesn't discount the fact that India has developed a mature engine and is ready to go further and/or absorb tech.

Not that we'll get any tech from anyone.
 
Kaveri is mature enough to fly as certified by Safran. It's just underpowered for our fighters. Thanks to our governmental incompetence, it's yet to be on a test fighter jet, but this doesn't discount the fact that India has developed a mature engine and is ready to go further and/or absorb tech.

Not that we'll get any tech from anyone.

India Gabe been on its knees begging for engine technology. As India gain independence through begging, its trying to be a Supa Powa through begging. Disgusting.
 
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