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Will Prime Minister Modi make peace with Pakistan?

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If the BJP forms the government after the Lok Sabha elections to be held in April-May 2014, will the relations of the two countries again go on a war and peace binge? What makes the situation more intriguing is that Nawaz Sharif is back in power in Pakistan and placed quite comfortably in the new democratic setup.

One can be sure then that however ignitable the BJP may be, or may seem to be, it understands what exactly fire can and cannot do. No war is good news. But that’s only half of the India-Pakistan story. The whole region has waiting since ages for the other half. Can BJP make peace with Pakistan?

A good part of the peace overture of BJP’s earlier government can certainly be attributed to the acumen and the gentleman repute of its leader, Atal Bihari Vajpayee. He is no more there. The party is now contesting elections under the leadership of its Gujrat Chief Minister, Narendra Modi.

Modi has two claims to fame, one is the Gujrat pogrom and the other is his so-called Gujrat model of development.

The Gujrat pogrom or the anti-Muslim riots in the state of Gujrat happened in February-March 2002 – that is in the middle of Operation Parakram, the great Indo-Pak military mobilisation. Narendra Modi was heading the BJP’s government in Gujrat. The riots that took 1000 to 2000 lives are seen as another major event in the regions treacherous communal history.

Modi has faced a range of charges from plotting and abetting the riots to not doing enough to prevent them. The courts have, however, not been able to pin him down, but in popular perceptions he is identified not only as the person responsible for the Gujrat killings but also as an ardent anti-Muslim and communalist politician.

The Gujrat pogrom is used by militant groups in Pakistan, like Jamaat-ud-Dawa, to whip up anti-India, anti-Hindu sentiments among their cadres and sympathisers. They present it is the latest and undeniable proof of Hindu cruelty towards Muslims. Pictures of charred bodies ostensibly of Muslim victims of Gujrat adorn their banners. Modi makes a perfect Hindu effigy that is burnt at the end of each of their rallies.

So, can Modi ride a bus to cross Wagha to meet Sharif at his Raiwind palace?

L K Advani was also implicated for a role in the demolition of the Babri mosque in 1992 but that did not bar Vajpayee or Nawaz Sharif to take a peace initiative. Can we then assume that riots tainted Modi won’t face a hurdle either?

I am afraid Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif will find it a bit difficult to shake hands with Modi even if he comes clad in a green kurta, instead of a saffron one. Sharif might put too much at stake if he dares to do so, or so it seems at the moment, given the current balance of power among and within various state and non-state actors in Pakistan.

Considering the recent backtracking by his government on important diplomatic appointments, it is evident that Sharif will not poke into the beehive. Another hard pre-condition for him will be to bring Imran Khan on board because if PTI decides to stand against the initiative, Sharif will risk losing some turf to him in its power base, Punjab. Add to this, the complexity of the situation at the western border which too, is a vicious mix of state and non-state actors; at a time when the US is withdrawing from the region. The uncertainties of the western side will cast a long shadow on the east side.

Modi himself might face a somewhat similar situation at home with the far right pressing for some tough pre-conditions for talks with Pakistan.

Because of the Gujrat-pogrom, Modi does not cut the right figure for leading a public and popular act to end the Indo-Pak conflict. He has a negative aura and carries heavy baggage. He will probably have to find his double to do the job. Can the other Modi, the Gujrat-Model one, fill in and pull out some tricks?

His model rests on attracting and facilitating large capital inflows and undertaking mega projects that make ‘development’ look sexy. (Interestingly, the ruling party in Pakistan shares the same percepts about development.) What could the same approach do in the context of India-Pakistan relations? I think it will be difficult to achieve any major improvements in the investment environ in the immediate future, as investors take into considerations a lot of other factors, besides governmental agreements, before actually venturing into a new market.

Do we then end up with the lackluster CBMs like the enlargement of the list of tradable commodities, while the major discourse in both the countries remain dominated by the anti-each other sloganeering?

With Modi in saddle, war may not become a probability but chances of peace do not brighten either.


Will Prime Minister Modi make peace with Pakistan? - DAWN.COM

I think relations between both our countries will probably head South initially as Modi will try and pander to public sentiment, what with the ceasefire violations taking place even today.

