Will Pakistan and Bangladesh bury the hatchet?

[AlKardai]

The newspaper report says Pakistan has only $3 billion of FE reserves. So, what are you going to do to save the country that we fought away?

You didn't fight shit, dumbass, even when you had the far superior numerical advantage, you still had to rely on the gangus for help

 

[bluesky]

You didn't fight shit, dumbass, even when you had the far superior numerical advantage, you still had to rely on the gangus for help

IA troops were ready to forgive your bullying of our people but not our Muktis. So, heroic PA troops chose to surrender to the IA troops. After all, Urdu-Hindi Bhai Bhai. Are you not ashamed of it?

Now, tell us which war since 1947 your brave military won. Remember, our East Bengal Regiment troops saved your Lahore in 1965 just by deed of bravery.

EBR troops received more awards than any other Punjabi or Pathan Regiments in the 1965 war. And here you are taunting us because you are taller than us. Now, ask the Vietnamese how they could fight back tall Americans.

Your military should be trained in Dhaka/ Chittagong to grow bravery.

 

[Black_cats]

IA troops were ready to forgive your bullying of our people but not our Muktis. So, heroic PA troops chose to surrender to the IA troops. After all, Urdu-Hindi Bhai Bhai. Are you not ashamed of it?

Now, tell us which war since 1947 your brave military won. Remember, our East Bengal Regiment troops saved your Lahore in 1965 just by deed of bravery.

EBR troops received more awards than any other Punjabi or Pathan Regiments in the 1965 war. And here you are taunting us because you are taller than us. Now, ask the Vietnamese how they could fight back tall Americans.

Your military should be trained in Dhaka/ Chittagong to grow bravery.

Pakistanis are no longer much taller than Bangladeshis. Urban young population of Bangladesh has average 5’7 height now or more not much different than Pakistanis. Just for example look at the Bangladesh cricket team player now compared to the one in 1990s. I am close to 6’ and have hardly seen Pakistanis taller than me except few. Pakistanis have lost 4” height during the last 50 years where Bangladeshis have gained height mainly due to change of food habit and lifestyle. I won’t be surprised if Bangladeshis get more height then Pakistanis within the next few decades.

Look how tall South Korean, Japanese and Chinese are right now. Once upon a time they used to be treated as the shortest people on earth.

Height of Pakistanis has fallen 4 inches over 50 years, say experts​

Height of Pakistanis has fallen 4 inches over 50 years, say experts | The Express Tribune

Cousin marriages, malnutrition have led to height decrease, reveals Professor Dr Iqrar Ahmad Khan.

tribune.com.pk

This one is also an interesting article to read:

Experts were pumped when they realized why Bangladeshi kids started growing taller.

www.upworthy.com

Experts were pumped when they realized why Bangladeshi kids started growing taller.​

Morgan Shoaff
08.04.16

How can you measure progress in a developing country? In Bangladesh, you can do it with a yardstick.​

Image via Akram Ali/CARE.
Over the past 12 years, something incredible happened in Bangladesh: The kids grew taller than usual.

It's a discovery that, at first, left many development and nutrition experts scratching their heads. Just how — in parts of a country that lead the world in malnutrition and where global grain shortages are rampant — are children growing taller than usual?
When the experts fit the pieces all together, the results were amazing.

Bangladesh's kids grew taller because the country focused on its women.​

 

[kingQamaR]

They basically don’t have anything now. They got some loan money from Saudi, UAE, China to show it on reserve to get the loan from IMF. China just gave 2 billion more loan though they asked few days back to repay the 1.5 billion usd loan payment.

Why don’t you angry Bangladeshis mind your own business , and get on with your life’s hasn’t it not occurred to you by now if Pakistanis really wanted to talk with your country they would have done so . Pakistanis are just not interested in this while on this topic Pakistan only engages india sadly of Kashmiri problem. Otherwise they too would be in the dustbin or on ignore

 

[suresh1773]

Bangladeshi people have nothing in common with 93% Indians who are not Bengali. Not language, culture, tradition, foods, dress habits, art, literature, nothing. Rest of the 7% Indians who are Indian Bengali are also very different than us. They are predominantly Hindu while we are Muslims. Religion is obviously a big factor which influences a lot of cultural practices, ideology and identity. In the last 75 years, Bangladesh and West Bengal diverged a lot. They try to present themselves more Indian than Hindiwala from north India, while Bangladeshis cherish independence and sovereignty above anything else. Where is the common ground here? A Hindustani, Gujarati, Marathi or Tamil from India is no less alien for us than a Punjabi, Sindhi, Pashtun and Baloch from Pakistan. So, do not invent imaginary similarities between Bangladesh and India.