Call me a pessimist but relations with Pakistan don't seem very bright, if Modi becomes PM.

What do you guys think?


I think i have a different opinion...Somehow i feel that Modi as a PM aspiring candidate will be different than the Modi as the PM in a good way...He will try to make good friendship with Pakistan.Because being the rightist party of India gives some flexibility to take some extra steps that no one will question wrt to relation with Pakistan..which is not the case with Congress Party...
 
What a clown are you ?? :rofl::rofl:

Sorry i' am not your papa or any other relative. Give respect to earn respect.

First of all NaMo never applied for US visa..

In 2005, Mr. Modi applied for but was denied a “diplomatic visa” under 214(b) of the U.S. Immigration and Nationality Act and his existing tourist/business visa was revoked under Section 212 (a)(2)(g) of the Act.

First learn something then open your mouth dear.

Second question Is US equivalen to UN ??

US is not equal to UN but one cannot deny the massive influence of US on UN.

Third question if US invites him as Indian PM then would butthurt like you stop calling him by adjectives.

Don't post "if's" & "buts". We can say "if he apologize" or "if he surrender himself to International court & accept his terrorism against Muslims"...so "ifs" make no sense at all.

Fourth question even muslim countries like KSA, Iran and even your country doesn' have any issues regarding visa.

I' am not from KSA or Iran. My country is Pakistan & United States. Majority of Pakistanis call modhi a terrorists...for govt he is a non issue & insignificant & i haven't read any statement from GoP. As for US read my reply to your first question please.

Any Tom , Dick and Harry can rant like that day in and day out without making any difference. :lol: What matters is world opinion ie UN's mandate.

When did UN give Govt of India the mandate to support terrorists in East Pakistan, SriLanka, Nepal, Pakistan of today, IOK & Indian states of Gujarat, Punjab?
 
Stop farting around in the dark.
Modi never requested visa to USA.
You are being an hypocrite, you say no proof against musharraf but try modi in internation courts, I thought you might have improved your logical ability while dealing with americans, but you are still intellectually bankrupt who once evem claimed only 40000 troops were in East pakistan in 71 while there were 93000+ POW. No go back and enroll yourself in some school, your madrassa washed brain is not compatible with a logical debate.

Mr dumb mandir or mandira educated duffer learn to find facts instead of trusting your Indian army's propaganda.

In 2005, Mr. Modi applied for but was denied a “diplomatic visa” under 214(b) of the U.S. Immigration and Nationality Act and his existing tourist/business visa was revoked under Section 212 (a)(2)(g) of the Act.

U.S. holds firm on Modi visa denial - The Hindu

I thought you might have improved your logical ability while dealing with americans,

What do you mean by "dealing with Americans"? I' am a proud American...oh sorry...you won't understand this.


but you are still intellectually bankrupt who once evem claimed only 40000 troops were in East pakistan in 71 while there were 93000+ POW.

Mr dumb as i said try to search for facts instead of f@rting nonsense. There were 40k-42k Pakistani soldiers & rest were Pakistani govt officials, police/paramilitary personals, etc etc. You just get one 93k figure & your army & media painted it as Pakistani troops by time...just like that fake 3M figure.:rofl::lol:

Well, the world does not go around basis your whims and fancies.. Its Musharraf who is being tried for both the murders (hence my reference to him being a serial murderer) and for being a traitor. Don't see you guys getting all upset about a traitor and killer like him spending 8 years as the leader of Pakistan

All political case...btw at least he is on trial even after remaining COAS & President of a country.

Musharraf is not the topic...i know you guys know the art of trolling & dragging off topics but can you kindly remain on topic that is about modhi the old terrorist?
 
Mr dumb mandir or mandira educated duffer learn to find facts instead of trusting your Indian army's propaganda.



U.S. holds firm on Modi visa denial - The Hindu



What do you mean by "dealing with Americans"? I' am a proud American...oh sorry...you won't understand this.




Mr dumb as i said try to search for facts instead of f@rting nonsense. There were 40k-42k Pakistani soldiers & rest were Pakistani govt officials, police/paramilitary personals, etc etc. You just get one 93k figure & your army & media painted it as Pakistani troops by time...just like that fake 3M figure.:rofl::lol:



All political case...btw at least he is on trial even after remaining COAS & President of a country.

Musharraf is not the topic...i know you guys know the art of trolling & dragging off topics but can you kindly remain on topic that is about modhi the old terrorist?
There is no education in madir dumb, its not a madrassa to brainwash kids to do suicide bombings. The whole world knows who is bta brainwashed and spreading propaganda.

For a second do some reaserch on the no of personel that were POW. 54000+ were army soldiers, 800 PAF and some navy with others being paramilitary + civilians.
So if we take your figurs of 40k into account without a single casualty, where did those extra 15k came from?

Caling a person a terrorist doesn't make him one. If you have guts and believe what you say, go file a case against him in international courts. The congress is trying to find a single piece of evidence from past 10 years with no luck, but you can tru yours.

And as for going off topic, it was you retard that started with "modhi the terrorist" while topic is regarding peace with pakistan. There are many in India who want criminals from your country to be killed. That does not make them all Hindu's. They are Indians, unlike you clowns who just cry for your muslim brothers while shielding terrorists in your backyard (Dawood?).

Its because of people like you, the world sees pakistan as terrorist state.
Try to be a pakistani first and a muslim afterwards.
 
All political case...btw at least he is on trial even after remaining COAS & President of a country.

Musharraf is not the topic...i know you guys know the art of trolling & dragging off topics but can you kindly remain on topic that is about modhi the old terrorist?

Murdering and treason is a political issue in Pakistan ?? huh?

While the topic is about Modi, I am questioning Pakistanis' right to call him anything when they themselves are so much in love with a serial murderer and a traitor..

You are mistaking him with nehroo & gandhi terrorism. Well can't blame you...seems like you grew up with this propaganda & no one can correct a brain washed person like this.

Oh! So as per Pakistani books, it was Nehru and Gandhi who sent in irregular terrorists into Kashmir in 1947/48 ? Rest of the world believes it was Jinnah, who personally authorized that pillage after the British commander of Pakistani army refused to launch attack on Kashmir
 
Sorry i' am not your papa or any other relative. Give respect to earn respect.
You mean you call your abba by calling him clown. :rofl:
US is not equal to UN but one cannot deny the massive influence of US on UN.
It's just a another country it's massive influence has not even affected the opinion of muslim countries. :rofl:

Don't post "if's" & "buts". We can say "if he apologize" or "if he surrender himself to International court & accept his terrorism against Muslims"...so "ifs" make no sense at all.
Why don't you ask your government to move a resolution in UN to declare
him terrorist ??
I' am not from KSA or Iran. My country is Pakistan & United States. Majority of Pakistanis call modhi a terrorists...for govt he is a non issue & insignificant & i haven't read any statement from GoP. As for US read my reply to your first question please.

Earlier too I gave you the link to chew on your government's stand on Modi and I think GOP represents the sentiments of wider mass better than individuals on this forum . Take it once more

Pakistan ready to work with Modi Sartaj Aziz Lastupdate:- Sat, 16 Nov 2013 18:30:00 GMT GreaterKashmir.com

When did UN give Govt of India the mandate to support terrorists in East Pakistan, SriLanka, Nepal, Pakistan of today, IOK & Indian states of Gujarat, Punjab?


Waky Waky Kido :lol: There was no terrorism sponcered by India in these countries.
 
Yeas he will , all this swagger about being tough against Pakistan is nothing but a pre poll strategy . after the elections (if he wins) he will definitely look towards peace with Pakistan
 
You mean you call your abba by calling him clown. :rofl:

Nope you get it completely wrong...i wrote in simple grade first English that i' am not you papa so don't call me by the name that you have reserved already for your abba jee. Agar Angrezi mein samajh nahi aaye tou phir batana mein Urdu mein samjha dunga.

It's just a another country it's massive influence has not even affected the opinion of muslim countries. :rofl:

Well the US has not even show it's 1% concern over modhi the old terrorist. If US decide to go against him then modhi the old terrorist cannot be saved by any one.

Why don't you ask your government to move a resolution in UN to declare
him terrorist ??

Well for our US govt he is an insignificant useless person. He is just banned from entering the US due to his terrorism against Muslims.