Yr way of expressing is something funny.
First U write we have nothing in common with 93% Indians, then in the next line, U write, the remaining 7% Indian Bengalis are different. Shot and sweet would be, We have nothing in common with Indians, Now this is OK. While in UK, I have read many Bangladeshi Muslims hiding their identity.

Losing their religion: The hidden crisis of faith among Britain’s young Muslims

Ex-Muslims who dare to speak out are often cut off by their families and fear for their lives. A brave few tell us their stories

www.theguardian.com

https://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/world/bangladeshs-crisis-of-identity

 

[bluesky]

Bangladeshi people have nothing in common with 93% Indians who are not Bengali. Not language, culture, tradition, foods, dress habits, art, literature, nothing. Rest of the 7% Indians who are Indian Bengali are also very different than us. They are predominantly Hindu while we are Muslims. Religion is obviously a big factor which influences a lot of cultural practices, ideology and identity. In the last 75 years, Bangladesh and West Bengal diverged a lot. They try to present themselves more Indian than Hindiwala from north India, while Bangladeshis cherish independence and sovereignty above anything else. Where is the common ground here? A Hindustani, Gujarati, Marathi or Tamil from India is no less alien for us than a Punjabi, Sindhi, Pashtun and Baloch from Pakistan. So, do not invent imaginary similarities between Bangladesh and India.

Yours is a very exclusive type of mind. You talk as if Bengali or Bengali-speaking people came to this land by deed of some magical power and were sent from the sky on boats.

Very strange way of seclusion idea. But you and a few BAL brats are alone with this kind of thinking. Even the family of Mujib migrated from Iraq. I will not say anymore because your peanut-size brain is as usual incapable to retain massive information on history.

It is OK if you are unable to memorize history but do not distort it as you like because you have descended from a Sudra family. Your family history has nothing to do with the Muslim history of Bengal in conjugation with the history of north India (including Pakistan) and Afghanistan.

 

[Homo Sapiens]

Very strange way of seclusion idea. But you and a few BAL brats are alone with this kind of thinking. Even the family of Mujib migrated from Iraq. I will not say anymore because your peanut-size brain is as usual incapable to retain massive information on history.

It is OK if you are unable to memorize history but do not distort it as you like because you have descended from a Sudra family. Your family history has nothing to do with the Muslim history of Bengal in conjugation with the history of north India (including Pakistan) and Afghanistan.

We Sudras are lucky to have Iraqi Brahman like you among us. Bangladesh is blessed.

 

[Homo Sapiens]

Pakistanis are no longer much taller than Bangladeshis. Urban young population of Bangladesh has average 5’7 height now or more not much different than Pakistanis. Just for example look at the Bangladesh cricket team player now compared to the one in 1990s. I am close to 6’ and have hardly seen Pakistanis taller than me except few. Pakistanis have lost 4” height during the last 50 years where Bangladeshis have gained height mainly due to change of food habit and lifestyle. I won’t be surprised if Bangladeshis get more height then Pakistanis within the next few decades.

Look how tall South Korean, Japanese and Chinese are right now. Once upon a time they used to be treated as the shortest people on earth.

Height of Pakistanis has fallen 4 inches over 50 years, say experts​

Height of Pakistanis has fallen 4 inches over 50 years, say experts | The Express Tribune

Cousin marriages, malnutrition have led to height decrease, reveals Professor Dr Iqrar Ahmad Khan.

tribune.com.pk

This one is also an interesting article to read:

Experts were pumped when they realized why Bangladeshi kids started growing taller.

www.upworthy.com

Experts were pumped when they realized why Bangladeshi kids started growing taller.​

Morgan Shoaff
08.04.16

How can you measure progress in a developing country? In Bangladesh, you can do it with a yardstick.​

Image via Akram Ali/CARE.
Over the past 12 years, something incredible happened in Bangladesh: The kids grew taller than usual.