Earlier too I gave you the link to chew on your government's stand on Modi and I think GOP represents the sentiments of wider mass better than individuals on this forum . Take it once more

Pakistan ready to work with Modi Sartaj Aziz Lastupdate:- Sat, 16 Nov 2013 18:30:00 GMT GreaterKashmir.com

Pakistani govt doesn't reflect the sentiments of ordinary Pakistani citizens. This is a fact.

Waky Waky Kido :lol: There was no terrorism sponcered by India in these countries.

Stop living in denial. Ask the people of these countries. Even Bangladeshis are now understanding what really happened.
 
There is no education in madir dumb, its not a madrassa to brainwash kids to do suicide bombings. The whole world knows who is bta brainwashed and spreading propaganda.

Just like you ranting nonsense about madrassa...i return the same medicine to you. mandira brain wash kids & most Indians are living proof of that.

For a second do some reaserch on the no of personel that were POW. 54000+ were army soldiers, 800 PAF and some navy with others being paramilitary + civilians.
So if we take your figurs of 40k into account without a single casualty, where did those extra 15k came from?

lol at least you backed from your 93000+ figure.:lol: Kindly explain how did you get 54000 Army soldiers figure.

Caling a person a terrorist doesn't make him one. If you have guts and believe what you say, go file a case against him in international courts. The congress is trying to find a single piece of evidence from past 10 years with no luck, but you can tru yours.

His actions made people call him that. If he is so clean he should surrender himself to American or International courts.

And as for going off topic, it was you retard that started with "modhi the terrorist" while topic is regarding peace with pakistan. There are many in India who want criminals from your country to be killed. That does not make them all Hindu's. They are Indians, unlike you clowns who just cry for your muslim brothers while shielding terrorists in your backyard (Dawood?).

I' am pretty sure there are many people who qualify to be a PM for India but Indians jumping for a terrorist modhi is just surprising.

Its because of people like you, the world sees pakistan as terrorist state.

Kindly STFU...when you got nothing to post you start with personal attacks. Next time i'll hit the report button.

Try to be a pakistani first and a muslim afterwards.

Yes i' am a Proud Pakistani & Proud American. You are no one to tell me what should i first be. My religion is my personal belief & it have nothing to do with my countries.
 
Murdering and treason is a political issue in Pakistan ?? huh?

lol why posting like dumb? Try to understand the post & then reply. What i said was that all political made cases. Just revenge of Cheap Justice & Nawaz Shareef...both were kicked out by Musharraf so they are now doing their politics.

While the topic is about Modi, I am questioning Pakistanis' right to call him anything when they themselves are so much in love with a serial murderer and a traitor..

Strange that still he is not banned anywhere in the world...but it is strange only for your types because except your types no one see him like that.

Oh! So as per Pakistani books, it was Nehru and Gandhi who sent in irregular terrorists into Kashmir in 1947/48 ? Rest of the world believes it was Jinnah, who personally authorized that pillage after the British commander of Pakistani army refused to launch attack on Kashmir

Rest of the world is not India...lol...stop dreaming on Indian army's propaganda. It was Tribals from FATA who went there on the call of Kashmiris who were being butchered & terrorized by dogra thugs. They went there on their own & fought along side Kashmiris & Gilgit Baltistanis. Pakistani troops only enter Kashmir to secure the liberated lands from Indians who tried to snatch back the lands from Gilgit Scouts, Kashmiris & Tribals of FATA. The nehroo is responsible because even after assuring & promising he didn't give Kashmiris right of self determination & all the Kashmiris killed by Indian 7 lakh terrorizers are because of nehroo.
 
Nope you get it completely wrong...i wrote in simple grade first English that i' am not you papa so don't call me by the name that you have reserved already for your abba jee. Agar Angrezi mein samajh nahi aaye tou phir batana mein Urdu mein samjha dunga.
No I am not your abba kiddo . Clown is your abba :rofl::rofl::rofl:
Well the US has not even
:lol::lol: Only maskins like you pakistani living on left over of US can wetdream like that.
Well for our US govt he is an insignificant useless person. He is just banned from entering the US due to his terrorism against Muslims.
Really thick coming out of insignificant Pakistani clowns who even hide their nationality in foreign country and try to pass as Indian.
Well for our US govt he is an
insignificant useless person.
He is just banned from
entering the US due to his
terrorism against Muslims.
Really thick coming out of insignificant Pakistani clowns who even hide their nationality in foreign country and try to pass as Indian.