It's a discovery that, at first, left many development and nutrition experts scratching their heads. Just how — in parts of a country that lead the world in malnutrition and where global grain shortages are rampant — are children growing taller than usual?
When the experts fit the pieces all together, the results were amazing.

Bangladesh's kids grew taller because the country focused on its women.​

One important reason why Pakistanis are taller than Bangladeshis is the British colonial policy. British rules in Punjab was less than 100 years and during that period they did not exploit Punjab much instead focused on it's development. During British period, colonial govt. invested heavily on Punjab's agriculture (then KP was part of Punjab). Pakistan has the world's largest irrigation canal network, and most of it was built by the British. They did it mostly to the benefit of retired British Indian soldiers. So, Punjab had a prosperous agricultural rural economy and it was a food surplus region and still is, both In India and Pakistan. Undivided Punjab was the only region in the Sub Continent that never suffered any famine during and after the British period. Even today, Indian Punjab has the lowest malnutrition rate among Indian states.

While British Bengal was the opposite, British exploitation was most severe and lengthy in Bengal. It suffered big famines during British period multiple times. The 1770 mega famine killed at least 10 million in Bengal or one-third of total population at that time which was mostly the result of massive East India company plunder and mismanagement. Then famine visited at regular intervals and the last massive famine was in 1943. Even independent Bangladesh suffered famine in 1974. Famine has a multi-generational effect established by extensive study in the Netherlands which suffered famine in 1944-1945, the so-called 'hunger winter'. Dutch children born during and immediately after the hunger winter was smaller and they became smaller adult than the people born before and after that hunger winter.

Since the British period, Bengal was a food deficit province with periodic famine, but this was not always the case, We know from the journal of Portuguese travelers that, during 16th Century people in Bengal were tall and well-built.

 

[PradoTLC]

Will Pakistan and Bangladesh bury the hatchet?​

by Editor

February 20, 2023
Reading Time: 6 mins read
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By P.K.Balachandran/Ceylon Today
Colombo, February 20:

On the sidelines of Sri Lanka’s 74 th. Independence Day celebrations in Colombo earlier this month, Pakistan’s State Minister of Foreign Affairs, Hina Rabbani Khar, sought a bilateral meeting with the Bangladesh Foreign Minister A.K. Abdul Momen. As per established practice, the request was granted.

While the media readout on the discussions merely said that the two leaders discussed ways to improve ties, the Indian news agency ANI reported that Momen reiterated his government’s consistent position that normalization could not take place until Pakistan officially and unconditionally apologized for the atrocities committed by its army in the months preceding Bangladesh’s birth in December 1971. Though the number of civilians killed in the seven-month liberation war is disputed, it was humongous by all accounts.

Pakistan’s response to the demand for a formal apology, since it was first made during Prime Minister Sheikh Hasina’s first term in 1996, has been that its leaders had more than once “regretted” the happenings. But in Bangladesh’s view, these did not amount to an official apology or acceptance of guilt.

Against this, Pakistan’s view has been that the two countries should not be prisoners of the past. But this does not cut ice with Bangladesh Prime Minister Sheikh Hasina and the pro-liberation support base of her party, the Awami League (AL). The AL had spearheaded the liberation movement against Pakistan under the leadership of Sheikh Mujibur Rahman, Hasina’s father.

However, it is not as if attempts have never been made for a rapprochement. But these efforts eventually failed. That was so even when the rulers in Dhaka were well- disposed towards Pakistan, like Gen. Ziaur Rahman, Gen.H. M. Ershad and Khaleda Zia. In fact, Sheikh Mujib himself had reached out to Pakistan in 1973-74, a couple of years before he was assassinated by pro-Pakistan junior army officers.

Musharraf with Khaleda Zia

The initial euphoria over the liberation of Bangladesh with the help of the Indian army wore out by 1973. Bangladesh was facing severe economic problems and Mujib’s dictatorial rule. Mujib was getting unpopular.