Stop living in denial. Ask the
people of these countries.
Even Bangladeshis are now
understanding what really
happened.

Soooo.. when is BD becoming East Pakistan again ?? :cheesy:
 
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Just like you ranting nonsense about madrassa...i return the same medicine to you. mandira brain wash kids & most Indians are living proof of that.



lol at least you backed from your 93000+ figure.:lol: Kindly explain how did you get 54000 Army soldiers figure.



His actions made people call him that. If he is so clean he should surrender himself to American or International courts.



I' am pretty sure there are many people who qualify to be a PM for India but Indians jumping for a terrorist modhi is just surprising.



Kindly STFU...when you got nothing to post you start with personal attacks. Next time i'll hit the report button.



Yes i' am a Proud Pakistani & Proud American. You are no one to tell me what should i first be. My religion is my personal belief & it have nothing to do with my countries.
First of all mandir is like a masjid, not madarassa.
And I did not back down from my claim of 93k+, I just told you the distribution of those 93k.
You can google for the same.

I will still call your country a terrorist country, that does not make it one.

You are completely free to hit the report button, as I know how much biased the mods are, I don't care if I get banned while clearing and cleaning your filthy minds.

Is mushy going for trial in US federal court? You are so dumb with your logic, and your arguement is invalid.
 
Modi will focus on Nation building. Development, Stability, Science, Technology, and infrastructure will be his main focus. Good governanace and visible governance will be his agenda.

Pak Chn relations will remain the same or will improve, but wont worsen.

Having said that, any misadventures by Pak and China or any other country will be dealt with great force.

He has a target of 2 terms as the PM. Let us see.
 
lol why posting like dumb? Try to understand the post & then reply. What i said was that all political made cases. Just revenge of Cheap Justice & Nawaz Shareef...both were kicked out by Musharraf so they are now doing their politics.

So in your view, an internet poster should have more credibility than the chief Justice and Prime minister of Pakistan. I dont know what this says about Pakistan...


Strange that still he is not banned anywhere in the world...but it is strange only for your types because except your types no one see him like that.

What's worse than being banned to participate in the democratic elections in one's own country and being imprisoned as a traitor..?



Rest of the world is not India...lol...stop dreaming on Indian army's propaganda. It was Tribals from FATA who went there on the call of Kashmiris who were being butchered & terrorized by dogra thugs. They went there on their own & fought along side Kashmiris & Gilgit Baltistanis. Pakistani troops only enter Kashmir to secure the liberated lands from Indians who tried to snatch back the lands from Gilgit Scouts, Kashmiris & Tribals of FATA. The nehroo is responsible because even after assuring & promising he didn't give Kashmiris right of self determination & all the Kashmiris killed by Indian 7 lakh terrorizers are because of nehroo.

As I said, read about this from neutral sources and not Pakistani books.
 
First of all mandir is like a masjid, not madarassa.

We don't give a h00t on what Mandir actually is. When ever any Indian will use the term of "Madrassa educated", i will respond as "Mandira educated".

And I did not back down from my claim of 93k+, I just told you the distribution of those 93k.
You can google for the same.

You were claiming that 93k were Pakistani Army troops...but then in the next post you change that figure to 53k which is still way above the real figure of 40-42k.

I will still call your country a terrorist country, that does not make it one.

For that we can call your country a Rape Republic.


You are completely free to hit the report button, as I know how much biased the mods are, I don't care if I get banned while clearing and cleaning your filthy minds.

huh...first try to clean your brain which is filled with Indian army propaganda & other filth.

Is mushy going for trial in US federal court? You are so dumb with your logic, and your arguement is invalid.

Thats why i said first search for facts then open your stinky mouth. Musharraf is very happy & ready to take his trial in US courts but then it will be a lost case for some people who are doing politics against him. Also kindly refrain from posting off topics...Musharraf is not the subject of discussion here but modhi the old terrorist is.
 

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