Thinking that his close links with liberator India had become a liability, he distanced himself from it, shed his government’s secular claims, and asserted Bangladesh’s Islamic identity. He joined the Organization of Islamic Cooperation (OIC) in February 1974 and in June 1974 got Pakistan Prime Minister Z.A. Bhutto to pay a state visit.

At the tripartite talks held between India, Pakistan and Bangladesh in April 1974 to end the 1971 conflict, Mujib did not raise the issue of an official apology from Pakistan, according to Moonis Ahmar, author of Pakistan-Bangladesh relations – Prospects and Way Forward. Ahmar notes that Mujib even granted amnesty to those who collaborated with the Pakistan Army.

After Mujib was assassinated by a group of pro-Pakistan army officers in August 1975, the successor regimes of Gen. Ziaur Rahman, Gen.H.M.Ershad and Khaleda Zia carried forward the policy of Islamization and mending ties with Pakistan. Ziaur Rahman journeyed to Pakistan and improved trade relations. In 1977, Pakistan was Bangladesh’s second-largest trading partner after the US.

Presidents Zia and Ershad and Prime Minister Khaleda Zia were using Pakistan as a bulwark against India. The trio had serious issues with India over river waters sharing, the definition of the border and the shelter given to anti-Indian terror groups in Bangladesh.

However, it did not take long for these regimes to become unpopular on grounds of non-performance and misrule. But their strategy of securing legitimacy by playing the Islamic and anti-Indian/pro-Pakistan cards failed. These neither delivered the goods domestically nor to a detente with Pakistan.

Even the pro-Pakistan Bangladesh regimes wanted the return of Bangladesh’s assets in the possession of Pakistan (estimated at US$ 4.5 billion) and the repatriation of the 230,000 Biharis who had sided with the Pakistani army during the liberation war. But Pakistan demanded that the pre-war liabilities be shared. These issues were raised by Khaleda when the Pakistani military ruler Gen.Pervez Musharraf visited Dhaka in 2002.

Though not in power, the pro-liberation and anti-Pakistan constituency in Bangladesh was substantial. It was revitalized when Mujib’s doughty daughter, Sheikh Hasina, returned from exile in India in 1981. This was a watershed in the history of Bangladesh-Pakistan relations because when she came to power for the first time in 1996, she demanded an unconditional and official apology from Pakistan for the atrocities of 1971. In 2003 she executed Jamaat-e-Islami activists on charges of collaboration in Pakistan’s war crimes in 1971. The Pakistani protest over the executions only widened the gap.

While Bangladesh is unquestionably an Islamic State, it is difficult for any Bangladeshi political party to rely only on the Islamic card to have any special ties with Islamic Pakistan. Other factors play and have played key roles in shaping bilateral relations. Since 2009, Bangladeshi parties other than the Awami League, have been existing only on the margins. Therefore, the Awami League’s view of the liberation movement, the war and Pakistani war crimes, is the dominant narrative in Bangladesh.

Given the economic boom Bangladesh has been experiencing in the last decade, and its wide-ranging social achievements, Dhaka can now afford to be choosy in selecting its friends. Although Bangladesh’s growth rate is expected to come down from 7% to 5.5% in 2023 and it has had to go for an IMF loan of US4 4.7 billion, the country has been doing better than Pakistan across the board.

Hina Rabbani Khar with Sheikh Hasina
Writing in Business Recorder in December 2022, Bilal Hussain quotes the World Bank to say that Bangladesh’s GDP had increased from US$ 8.75 billion in 1971 to US$ 416 billion in 2021. On the other hand, Pakistan’s GDP stood at US$ 346 billion in 2021 after being ahead with US$ 10.67 billion in 1971. Bangladesh’s per capita income was US$ 2,503 – over 60% higher than Pakistan’s US$ 1,538. Its foreign exchange reserves stood at US$ 30 billion — roughly four months of import cover.

Pakistan’s reserves stand at US$ 6.7 billion — less than 1.5 months of import cover, Hussain points out.

Life expectancy in Bangladesh is 73 years against Pakistan’s 67. In Bangladesh, 96% of people have access to electricity while in Pakistan that number is 75%.

Pakistan cannot match India as a development partner for Bangladesh because India is also leapfrogging. Bangladesh and India are inter-twined in multifarious ways since Hasina came to power in 2009. While it cannot be denied that India and Bangladesh have issues between them such as river waters-sharing and slow execution of projects, and there is a vocal anti-Indian lobby in Bangladesh, Dhaka would rather have good relations with a growing India than abandon it for Pakistan which has little to offer.

India was Bangladesh’s second-largest trade partner in 2022. Bilateral trade increased to US$ 18.2 billion in 2022 as against US$10.8 billion in 2021. In contrast, Pakistan’s exports to Bangladesh were US$ 583.44 million in 2020 and its imports from Bangladesh were US 61.94 million in 2020.

While the Hasina regime will continue to insist on Pakistan’s rendering an official apology for the events of 1971, Pakistan will not oblige.

Any chance of an apology disappeared when the retiring Pakistani army chief Gen. Qamar Javed Bajwa told an invited audience in November 2022, that the army could not be blamed for the events of 1971 and that criticism of it had been “indecent” and “intolerable”. Given the dominant position of the army in Pakistan, its politicians dare not let it down by apologizing publicly.

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what for?..

don't you have 3M Bengalis to morn that Pak Army wacked?

 

[Steppe Wolff]

. I am close to 6’ and have hardly seen Pakistanis taller than me except few.

I am 6'2 and I don't feel that tall especially when I am in my University in Lahore. You clearly haven't met many Pakistanis.

 

[Tom-tom]

what for?..

don't you have 3M Bengalis to morn that Pak Army wacked?

I am around 5'7- 5'8 and I don't wanna really short to a 6 ft guy. May be coz kala ku*** s like me have the nastiest bite. Lol . Also some of us can really roll up our sleeves and fight.



I just had to insert myself here.

 

[hussain0216]

One important reason why Pakistanis are taller than Bangladeshis is the British colonial policy. British rules in Punjab was less than 100 years and during that period they did not exploit Punjab much instead focused on it's development. During British period, colonial govt. invested heavily on Punjab's agriculture (then KP was part of Punjab). Pakistan has the world's largest irrigation canal network, and most of it was built by the British. They did it mostly to the benefit of retired British Indian soldiers. So, Punjab had a prosperous agricultural rural economy and it was a food surplus region and still is, both In India and Pakistan. Undivided Punjab was the only region in the Sub Continent that never suffered any famine during and after the British period. Even today, Indian Punjab has the lowest malnutrition rate among Indian states.

While British Bengal was the opposite, British exploitation was most severe and lengthy in Bengal. It suffered big famines during British period multiple times. The 1770 mega famine killed at least 10 million in Bengal or one-third of total population at that time which was mostly the result of massive East India company plunder and mismanagement. Then famine visited at regular intervals and the last massive famine was in 1943. Even independent Bangladesh suffered famine in 1974. Famine has a multi-generational effect established by extensive study in the Netherlands which suffered famine in 1944-1945, the so-called 'hunger winter'. Dutch children born during and immediately after the hunger winter was smaller and they became smaller adult than the people born before and after that hunger winter.

Since the British period, Bengal was a food deficit province with periodic famine, but this was not always the case, We know from the journal of Portuguese travelers that, during 16th Century people in Bengal were tall and well-built.

It's genetics, Bengali are kala, skinny and short

We are here in the UK, no food difference and you can see the difference in build and height

 

[PradoTLC]

Also some of us can really roll up our sleeves and fight.

don't kid your self... malu bani... was at best a nuisance force good only for raping and murdering west Pakistani civil servant families. By Dec 1971 the surgency was effectively subdued

Indians with their 200+ planes, bulk of their navy and 90K soldiers did the job...

 

[Khan_21]

Also most bengalis dont realize bengali is an ethnicity Pakistani is not. We have alot of different diversity and ethnic composition. Pashtuns/Baloch will have the highest heights followed by Punjabis.

But on average PK guy would be taller than a bengali.

 

[ThunderCat]

It's genetics, Bengali are kala, skinny and short

We are here in the UK, no food difference and you can see the difference in build and height

Hmmm....don't know about this one. Bengalis can be built. There's big and small ones. I guess...